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Tuesday, September 12, 2023

John Blake: The myth is that many Black people oppose Thomas because they can't handle his stern calls for self-reliance and his admonishments to stop looking for free stuff from White people or government programs. According to the conventional story, Black people don't like Thomas because he is a Republican and a conservative"and because, according to Thomas in a fiery 1998 speech, he refused to be an "intellectual slave." But many Black people don't despise Thomas because he's a conservative. They reject him because they say he's a "hypocrite" and a "traitor" who hurts his own people to help himself.

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But Black people don't have a problem with conservatives or Republicans. The late Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice both served in Republican presidential administrations as Black conservatives. Both are well-respected in the Black community. But Thomas is something else. Merritt says he actively hurts his own people by consistently voting to severely limit abortion rights.

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For once and for all can we both done with the rightwing myth that black people hate Clarence Thomas due to his "calls for self reliance" and personal responsibility. It has long been a completely false and offensive mischaracterization of the reality. Blacks hate him because he is a self serving hypocrite who has screwed over his own people to find favor with billionaires and live the rich life.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-09-11 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Stop looking for free stuff from white people - Clarence Thomas
Attention rich white people, please give me free luxury vacations, a free upgrades for my mom's home, free school for the boy I'm raising and a free loan for a motorcoach. - Clarence Thomas

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-11 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Thomas has shown himself to be a grifting hypocrite who exploited his blackness and was exploited because of it every step of the way. He seemed to revel in it like a pig at the trough. And he even appeared to derive weird pleasure sneering at others - even raising his proud snout from the trough on occasion - because, somehow, his narrow experience seemed so completely distant (even almost completely at variance with) that of so many of his compatriots.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-11 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Doc,

"He seemed to revel in it like a pig at the trough. And he even appeared to derive weird pleasure sneering at others - even raising his proud snout from the trough on occasion"

Uppity...

I fixed that for you.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-11 08:40 PM | Reply

Uppity...

I fixed that for you.

No you didn't. Evidently you can't comprehend what's being plainly stated.

Thomas isn't uppity, he's pitiful for debasing himself in an obvious double standard when by accepting the largess of billionaires he tacitly admits that his life choices haven't allowed him to achieve equal financial status with those who subsidize his lifestyle. If he were true to his word, he'd have left the bench and proven his mettle as a business scion, but the truth of the matter is that he wasn't blessed with such talent so he and his wife choose to enrich their lifestyles through accepting charity from others who have been extremely financially successful unlike Clarence himself.

For a person who decries others receiving "handouts" - none anywhere near equal in value to those he accepts for himself - he shows himself to be an open hypocrite of the highest order.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-11 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Doc,

"his narrow experience seemed so completely distant (even almost completely at variance with) that of so many of his compatriots."

Token black...

I fixed that for you.

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-11 09:41 PM | Reply

Tony,

Doc's post would have been better just to leave his color out.

Just say he exploited his position (if that's what he did..I don't know).

In any case, I do agree the gifts seem inappropriate.

However.....would you even care if he wasn't republican and black?

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-11 09:44 PM | Reply

However.....would you even care if he wasn't republican and black?
#7 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

What an insulting question. What do you think?

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-09-11 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

However.....would you even care if he wasn't republican and black?

Did you see me mention either word in my previous reply? YOUR allusion to him being "uppity" - which is a term with distinct racial connotations - inspired my response. So would YOU care enough to comment about his critics if he wasn't black and Republican?

My critique wasn't based on race, it was based on principle, the weakness of envy, and the projection of hypocrisy, demanding independence from others while raking in unearned benefits for oneself - race neutral characteristics.

Your comments? Not so much.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-11 10:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tony,

"Did you see me mention either word in my previous reply?"

My response was to Doc, not you.

He mentioned color.

My question about republican and black was more rhetorical than an actual question directed at you.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-11 10:10 PM | Reply

"his narrow experience seemed so completely distant (even almost completely at variance with) that of so many of his compatriots."

Token black...

Then you need to take it up with the President who chose him, George HW Bush while recalling he was chosen to replace Thurgood Marshall, the very first black SCOTUS justice and far from any token. He was a lion in law and jurisprudence.

At the time of Thomas' nomination he did not have any particular background that would make him the one of the most qualified candidates for the SCOTUS. He was a former bureaucrat turned judge who never made a name for himself within the practice of law - unlike Marshall who argued landmark cases before the SCOTUS before his nomination.

While Thomas was obviously chosen in part due to his skin color, that was on the part of Republicans, not liberals. Liberals have consistently been opposed to Thomas for a myriad of reasons, most having to do with his hypocritical view of affirmative action and the law. AA has never completely leveled the playing field even while it was deemed constitutional. Thomas would never had risen to where he has if not for preferential treatment that benefited him on top of his own accomplishments.

That's the point that those like Thomas like to downplay and ignore. Millions have tried to rise in American society only to have others stop that rise due to systemic barriers intentionally placed in their way for just that purpose.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-11 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Bill, you stupid racist clown. Shut the ---- up.

#12 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-11 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"He [Sarvis] mentioned color"

It's part and parcel of thr article, BILL. Which it doesn't sound like you've actually read.

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-12 05:32 AM | Reply

Another "Black Authority".

#14 | Posted by fresno500 at 2023-09-12 05:35 AM | Reply

Doc,

"It's part and parcel of thr article, BILL. Which it doesn't sound like you've actually read."

The post of yours I responded to #3 was YOUR comments about Thomas..."Thomas has shown himself to be"

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-12 06:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I don't care if black people like Thomas or not. It really isn't relevant one way or the other. It's not a popularity contest being on the supreme court.

Look at how low it gets........

"He seemed to revel in it"

and

"he even appeared to derive weird pleasure"

are great examples of what I'm talking about. Not substance. Rather, attempting to assign pleasure to the man when in fact they have zero clue what pleasure Thomas gets from anything.

Sure, there is plenty to criticize about the man and fair criticism to be sure.

But it always boils down to the comments I just referenced.

It's a very unhealthy way to view the man.....to assign perverse pleasure to him. That's taking it too far which is why I don't care what black people think about him.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 06:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

The True Reason Most Blacks Despise Eberly:

It's because when Blacks speak their mind, Eberly doesn't believe them and says they're wrong, and even says the way Blacks think is wrong.

Eberly also says that's not racist.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-12 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Clarence Thomas due to his "calls for self reliance" and personal responsibility.

They should all go out and get their own white billionaires to bribe them like he did.

What a rags to riches story of self reliance.

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-09-12 08:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#16
Which he has.

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-12 08:29 AM | Reply

I don't know in what naughty place Clarence Thomas touched some of you....but get some help.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 10:06 AM | Reply

I don't know in what naughty place Clarence Thomas touched some of you....but get some help.
#20 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Ask a pregnant woman.
Drive a pregnant woman from out of state to get an abortion in your state.
Run your mouth the whole time.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-12 10:10 AM | Reply

"Liberals have consistently been opposed to Thomas for a myriad of reasons, most having to do with his hypocritical view of affirmative action and the law."

as though the hypocrisy matters. Liberals oppose non-hypocritical conservatives with equal vigor.

The hypocrisy is just an excuse.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 10:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Liberals oppose non-hypocritical conservatives with equal vigor.
The hypocrisy is just an excuse. #22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

And this is where you veer off the road. Opposing somebody in general terms because of their policy positions is one thing; opposing somebody because they are a hypocritical, lying mean spirited opportunist is something totally different.
You cannot honestly believe that Clarence Thomas is in any way comparable to the garden variety GOP politician.

#23 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-09-12 11:21 AM | Reply

Beverly doesn't care because white privilege.

#24 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-12 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't know in what naughty place Clarence Thomas touched some of you..."

Could have been the conscience.

#25 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-12 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Liberals oppose non-hypocritical conservatives with equal vigor.

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

For different reasons.

Looking forward to the time when conservatives are simply conservatives again and not some army of marauding Vandals.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2023-09-12 11:45 AM | Reply

The True Reason Clarence Thomas Despises Most Blacks

(Hint: it's the same reason Boaz despises most Blacks.)

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Yes!

#28 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2023-09-12 01:12 PM | Reply

I don't care if black people like Thomas or not. It really isn't relevant one way or the other. It's not a popularity contest being on the supreme court.
Look at how low it gets........
"He seemed to revel in it"
and
"he even appeared to derive weird pleasure"
are great examples of what I'm talking about. Not substance. Rather, attempting to assign pleasure to the man when in fact they have zero clue what pleasure Thomas gets from anything.
Sure, there is plenty to criticize about the man and fair criticism to be sure.
But it always boils down to the comments I just referenced.
It's a very unhealthy way to view the man.....to assign perverse pleasure to him. That's taking it too far which is why I don't care what black people think about him.
#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2023-09-12 06:41 AM | REPLY | FUNNY: 1

I Rewatched Anita Hill's Testimony. So Much Has Changed. So Much Hasn't. By LIZA MUNDY September 23, 2018

..sought private opportunities to discuss his sexual prowess and his porn-watching habits, describing films involving group sex, rape and women having sex with animals. Hill, she says, was horrified. She told him the talk made her uncomfortable and would try to "change the subject," a textbook response to such a skin-crawling situation. All this, Hill was forced to utter at a time when the American public was not yet inured to primetime talk of salacious sexual details, nor had any idea what it cost a woman to relive those moments of disgust and degradation. "It is only after a great deal of agonizing consideration and a number of sleepless nights that I am able to talk of these unpleasant matters to anyone but my close friends," Hill said, continuing, "Telling the world is the most difficult experience of my life, but it is very close to having to live through the experience that occasioned this meeting." ..

#29 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2023-09-12 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Uppity...

I fixed that for you.
No you didn't. Evidently you can't comprehend what's being plainly stated."

Nor who invevted the word or what it was used to describe. It was invented by white people to describe people like Barrack and Michelle Obama.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2023-09-12 03:05 PM | Reply

How can any honest person, leftwing or rightwing, claim that Clarence Thomas is not a corrupt hypocrite? The truth is so obvious that the only reasons to deny it are partisanship, or stupidity, or trolling. I have yet to hear any honest intelligent person argue that Clarence is anything but a corrupt hypocrite.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-09-12 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How can any honest person, leftwing or rightwing, claim that Clarence Thomas is not a corrupt hypocrite?

#32 | POSTED BY MODER8

When have Republicans been honest?

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-12 05:01 PM | Reply

-Opposing somebody in general terms because of their policy positions is one thing; opposing somebody because they are a hypocritical, lying mean spirited opportunist is something totally different.

except that it's not. Not to you anyway.

You can call it different but it simply isn't.

Your opposition to Clarence Thomas is no different than your opposition to Brett Kavanaugh.

You can claim it's different......but it isn't.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 05:42 PM | Reply

-How can any honest person, leftwing or rightwing, claim that Clarence Thomas is not a corrupt hypocrite?

How is that NOT the same thing being said about virtually all republicans?

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 05:43 PM | Reply

How is that NOT the same thing being said about virtually all republicans?
#35 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's not?
Anybody here think virtually all Republicans are honest? I doubt even the Republicans think that!
Do you think Clarence Thomas is honest? Say it ain't so!

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-12 05:53 PM | Reply

Eberly, I don't know how to respond. You make a blanket claim and assert that my disagreement with you is just incorrect. I do not believe that in all the years I have interacted with you I have ever observed you be this presumptuous. Let me just restate: You are mistaken. Opposition towards Clarence Thomas is far more multi-faceted than any typical opposition Democrats and others might have towards other rightwing politicians.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-09-12 06:46 PM | Reply

-Opposition towards Clarence Thomas is far more multi-faceted than any typical opposition Democrats and others might have towards other rightwing politicians.

You say "tomato"......

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-12 07:02 PM | Reply

It's as I've said b4,

UNCLE clarence TOMas...

the writing is on the wall.

#39 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-09-12 08:11 PM | Reply

'Calls for self reliance'. Ha. Ever read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"? The former Malcolm Little does a great deal of calling for black self reliance in that book. As a white guy, I have no problem with black self reliance. There was a great deal of it in the Greenwood section of Tulsa, until Memorial Day weekend in 1921. Black self reliance is a hard message for some to accept, because it comes after overcoming bigotry, racism, and victimhood. Self reliance is hard, but it--and truth--will set free many who are shackled nowadays...

#40 | Posted by catdog at 2023-09-13 12:08 PM | Reply

Cat,

Times have changed.

Everything is racist now.

Directing the statement "become self reliant" towards people on welfare isn't racist but directing it specifically to blacks will be seen as racist.

Blacks have managed to frame the conversation so they are untouchable.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-13 03:03 PM | Reply

"I don't blame him. Anita Hill had great feet!!"

- BOAZO

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-09-13 07:20 PM | Reply

"Your opposition to Clarence Thomas is no different than your opposition to Brett Kavanaugh."

I'm sure Ginni and Clarence's private jet flights and vacations aboard a mrga-yacht all paid for by a billionaire who has a personal interest in Supreme court decisions could affect som American's opinions about Clarence Thomas. Definitrly affects mine. Prtsonally I think Clsrence Thomas is a despicable, sold out crook, nothing more.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2023-09-14 08:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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