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Saturday, September 09, 2023

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced on Friday a new public health order that outlines immediate actions aimed at quickly reducing gun violence and illegal drug use in Albuquerque and Bernalillo County. The recent shooting deaths of a thirteen-year-old girl on July 28, a five-year-old girl on August 14, and an eleven-year-old boy on September 6, as well as two mass shootings this year spurred the governor to declare gun violence a public health emergency on Thursday. Today's public health order includes directives to curb the gun violence and drug abuse that the Governor has declared to be public health emergencies.

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compelled to act because of recent shootings, including the death of an 11-year-old boy outside a minor league baseball stadium this week
So just what are we expected to do now when we disagree with an umpire's call?

#1 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-09 09:16 AM | Reply

Robotson is a complete dipsh#t.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-09 10:17 AM | Reply

Yeah OK I'm a -------. That's good. But Democrats no longer even hide the fact they are the anti freedom, anti Constitution, tyrant party that uses any trick in the books to take away your God given rights. They want to own you and they want your freedoms. They will play up or create anything, even crime or a pandemic to control society. Pray for yourself and others before it is too late.

#3 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-09 11:58 AM | Reply

^^^ +10 pts to Robson.

#4 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2023-09-09 12:13 PM | Reply

#3

Trump sends armed thugs to steal an election and Dems don't believe in the Constitution?

The delusions are strong in this one.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2023-09-09 12:14 PM | Reply

"But Democrats no longer even hide the fact they are the anti freedom"

There's no number of dead 11-year-old boys that will get Deplorables to think critically about the Second Amendment.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-09 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pray for yourself and others before it is too late.

#3 | POSTED BY ROBSON

My Tots and Pears are for you and your fellow maga maroons. You seem to be about to go postal any second.

Anyway Bozo says that if you don't like how a states tries manage its own state then you should stfu and mind your bizness and don't move there.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 01:04 PM | Reply

"There's no number of dead 11-year-old boys that will get Deplorables to think critically about the Second Amendment."

It doesn't require much critical thought. None of the amendments are that complex.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

What part of this statement is so ambiguous as to require intense intellectual dissection?

It seems pretty clear to me what the intent of 2A is. And if it has outlived its usefulness, the constitution provides mechanisms to change it.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 01:13 PM | Reply

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"What part of this statement is so ambiguous as to require intense intellectual dissection?"

The "well regulated" part.

Hard to regulate when you can't even do an inventory.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-09 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#3 ... Democrats no longer even hide the fact they are the anti freedom, anti Constitution, tyrant party ...

Which party held the violent insurrection attempt on Jan 6, trying to overturn the results of a valid election?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yer kinda coming across like an hysterical ninny here, Robo.
Big difference between public carry and banning guns.

#11 | Posted by morris at 2023-09-09 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So the new rule is keep them at home or in your trunk unless you need them?

Sounds fair.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-09 02:24 PM | Reply

"Hard to regulate when you can't even do an inventory."

Why is an inventory even necessary when "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Is there something in the constitution that directs an inventory of armaments?

I don't have a slobbering love affair with 2A. But it is in the BoR, so it can't be ignored. It is the role of government to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

Don't you agree?

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 02:38 PM | Reply

"It seems pretty clear to me what the intent of 2A is. "

The 2nd amendment is not a suicide pact.

When I was in a "well regulated militia" my weapons were kept in an armory.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When this Dem Gov takes away your right of self defense as a law abiding non criminal citizen, and has defunded police, who is going to provide protection from criminals that Democrats allow to run free and vioent? You think criminals that carry and shoot kids and others are worried about her new illegal bans on firearms. If they were law abiding this would not be an issue.

#15 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-09 02:42 PM | Reply

The earp brothers were pro-gun control.

choke on that robson.

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-09 02:46 PM | Reply

Declaring a health emergency to maximize unilateral authority.

Sounds authoritarian to me.

COVID was an authoritarian wet dream, they wanna keep it going I guess.

I feel for the Govs issue and understand the concern. But were any of the recent gun violence perpetrators carrying the gun legally to begin with?

If not, how does this halting of constitutional rights help?

Snoofy seems to complain about 2A but really doesn't address this issue.

I am for gun restrictions under age of 25. Beyond that age the shooters tend to be low.

This also goes back to Hunter Biden issue if you aren't going to enforce the law on everyone that breaks it, what good is the law?

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-09-09 02:46 PM | Reply

14

You also had training several times a year and were expert as part of the regular military.

Of course, militias are illegal in every state... technically anyway.

But hey, if Republicans didn't have fake issues like guns, abortion, and the gheys... they might have to talk about real issues.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2023-09-09 03:01 PM | Reply

uses any trick in the books to take away your God given rights.

The only thing God gave you was life.

Since guns take that away.

You're advocating for a gun ban.

You and the Gov of New Mexico have a lot more in common than you knew.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-09 03:06 PM | Reply

"When I was in a "well regulated militia" my weapons were kept in an armory."

You weren't part of a 'well-regulated militia.' You were part of the armed forces, which falls under a different statute.

In any case, what does the language "the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed" mean to you? That it can be infringed? If so, can all constitutional rights be infringed?

And if that's the case, is there really any point in having a constitution?

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 03:08 PM | Reply

Declaring a health emergency to maximize unilateral authority.

Guns are a health emergency as they are being used to kill people across this country.

Mostly due to Rightwing extremism.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-09 03:11 PM | Reply

You weren't part of a 'well-regulated militia.' You were part of the armed forces,

The armed forces aren't well regulated?

Is that how you've managed to remain in them?

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-09 03:12 PM | Reply

"You also had training several times a year and were expert as part of the regular military."

My two cents...

Several countries have policies that, IMM, would comply with 2A. Sweden and Switzerland both have or had programs under which civilians were issued weapons and ammunition in the event the country was attacked. In return they were obligated to attend periodic military training.

The guns, what you would likely refer to as assault rifles, where there's to keep. I think maybe Switzerland made them pay for the gun...I don't totally recall. But bottom line-if you look at the language in 2A, there is nothing I see that would conflict with what the policies of the Swiss or the Swedish Home Guard.

And...FWIW, the Home Guard units in Europe are going to devastate the commies if the commies decide to push west.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 03:16 PM | Reply

where there's to keep.

"were theirs to keep."

Home Guard units in Europe are going to devastate the commies

It's easy to devastate imaginary opponents.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-09 03:24 PM | Reply

"You weren't part of a 'well-regulated militia.' You were part of the armed forces, which falls under a different statute."

Please go ahead.

Name one "well regulated militia" in America.

The only ones I know about are federally regulated.

The National Guard and the armed forces.

But you may be aware of some civilian ones. Let us know what you find.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 03:28 PM | Reply

"Home Guard units in Europe are going to devastate the commies"

Finland is indeed going to beat the tar out of Russia.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-09 03:28 PM | Reply

"It's easy to devastate imaginary opponents."

Commies aren't imaginary...you're right here.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 03:32 PM | Reply

"Name one "well regulated militia" in America."

Ugh.

I wish I were smarter on US History, but I'm not that good.

But it wouldn't be hard if you give me a couple of days. I could find out which units George Washington commanded. Maybe dig in a bit more.

It's just not something I can provide off the top of my head.

Sorry.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 03:35 PM | Reply

In any case, what does the language "the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed" mean to you?

I can tell you what it does NOT mean.

It does NOT mean we have to allow anarchy in the streets and our children to be slaughtered like cattle in their schools either. That's for sure. Pretty sure that was NOT the intention.

So do criminals have a right to a gun?

Felons? Drug users? Joe Biden?

Do children?

So how is it that their rights to bear arms are being "infringed" then?

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wish I were smarter
#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I bet.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-09 03:38 PM | Reply

It's just not something I can provide off the top of my head.

Sorry.

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

lol

Because they don't exist?

Colonial militias don't count. I am talking about here and now. Not 250 years ago.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Finland is indeed going to beat the tar out of Russia.

#26 | POSTED BY TOR

I hear Romania is pretty pissed too. Pooty Pants better watch out!

Romania might declare war on Russia ... again!

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 03:43 PM | Reply

"Felons? Drug users? Joe Biden?"

Lol. That should have been Hunter Biden as I am sure Joe doesn't need a gun. But he could have one if he wanted. I am sure he couldn't be "infringed". There are plenty all around him.

I would have my own security force too if I could afford one. Guns are a pain in the butt the carry around all the time.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-09 03:48 PM | Reply

"Colonial militias don't count. I am talking about here and now. Not 250 years ago."

No, actually you're talking about 250 years ago. When the document was written.

If the constitution needs to change, there is a mechanism for that change. But the minute you decide that you're going to ignore the constitution, you become an enemy of the state. And EVERY appointed and elected official takes an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies. Foreign AND domestic. Certainly Trump. Likely Bernie. Who knows who else. Maybe you.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-09 03:50 PM | Reply

What is rationale for policy inconsistencies in Democrat jurisdictions such as failing to prosecute all crimes in which firearms are used. Then 2 failure to prosecute all violent crimes and perps to the hilt and incarcerate more for repeat offenders. Then 3 allowing open borders where unvetted foreign nationals enter at will aided and abetted by drug cartels.

All of this only increases crime and risk. They promote this while telling citizens that have done their duty lawfully.and served their country and paid taxes without issue are told they must give up their right. It is totally inconsistent with convincing legal masses to give up self protection

#35 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-09 03:50 PM | Reply

"I hear Romania is pretty pissed too. Pooty Pants better watch out!
Romania might declare war on Russia ... again!"

Poland has been ready to conquer Russia since Putin had Georgia invaded.

Any more?

#36 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-09 03:53 PM | Reply

@#34 ... And EVERY appointed and elected official takes an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies. Foreign AND domestic. ...

But some decide not to, in spite of their taking the oath. Instead choosing to express fealty to a person.


#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 04:19 PM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2023-09-09 03:28 PM | FLAG:

List of militia organizations in the United States

The Second Amendment isn't to ensure the people on this list have guns and are well regulated. It's to ensure you can, a private citizen, can shoot these ass clowns when they get too uppity.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-09 04:24 PM | Reply

Say there was, oh I don't know, a fascist takeover of the United States, maybe a bunch of white nationalists led by a Miami cuban, in support of an orange real estate tycoon and part time reality tv show host, backed by the military took over the United States.

You, Donner, a former marine that swore to defend and protect the Constitution, what are you going to fight them with? Votes they won't count?

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-09 04:29 PM | Reply

It seems pretty clear to me what the intent of 2A is. And if it has outlived its usefulness, the constitution provides mechanisms to change it.

#8 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Courts have ruled no right is absolute.

Your view is the kind of childish black and white nonsense that makes 2A nuts freak out over TyRaNnY every time a bump stick is mentioned or an arm brace.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-09 05:37 PM | Reply

#20 it's already "infringed."

The question boils down to how much infringement we, as a society, are comfortable with.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-09 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Second Amendment isn't to ensure the people on this list have guns and are well regulated. It's to ensure you can, a private citizen, can shoot these ass clowns when they get too uppity.
#38 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

What kind of reasoning is that?
If it weren't for the Second Amendment there's be no Militia getting uppity to begin with.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-09 06:32 PM | Reply

"If the constitution needs to change, there is a mechanism for that change."

The Second Amendment hasn't changed.

But the way the Supreme Court construes it certainly has!

You don't ever talk about reality. Or how we got here. Only what might be, if we listen to people who aren't Deplorables.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-09 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is the role of government to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed.
Don't you agree?

#13 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's one role.
The government also have a role keeping people from being murdered.
When these two interests collide, which right should we give deference to:

The right to keep and bear arms, or
The right to not be killed by people exercising their right to keep and bear arms.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-09 06:43 PM | Reply

@#44 ... The government also have a role keeping people from being murdered. ...

As stated in the very beginning of the Constitution...

...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
...

... promote the general Welfare ...

Yeah, protecting people from gun violence is promoting the general Welfare of those people.

#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 07:00 PM | Reply

Proof has yet to be presented in the public sphere that Americans and gun nut Americans in particular give a ---- about children being shot to pieces by weapons of war.

In fact, the evidence seems to indicate that Americans are amused by such incidents.

One could even conclude that Americans find such easily avoidable tragedies to be hilarious.

Over 2 million Americans have died by guns during my lifetime.

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 08:28 PM | Reply

It is the role of government to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed.
Don't you agree?
#13 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Another way to put that is that you believe it is the governments primary responsibility to provide you with the gun violence porn you need to obtain an -------- (generally about 75% stiff) sufficient to reach ------.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 08:30 PM | Reply

Guns are an inherent power fantasy. A psychologist will tell you that that power fantasy originates from concepts (and insecurities) of virility. As an aside, there seems to be correlation between gun ownership and lower testosterone levels. To imagine a gun will be used against the State is beyond ridiculous but that fantasy is widespread to the point that even elected members of the government espouse it.

But, I'm sorry, oh you frustrated impotentaties, a better use for your money would be long visits with a psychiatrist.

That and viagra could probably save a lot lives.

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 08:35 PM | Reply

@#46 ... the evidence seems to indicate that Americans are amused by such incidents. ...

Got links?

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 08:40 PM | Reply

If the constitution needs to change, there is a mechanism for that change. But the minute you decide that you're going to ignore the constitution, you become an enemy of the state. And EVERY appointed and elected official takes an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies. Foreign AND domestic. Certainly Trump. Likely Bernie. Who knows who else. Maybe you.

#34 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Madbommer is right, nothing can be done. In the land of exceptionalism, nothing can be done. In the only modern country without paid maternal leave, nothing can be done. In the only modern country without public healthcare, nothing can be done. The lunatics control the asylum, every night we get to see stories of children gunned down in the street, literally torn limb from limb in classrooms, blow away in their playrooms. I, for one, welcome our ant overlords. Give us that tender sweet child meat. mmmmm dead todler flesh!

2 million ------- americans gunned down since I was born

and nothing can be done

half a billion guns in america

and nothing can be done

at least I can laugh at charles vacca

and nothing can be done

at least that little girl didn't get physical wounds

and nothing can be done

the mental scars, though, whew

and nothing can be done.

uvalde, sandy hook, parkland, columbine, Virginia tech

and nothing can be done

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 08:44 PM | Reply

@#46 ... the evidence seems to indicate that Americans are amused by such incidents. ...
Got links?
#49 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Well, Lamp, simple logic

consider the fact that 50,000 Americans die every year from gun violence

consider that 2 million Americans have died from gun violence since I was born

consider the regular school shootings.

consider in toto the horror our society faces from gun violence, the pain, the suffering, the mourning

now, consider, that nothing gets done, nothing.

NOW, We have horror, we have nothing getting done. Why? I posit that Americans are amused by the gun violence.

Harsh truth I know. But violence and death are entertaining (when they happen to the other guy)-look at like 90% of movies and 70% o tv shows-violence. Americans simply do not fully believe that "others" are truly real, so the violence is all good entertainment.

Oh they have some good posturing, they act concerned, they beat their chests, that is all part of the play.

but the fact of the matter nothing if ------- done.

A ------- Viet nam war of dead Americans every single year

and nothing gets done.

Read this carefully

A functioning society would not stand for this, period full stop.

America is not functioning, we are sick to our marrow. And part of that sickness is that we are entertained by the violence we see on the tv news, the depression we feel when children are gunned down in classrooms is addicting. Gun violence is a drug and America aint quitting it any day soon.

So, yeah, the evidence is pretty clear America enjoys it's gun violence.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 08:52 PM | Reply

@#51 ... Well, Lamp, simple logic ... [after reading a lot of hot air] ... So, yeah, the evidence is pretty clear ...

So... no links?


#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 09:06 PM | Reply

@#51 ... Well, Lamp, simple logic ... [after reading a lot of hot air] ... So, yeah, the evidence is pretty clear ...
So... no links?

#52 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You need to expand your perceptions Lamp.

or, perhaps, you could provide an explanation as to why Americans haven't done anything in the past 57 years since I was born to stop the gun violence?

2 million Americans

Now, please, do not blame republicans or gun nuts, the matter is too important. A Viet Nam war Every. Single. Year. The matter is too important for political games.

I posit that Americans do not really want to do anything about it. The psychology is sound. I get it, the implications are scary, but they fit the facts:

1. 50K per year dead
2. Nothing being done

Not all "entertainment" is joyful, entertainment can be painful or sad or filled with righteous anger! or depressing. These feelings can be addicting. ---- arguing with idiots is addicting-see this very website.

So, don't give me this ---- like there is no evidence that America isn't addicted to the tragedy of mourning gun violence, of arguing about gun violence, of righteous anger over gun violence

but one thing we don't do is solve the ------- problem. Scotland had one school shooting-problem was solved. New Zealand-Christchurch massacre-pass comprehensive gun control legislation.

America? Don't do ----.

So, no don't give me that ----.

America loves its violence.

America is sick in the head

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 09:37 PM | Reply

TLDR

Truth Hurts Lamp, Truth Hurts

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 09:37 PM | Reply

@#53 ... or, perhaps, you could provide an explanation ...

I asked a simple request, please provide links.

And, in response, I get a request for me to provide an explanation?

So, I will ask again, repeating my #49...

Got links?


#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 09:46 PM | Reply

Links to what? my conclusions? sorry you will have to bask in the glory of my irrefutable logic.

Unless you can either prove that 10's of thousands of Americans AREN'T dying from guns every year or that America is doing something about it.

Then, yeah, the conclusion is clearly America loves it some good dead children.

What is red and white and goes round and round and round?

A baby in a blender.

How do you make a dead baby float?

A glass of soda water and 2 scoops of baby.

What bounces up and down at 100mph?

A baby tied to the back of a truck.

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-09 09:51 PM | Reply

@#56 ... Links to what? my conclusions? sorry you will have to bask in the glory of my irrefutable logic. ...

So, you got nada to substantiate your comments., beside some manner of expected self-adulation.

Good to know.


thx.

#57 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-09 10:00 PM | Reply

Of course, militias are illegal in every state...

No, they're not.

And the word "regulated" in the context of the Constitution doesn't mean "Regulations promulgated by the Federal Government" as understood by your typical, -------- American Leftist in the 21st Century.

On topic?

Even the people who control the public statements from normally Communist, Authoritarian-minded little ------- like David Hogg and Ted Lieu have gotten off the bus for this one.

And wisely so.

This isn't really a fight you're equipped to win--and I suspect this silly ---- will be privately admonished by her Puppetmasters for her overenthusiasm.

#58 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2023-09-10 12:22 AM | Reply

David Hogg and Ted Lieu have gotten off the bus for this one

Thats because they aren't authoritarians, like the Lumpers on this board.

I see Gaslighter is playing his ole "got links game" to a sarcastic observation. -------- hilarious.

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-09-10 12:35 AM | Reply

@#58 ... And the word "regulated" in the context of the Constitution doesn't mean "Regulations promulgated by the Federal Government" as understood by your typical, -------- American Leftist in the 21st Century. ...

And your rationale behind that assertion is.... ?

#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-10 12:46 AM | Reply

Even the people who control the public statements from normally Communist, Authoritarian-minded

Duhhhhhh CoMmUnIzMs!!

Why do --------- always use words they don't understand?

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-10 01:31 AM | Reply

" Why is an inventory even necessary when "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""

Because of the part you left out.

Meanwhile, others argued "regulated" doesn't mean "with regulations", so you're fighting it out with comedy gold.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-10 02:18 AM | Reply

You wanna talk firearms, morons, and civil order? OK.
~ Virgil Earp, Morgan Earp, Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday

What they just said.
~ Tom McLaury, Frank McLaury, Billy Clanton, Ike Clanton (in absentia)

#63 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-10 07:32 AM | Reply

"America is sick in the head"

So...move somewhere else.

Restrictions on private ownership of firearms may be the one thing I don't like about Europe. But it's something that can be dealt with.

I don't think it's well known, but gun ownership in Europe is pretty common. The process for possessing guns is different, but I could bring all my US guns to Germany if I wanted to go through the trouble of getting the Waffenbesitzkarte.

Maybe now that I am a grown-up, I will.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-10 08:55 AM | Reply

"America is sick in the head"
So...move somewhere else.
{snip}

#64 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

and right on schedule a nut comes along to prove my point.

Hey, lamp, right here is your evidence that Americans actually, really don't care.

Instead of, IDK, GAF about children, whose tender flesh is brutalized by lead, we get "love it or leave it" rhetoric.

You think Mad gives a ----- about toddler blood running in the gutter or across classroom floors? Hardly.

Ownership of guns is far more important to him.

Because he is impotent.

The connection is clear.

The threat of gun control to his virility is too existential.

Taking his pistol away would be like putting saltpeter in his coffee.

No way, no how, no number of children sacrificed on the alter of the holy bullet would be too many for him to give up his -----.

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 09:15 AM | Reply

What part of this statement is so ambiguous...
#8 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Well, it does say "the people" and not, "a person".

It also says "a well regulated militia" and not "an armed individual".

And, of course let's not ignore that it says "well" regulated.

#66 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2023-09-10 09:15 AM | Reply

"Ownership of guns is far more important to him. Because he is impotent."

Impotence? Bitch, you're crazy.

In any case, it has nothing to do with my opinions and everything to do with the constitution.

BTW, if you're truly concerned about dead kids-and I suspect you aren't-why not start with banning cars? I would be much easier, as the right to keep and drive cars is not explicitly protected in the constitution.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-10 09:34 AM | Reply

Y'know, private gun ownership is illegal in Mexico. Have you thought about moving there Truthy?

Surely, it's much safer there than in the US.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-10 09:36 AM | Reply

"Ownership of guns is far more important to him. Because he is impotent."
Impotence? Bitch, you're crazy.
In any case, it has nothing to do with my opinions and everything to do with the constitution.
BTW, if you're truly concerned about dead kids-and I suspect you aren't-why not start with banning cars? I would be much easier, as the right to keep and drive cars is not explicitly protected in the constitution.

#67 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It seems I touched a nerve. Not surprising.

Excuses, excuses, excuses, anything to make sure no one touches your ----- device, right?

You are aware of the extensive and I mean EXTENSIVE and I mean constant and continuing efforts at making cars safer, right?

www.nejm.org

Look at that graph!

leading cause of death of children? guns

are you arguing that children having a right to life isn't in the constitution?

#69 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 09:48 AM | Reply

Y'know, private gun ownership is illegal in Mexico. Have you thought about moving there Truthy?
Surely, it's much safer there than in the US.

#68 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Love it or leave it, right madbummber?

Come on, you can tell truth, how excited do you get in your underpants when you read stories about Uvalde? Hard or MAXIMUM HARD?

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 09:50 AM | Reply

Underpants???

Seriously?

What are you? 80?

Pro tip: At least wait until noon to start drinking.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-10 10:02 AM | Reply

You've demonstrated yourself sensitive so I was trying to protect your feelings. Substitute panties if you prefer.

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 10:15 AM | Reply

- it has nothing to do with my opinions and everything to do with the constitution.

"A fraud on the American public."

That's how former Chief Justice Warren Burger described the idea that the Second Amendment gives an unfettered individual right to a gun. When he spoke these words to PBS in 1990, the rock-ribbed conservative appointed by Richard Nixon was expressing the longtime consensus of historians and judges across the political spectrum."

www.brennancenter.org

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2023-09-10 10:48 AM | Reply

What kind of reasoning is that?

#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-09 06:32 PM | REPLY

The historically accurate one. The people that came and stripped you of your firearms were alternating groups of Loyalist and Revolutionary militias, so the average citizen wouldn't hide in the woods and snipe them.

#74 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-10 11:38 AM | Reply

Same question to you Snoof:

Say there was, oh I don't know, a fascist takeover of the United States, maybe a bunch of white nationalists led by a Miami cuban, in support of an orange real estate tycoon and part time reality tv show host, backed by most of the military and most of the police took over the United States.

As a champion of democracy and liberalism, what are you going to fight them with? Votes they won't count?

#75 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-10 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2023-09-09 03:28 PM | FLAG:
List of militia organizations in the United States

The Second Amendment isn't to ensure the people on this list have guns and are well regulated. It's to ensure you can, a private citizen, can shoot these ass clowns when they get too uppity.

#38 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

From your link:

This is a list of active and armed militia organizations in the United States. While the two largest militias are the Oath Keepers and the 3 Percenters, there are numerous smaller groups.

I said list well regulated militias. Not well prosecuted seditionists.

#76 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-10 11:46 AM | Reply

"if you're truly concerned about dead kids-and I suspect you aren't-why not start with banning cars?"

Republican Math warning! Comparing results of rare uses v. ubiquitous use is ludicrous.

What happens more often: using a gun, or kids going to and from school? If they don't happen EQUALLY, yet you compare results as if they're used EQUALLY, the problem is in your mirror.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-10 11:51 AM | Reply

"The Second Amendment isn't to ensure the people on this list have guns and are well regulated. It's to ensure you can, a private citizen, can shoot these ass clowns when they get too uppity."

Steve Scalise used to think that as well.

Turns out he never thought others would consider HIM as the "tyranny".

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-10 11:53 AM | Reply

You, Donner, a former marine that swore to defend and protect the Constitution, what are you going to fight them with? Votes they won't count?

#39 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

As a former Marine I don't need a gun to fight with.

There are plenty of weapons I can use. If I need a gun there are plenty of them already in existence and I will just take one from someone wearing a red maga hat after I dispatch him/her.

But if the armed forces do back an insurrection there is probably not a lot any of us can do to stop it. Then if want to fight back we will have to become guerrilla fighters.

#79 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-10 11:55 AM | Reply

Fortunately in this case the Joint Chief and Intel leaders were actively opposed to Trump's Coup, and the P Boys were minutes from being put down by snipers in the Capitol Bldg.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2023-09-10 12:07 PM | Reply

"he word "regulated" in the context of the Constitution doesn't mean "Regulations promulgated by the Federal Government" as understood by your typical, -------- American Leftist in the 21st Century"

Are you merely suggesting states themselves make individual decisions? Or disagreeing with the usual definition of "regulate"?

If the latter, Federalist Papers #59-#61 are titled Concerning the Power of Congress to Regulate the Election of Members
avalon.law.yale.edu

Regulate/regulations appears ~10 times in #59 alone. (linked) And their meaning/understanding is quite clear, and quite current.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-10 12:13 PM | Reply

Say there was, oh I don't know, a fascist takeover of the United States, maybe a bunch of white nationalists led by a Miami cuban, in support of an orange real estate tycoon and part time reality tv show host, backed by most of the military and most of the police took over the United States.
As a champion of democracy and liberalism, what are you going to fight them with? Votes they won't count?
#75 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I'm not going to fight them with anything.
I'm going to count on the men and women who swore an Oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States to do my fighting for me.
All the Second Amendment does is make that fight harder, by allowing the insurgents to arm themselves.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 01:43 PM | Reply

"backed by most of the military and most of the police took over the United States."

What would you fight that with?
You also wouldn't fight, period.

So, again, the Second Amendment isn't even in play -- except by allowing some Fifth Columnists to be an outsized influence by Brownshirting with the Fascist police you just described.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 01:44 PM | Reply

Either the people will be fighting with the government, making their guns pointless or fighting against the government, making their guns useless.

But, hey, at least we get dead children out of it.

#84 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 02:14 PM | Reply

Dead children are acceptable.

It's dead fetuses that are abhorrent.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-10 02:28 PM | Reply

I'm not going to fight them with anything.

#82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 01:43 PM | FLAG:

Sums it up. No knowledge, no ability, and faith in the people that are the same ones that will put you on the wall for being librul.

#86 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-10 02:30 PM | Reply

oh wait, not a wall, it's helicopters now with unplanned descents if you see the memes.

#87 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-10 02:30 PM | Reply

and while you go out the door, they'll remind you that they're protecting the Constitution, and you are the bad guy.

#88 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-10 02:33 PM | Reply

The sheriff and Chief of Police have refused to enforce her demands. Just a lame duck you hear quacking.

#89 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 02:35 PM | Reply

-------------- lives him some gun shot children

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 02:51 PM | Reply

I'm not going to fight them with anything.
#82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Sums it up.
#86 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

The summary needs this too:
You're also not going to fight them.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:00 PM | Reply

-------------- lives him some gun shot children

#90 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-09-10 02:51 PM |

So, tell us Confucius, how does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep the criminals from plundering the city/county?

#92 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:01 PM | Reply

So, tell us Confucius, how does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep the criminals from plundering the city/county?
#92 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

So, tell us Confucius, how does the Second Amendment enable criminals to obtain guns?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:04 PM | Reply

So, tell us Confucius, how does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep the criminals from plundering the city/county?
#92 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

So, ------------, how many guns will make you feel safe? 400,000,000? 500,000,000? 1,000,000,000?

And what about the law-abiding citizens a quantum of time after pulling the trigger making them no longer law-abiding citizens?

How many 6 year olds have to have their intestines violently blasted from their bodies for you to feel satisfied?

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 03:09 PM | Reply

So, tell us Confucius, how does the Second Amendment enable criminals to obtain guns?

#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:04 PM | REPLY

You need to ask Hunter Biden that question. He needs to be in jail, but here you are defending him.

#96 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:09 PM | Reply

Only one country in the world has 50,000 of it's citizens die by gun violence Every. Single. Year. and somehow consider itself exceptional.

#97 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 03:11 PM | Reply

Hey LftHndThrds.

This is an IQ test.

Name a citizen who was law abiding enough to legally own guns, who went on to murder people with guns they were allowed to legally possess.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:11 PM | Reply

You need to ask Hunter Biden that question. He needs to be in jail, but here you are defending him.

#96 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I'd be content taking his gun away.

And yours.

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-10 03:11 PM | Reply

So, tell us Confucius, how does the Second Amendment enable criminals to obtain guns?
#93 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You need to ask Hunter Biden that question.
#96 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Hunter Biden illegally obtained guns because of the Second Amendment?

Explain to us why you don't think that's a huge problem with the Second Amendment.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:13 PM | Reply

Trump sends armed thugs to steal an election and Dems don't believe in the Constitution?

The delusions are strong in this one.

#5 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2023-09-09 12:14 PM | FLAG: I'd like to see the list of arms that were siezed.

#102 | Posted by MSgt at 2023-09-10 03:19 PM | Reply

"Guns are a health emergency as they are being used to kill people across this country."

The Right-Wing hostility to thinking about what's best for society during a health emergency was most pronounced during COVID.

But the same hostility is how Deplorables think about guns in society.

Deplorables celebrate the gun violence in Chicago, cheering when then trash takes itself out.

You really only have to scratch the surface of right wing gun politics to expose the racism.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:21 PM | Reply

FLAG: I'd like to see the list of arms that were siezed.
#102 | POSTED BY MSGT

Oath Keepers jury hears about massive weapon cache on Jan. 6
apnews.com
"Members of the Oath Keepers stashed the firearms just outside Washington district limits, given the capitol's tougher gun laws."

Hmmm.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:24 PM | Reply

Check your stats

#98 | POSTED BY LOOSHFARMER AT 2023-09-10 03:11 PM

Oh they do check the stats, at the CDC.

Where they're told the number one cause of death in children is guns
Where they're told that people aren't adults until they're 22 years of age

The CDC absolutely knows how many gangbangers between 17 and 22 years of age kill each other every year, but they still call them "children". Of which, an overwhelming number are people of color.

And the usual suspects here parade it around like a badge of honor.

#105 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:26 PM | Reply

So, tell us Confucius, how does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep the criminals from plundering the city/county?
#92 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I'm curious about the way this question is set up.

Criminals are currently plundering the city/country, now that Sleepy Joe is in charge and the border is wide open, correct?

Why aren't the law abiding citizens doing anything about it?

What good is the Second Amendment if law abiding citizens aren't doing anything about it?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:28 PM | Reply

Hunter Biden illegally obtained guns because of the Second Amendment?
Explain to us why you don't think that's a huge problem with the Second Amendment.

#101 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:13 PM | REPLY

I don't think it's a huge problem with the 2nd amendment, it's a huge problem that people (like Hunter) can circumvent the law without punishment, and you're just fine with it.

#107 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:31 PM | Reply

"Where they're told the number one cause of death in children is guns
Where they're told that people aren't adults until they're 22 years of age"

I see, so when the leading cause of death is guns from birth to 21 is dominated by the 18 to 21s, what am I supposed to think differently about?

Because "We shouldn't let 18 to 21 year olds have guns" is all that comes to mind.

What were you thinking?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:31 PM | Reply

"it's a huge problem that people (like Hunter) can circumvent the law"

Which law?
Who didn't enforce it?
What penalty does law enforcement face for not enforcing the law?

Does buying a weapon from a private party circumvent the law? Are private party sales a huge problem?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:34 PM | Reply

Why aren't the law abiding citizens doing anything about it?

What good is the Second Amendment if law abiding citizens aren't doing anything about it?

#106 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:28 PM | REPLY

I can't speak for everyone but I'm not law enforcement. My firearms are for protecting my family and myself and maybe you if the right situation arises.

#110 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:36 PM | Reply

Does buying a weapon from a private party circumvent the law? Are private party sales a huge problem?

#109 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:34 PM | REPLY

All depends on your state, grasshopper.

The largest of the mass shootings I've followed were people who purchased guns legally when they weren't supposed to be able to get one - because someone didn't do their job.

Places like Chicago that host 60-80 shootings per weekend have the strictest gun laws in the country, and they're actively trying to put an end to incarcerating their criminals.

You could throw the 2nd out of the window tomorrow and absolutely nothing would change.

#111 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:44 PM | Reply

"My firearms are for protecting my family and myself and maybe you if the right situation arises."

Welcome to the Drudge Retort, Adam Lanza's mom.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:45 PM | Reply

You could throw the 2nd out of the window tomorrow and absolutely nothing would change.
#111 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Okay.
So let's throw it out the window.

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:46 PM | Reply

What were you thinking?

#108 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:31 PM | REPLY |

I was thinking that if we can put a gun in their hand and send them to war, they're old enough to own a firearm.

You're throwing shade on the cultural issue and grouping everyone together. I can see why you do this, because it's painful to accept the stats unless they've been "cleaned up"

#114 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:47 PM | Reply

"The largest of the mass shootings I've followed were people who purchased guns legally when they weren't supposed to be able to get one - because someone didn't do their job."

Just to make sure I understand:
You're blaming mass shootings not on the shooter, but on someone who didn't do their job.
I blame mass shootings on the shooter. You're a miserable coward if you can't do that.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:49 PM | Reply

"I was thinking that if we can put a gun in their hand and send them to war, they're old enough to own a firearm."

So you're okay with all that gun violence in Chicago. They're old enough. Que sera sera.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:50 PM | Reply

"You're throwing shade on the cultural issue and grouping everyone together."

The cultural issue is the gun culture you support is why Chicago has so much gun violence.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:51 PM | Reply

Okay.
So let's throw it out the window.

#113 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-10 03:46 PM |

Be my guest, but nothing will change. Just like the Bernalillo County Sheriff who decided not to enforce the law.

Even our government is oblivious to the number of firearms in this country. They know what's registered and that's it.

#118 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-10 03:52 PM | Reply

"Places like Chicago that host 60-80 shootings per weekend have the strictest gun laws in the country"

Why not make all of America like Chicago?

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:52 PM | Reply

"Be my guest, but nothing will change."

Just curious:
Do you see the gun violence in Chicago a bad thing?

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:53 PM | Reply

"Even our government is oblivious to the number of firearms in this country."

That's because people like you are terrified of the government tracking guns, so you won't allow them to do it.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:55 PM | Reply

"Be my guest, but nothing will change. Just like the Bernalillo County Sheriff who decided not to enforce the law."

Curious, do you still consider the Sheriff a law-abiding citizen? Because I think there's a strong argument not only should he have his guns taken away, he should have his job taken away too.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 03:56 PM | Reply

"Where they're told the number one cause of death in children is guns
Where they're told that people aren't adults until they're 22 years of age"
--LftHndThrds

"if we can put a gun in their hand and send them to war, they're old enough to own a firearm."
--Also LftHndThrds

So you really don't care when people age 18-21 die from guns.
Why not just say you don't care when anyone of age dies from guns?
Because you clearly don't care.
You clearly don't.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-10 04:02 PM | Reply

#122. Typical Dem who believes an executive order from executive branch is law. It is not officially law. Did you think executive orders from Trump were law? Yes I know in hindsite you wish they were law. At least they made sense and made America better.

Law requires Constitutional official ratification by branches of government. Democrats once made some sense. Now they are fools like Biden that destroy America.

#124 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-10 06:35 PM | Reply

Should we make criminals and leftsts happy and eliminate castle doctrine and carry protection and right of self defense in their crime ridden communities? Perhaps even eliminate police.

Americans are already leaving any community or state where the destructive anti self defense silliness of todays Democrats prevails. The only question is how long it takes for intelligent citizens to wake up to the threat Dem politics and their criminal pals represent.

#125 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-10 06:52 PM | Reply

Only one country in the world has 50,000 of it's citizens die by gun violence Every. Single. Year. and somehow consider itself exceptional.
#97 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-09-10 03:11 PM | FLAG:

Less than half that. There were 26k murders total in 2022, 20k by firearm. We're only #53 in per capita for intentional murders in the world, not #1. We're in the bottom third of countries in the Americas. Mexico alone has 35,700 confirmed in 2021, Brazil 47,722 in 2020. Brazil has may issue concealed carry, licensing, registration, etc.

#126 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Robson: "If you ban guns, only the criminals will have guns!"
Republican Sheriffs: "And we refuse to arrest them for having illegal guns. Sorry folks!"

#127 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-11 10:02 AM | Reply

"There were 26k murders total in 2022, 20k by firearm."

Thanks, Second Amendment!

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-11 10:09 AM | Reply

They must be defective guns. Opioids are breaking 80k annually now.

#129 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 10:22 AM | Reply

declare health emergency and outlaw guns.

reminds me of methods used by the soviet leaders....declare a dissident as mentally ill and ship him off to Siberia.

same sort of stupid schitte and yet it's Trump that's a threat to democracy.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO...there's no backdoor confiscation going on ...

I really can't decide if you pathetic saps are this stupid or what.

I don't think you're stupid....you're gd liars.

#130 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-09-11 10:38 AM | Reply

Suicides don't count says the party of life!!!!

#131 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-11 10:44 AM | Reply

outlaw guns
#130 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Did you read the article?

Which guns are being banned?

Are citizens being deprived the right to own guns?

Kind of seems like you're the "gd liar."

#132 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-11 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd like to see the list of arms that were siezed.

#102 | POSTED BY MSGT

Is your google broke again?

Among the tens of thousands of people who did go through the magnetometers, according to the report, the Secret Service confiscated "269 knives or blades, 242 canisters of pepper spray, 18 brass knuckles, 18 tasers, 6 pieces of body armor, 3 gas masks, 30 batons or blunt instruments, and 17 miscellaneous items like scissors, needles, or screwdrivers."

This does NOT include the weapons stashed in Virginia across the bridge or the thousands of insurrectionists that refused to go through the magnetometers because they were carrying weapons.

#133 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-11 11:00 AM | Reply

Only one country in the world has 50,000 of it's citizens die by gun violence Every. Single. Year. and somehow consider itself exceptional.
#97 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-09-10 03:11 PM | FLAG:

Less than half that. There were 26k murders total in 2022, 20k by firearm. We're only #53 in per capita for intentional murders in the world, not #1. We're in the bottom third of countries in the Americas. Mexico alone has 35,700 confirmed in 2021, Brazil 47,722 in 2020. Brazil has may issue concealed carry, licensing, registration, etc.

#126 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Sitz ,

Are you lying on purpose or accidentally by omission?

In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were accidental, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined.

www.pewresearch.org

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-11 11:06 AM | Reply

#133

Nw

#135 | Posted by Corky at 2023-09-11 11:09 AM | Reply

#134 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2023-09-11 11:06 AM | REPLY

The CDC

All homicides
Number of deaths: 26,031
Deaths per 100,000 population: 7.8
Source: National Vital Statistics System " Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 20,958
Deaths per 100,000 population: 6.3
Source: National Vital Statistics System " Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER

#136 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 11:46 AM | Reply

I love the versatility of the right wingers who post here.

A few days ago they were cheering wildly when the cops violated 2 of the rights that are protected by the constitution and murdered a pregnant woman.

Today they are furious because the governor of New Mexico tried to implement a 30-day ban on carrying firearms in public areas or state property in Albuquerque and the county it sits in,,,,,

Because "it violates rights that are protected by the constitution"........

#137 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-11 11:50 AM | Reply

To pump numbers you have to add accidents, suicide by cop, justifiable use of force by cops, "unknown circumstances", etc. Sorry, Americans don't intentionally shoot each other nearly as much as most of the Americas. You don't need kidnapping insurance to go to America. If I go 6 hours South, all of a sudden I need it.

#138 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 11:51 AM | Reply

If they weren't shooting each other at a rate far above America, we wouldn't have a refugee crisis from those places.

#139 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 11:52 AM | Reply

To pump numbers you have to add accidents, suicide by cop, justifiable use of force by cops, "unknown circumstances", etc. Sorry, Americans don't intentionally shoot each other nearly as much as most of the Americas. You don't need kidnapping insurance to go to America. If I go 6 hours South, all of a sudden I need it.

#138 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

it does my heart good to know that statistically speaking ---------- is statistically more likely to die from guns than if he had no guns (statistically speaking that is).

#140 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-11 12:45 PM | Reply

True and relevant facts when it comes to gun deaths and shooters must take culture, ethnicity and race into account. But it is never openly discussed. The authorities refuse to collect certain data probably for political reasons. It has been said that Americans of European background as perps are fewer in number per event and as victims of gun deaths than the Anglo Europeans in Europe themselves. So if that is the case the real problem in America is not 2A or firearms but other issues. I could search for the related data but only to be called racist or hear from people that do not want the facts and instead want facts muzzled. The facts are leftists are always authoritarians, and do not want little people armed, and they want open borders that brings in a culture that their radical elites can then twist and control.

#141 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-11 01:12 PM | Reply

"True and relevant facts when it comes to gun deaths and shooters must take culture, ethnicity and race into account."

Go ahead and do that for us because I have no idea what you're trying to say.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-11 01:19 PM | Reply

"The authorities refuse to collect certain data probably for political reasons."

For example, the authorities don't collect the information "Do you own guns" because Republicans won't allow that question to be asked.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-11 01:23 PM | Reply

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but that doesn't even really hold up to a deep dive. I aged out of the demo that accidentally shoots themselves or their friends/family. I do not suffer from depression nor any addictions. I don't do stupid redneck ---- like load tanerite into washing machines. My safes aren't even digital, it's not a fast process to get into one.

Most likely firearm thing to happen to me is getting Dick Cheney'd with dove shot. I once had to pick a BB out of a crater in a guy's face after his friend shot him. Their erratic drive to the hospital was more dangerous than his shotgun wounds.

#144 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-11 01:23 PM | Reply

Sorry, Americans don't intentionally shoot each other nearly as much as most of the Americas. You don't need kidnapping insurance to go to America. If I go 6 hours South, all of a sudden I need it.

This is a weird argument. The fact that we might not be the absolute worst in something doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. "Better than Central America" is a pretty low bar.

#145 | Posted by JOE at 2023-09-11 01:29 PM | Reply

mm hmmm dementia ain't a thing, breaking and entering ain't a thing, loved ones suffering mental health or substance abuse crisis ain't a thing.

again, it's just math, so who cares.

#146 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-11 01:50 PM | Reply

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