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Full-time employees at the Big Three make on average $18 to $32 an hour, depending on seniority - wages that haven't kept up with inflation. Temporary workers earn far less. At Stellantis, they start at $15.78 an hour and max out at $19.28 after four years. The union wants a wage increase of 36 percent over four years. The union points to high executive pay and company profits to argue that workers deserve the same generous pay increases that executives got over the life of the current contract, which was signed in 2019.

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*GM Chair and CEO Mary Barra's compensation, including bonus and stock awards, grew by 34 percent between 2019 and 2022, to $29 million last year.

*Ford's CEO pay, including bonus and stock awards, grew by 21 percent over that period, to $21 million last year.

*Stellantis, headquartered in the Netherlands and formed through a 2021 merger of Fiat Chrysler and France's Peugeot SA, didn't exist when the contract began. Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares made about $25 million last year, including long-term incentives.

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What are UAW workers on strike demanding?

*Better pay: The union wants a wage increase of 36 percent over four years. The automakers have presented offers ranging from 17.5 percent to 20 percent over a 4-year contract, but the union described those increases as insufficient after years of inflation.

*Better benefits: The demands include a 32-hour workweek and company-financed health care in retirement. They also want all workers to receive a defined-benefit pension. Currently, full-time workers hired after 2007 get 401(k) accounts with a 6.4 percent company contribution.

*Eliminating tiered employment: The union wants to end the tiered system that puts newer workers on lower pay scales with lesser benefits. It has also called on the companies to depend less on temporary workers, while the manufacturers say hiring them allows them to operate factories efficiently.

The UAW has an easily understandable case to be made to the public watching this impasse play out: If the Big 3 can boost the compensation of their CEO's by 40% since their last contract 4 years ago, then they should treat workers exactly the same way.

And while a 40% bump over 4 years seems high now, the workers demand is based on inflation we're already experienced - that they've had to withstand without remedy - and wherever inflation takes costs/prices over the next 4 years. The Big 3 can always raise prices as market/economic conditions allow, but workers only get one chance every 4 years, and after taking it in the shorts in 2019, they damn sure won't make that mistake again as profits have climbed to all-time highs as they've fallen far behind.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If Stellantis paid the CEO $1 million instead of $25 million, and evenly distributed this amongst its employees, everybody would enjoy a $1 bump in their weekly check, pre-tax. Gut the entire executive class and there's not enough to cover a 40% bump for the UAW labor.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-15 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When the financial crisis of 2007-09 jeopardized the automakers, the union agreed to give up its annual cost-of-living adjustments, which had begun in 1948. It also accepted expanded use of a two-tier wage structure. Today the starting wage is $18.04 an hour, which is lower than the 2007 starting wage of $19.60, Fain said. If the starting wage had kept up with inflation it would be around $29 today, he noted.

Meanwhile the automakers rebounded from the financial crisis and began to make a lot of money - $250 billion from 2013 through 2022, according to the Economic Policy Institute. G.M. and Chrysler were prohibited from issuing big dividends or stock buybacks to reward shareholders as a condition of the federal bailouts they received, but soon after the government sold the last of its shares (in 2011 for Chrysler and 2013 for G.M.), they resumed big payouts in earnest. They also boosted top executives' pay.

Garrett Nelson, a senior equity research analyst for CFRA, told me this week. He said that among expenses for automakers, labor is a distant second to the cost of materials, such as steel. "So they do have some room" to pay more, he said. "It is digestible."

Another analyst, Daniel Ives of Wedbush Securities, disagreed, saying that big pay increases would "make the Detroit Three put one hand behind their back in a fist fight against Tesla." He said it would be impossible for the companies to give the U.A.W. the raises it wants and "keep the same profit margin that they've promised to the Street."

Therein lies the problem. The companies are more worried about the shareholders than they are in actually producing goods at a profit that is fairly shared with those who create what is being sold.

There is a solution for this problem and it's fairly simple: Sell equity shares of the company to the workers over time and take Wall Street out of the equation.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Seeing how much the cost of living has increased in America since the Covid epidemic, it is hard not to support the workers in this dispute. As these multi multi millionaire executives fail to understand, $100,000 aint remotely what it used to be. In California, you are at best middle class with a household income of $200,000.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-09-15 03:57 PM | Reply

The workers are already collectively and individually stockholders. The UAW already owns $3.3 billion in just GM stock. Their healthcare is entirely dependent on being stockholders. You get stock options at most of the manufacturers as part of your paycheck.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-15 03:59 PM | Reply

Seeing how much the cost of living has increased in America since the Covid epidemic, it is hard not to support the workers in this dispute.

#4 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2023-09-15 03:57 PM | FLAG:

It's not hard to empathize, but their companies already underperform compared to competitors. Toyota operating net margin is 7.7%, GM is only 6%. Ford is 2.44%. Relatively there isn't much to squeeze out of Ford. Ford prices have to go up which will damage their competitiveness in a tight market.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-15 04:03 PM | Reply

Industries that are tied to national interests should not be on the gambling, i mean stock, market.

#7 | Posted by Brennnn at 2023-09-15 04:10 PM | Reply

Labor worked with management when the companies were in a nine line bind. Notice that after it became profitable, these corporations did not seem to remember labor helped them out by taking a pay cut. Now that they have been in the green for a good many years, it comes time to recognize that labor did it's part suddenly has the CEOs with amnesia.

I've said it a good few times. CEOs and the board make corporate direction but they do not produce the goods and services. The workers do that. Without the workers, the corporations are worth little. Corporations as a whole have had this same problem. Paying the board and CEOs outrageous pay boosts while leaving the workers behind. After all these years gone by, inflation has eaten into what the workers get and no pay raises have kept up with it beyond the board room. This is why most families now have to have two earners, they can no longer afford for one to raise the kids while the other works.

#8 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-09-15 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

-There is a solution for this problem and it's fairly simple: Sell equity shares of the company to the workers over time and take Wall Street out of the equation.

Interesting idea. Why can't they come together on that?

or did you not really mean "sell" shares of the company to the workers?

IOW, your solution is for workers to 'buy" shares of stock in their employer?

What's wrong with that idea?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2023-09-15 04:25 PM | Reply

It's not hard to empathize, but their companies already underperform compared to competitors.

You keep overlooking that this action is not based on the future as much as it's based on the past.

Profits at the "Big 3" auto companies - Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis - skyrocketed 92% from 2013 to 2022, totaling $250 billion. Forecasts for 2023 expect more than $32 billion in additional profits.

CEO pay at the Big 3 companies has jumped by 40% during the same period and the companies paid out nearly $66 billion in shareholder dividend payments and stock buybacks.

Autoworker concessions made following the 2008 auto industry crisis were never reinstated, including a suspension of cost-of-living adjustments. As a result, workers' wages in the union and nonunion sector alike are falling farther behind inflation: Across the U.S., auto manufacturing workers have seen their average real hourly earnings fall 19.3% since 2008.

www.epi.org

The fact of the matter is this: the profits, dividend payments, and stock buybacks were made with revenue generated by the workers because they bit the bullet for the companies since 2008. Each company should have factored in that they owed the workers and increased bonuses and incentives to at minimum keep pace with inflation instead of shoveling tens of billions to investors with no sweat in the game.

I know that's not how it works, but the problem is that it SHOULD work that way, and this strike is the moment for changing that paradigm and reorienting what should be viewed as business as normal. The workers are trying to regain the 20% they've lost over the last 15 years and gain about another 5% annually for the next 4 years. Looking at it that way, it's hard not to understand the union's position.

I've also got what I think is a reasonable compromise solution: Agree to a contract more towards the terms of the union, but place a reopener clause within it that allows a renegotiation in two years if indeed the companies run into problems not of their own making.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

IOW, your solution is for workers to 'buy" shares of stock in their employer?

A little different. I want the workers to buy stock from the OWNERS and become defacto partners across the board. Worker reps would be on the board and in on the decision-making from the ground up.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 04:36 PM | Reply

If non-union autoworkers don't understand what UAW is doing for their future, they'd better clue in and support their brethren. Because what comes around, goes around. For all the bellyaching over non-union EV manufacturing, can you imagine what'll happen when the BIG 3 ramp up for EV production with jobs paying significantly higher wages? Where do you think the cream of experienced non-union EV workers will go?

As unionized auto wages fell behind, so did non-unionized auto wages. This spillover effect whereby wage suppression of union workers filters out into the broader economy and damages the wages of non-union workers as well is a key dynamic driving U.S. inequality in recent years. Bureau of Labor Statistics data in Figure A show that production and non-supervisory workers across the broader motor vehicle industry, union and non-union, have taken it on the chin since the 2009 deal. Those working in motor vehicle manufacturing saw their average hourly earnings fall a staggering 19.3% since 2008, after adjusting for inflation. Including the broader motor vehicle parts industries - where outsourcing strategies have long compressed industry wage structures and thus didn't have as far to fall - average earnings fell 10% in real terms.

www.epi.org

What has been true for decades is still true today: When unions negotiate higher wages and better benefits for their workers it eventually leads to the same for non-union workers as well. In this case a rising tide does indeed lift all boats.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IOW, your solution is for workers to 'buy" shares of stock in their employer?
A little different. I want the workers to buy stock from the OWNERS and become defacto partners across the board. Worker reps would be on the board and in on the decision-making from the ground up.
#11 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Labor should have a dedicated representative on the Board of Directors.
That would show the company is serious about maintaining good labor relations.
I believe that's required by law in Germany. A country that knows about making cars.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-15 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's too communist for America.

Low wages for labor,sky's the limit for top management is The American Way.

You don't want be like Russia,do you?

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-09-15 06:08 PM | Reply

The new corporate elite are in fact Democrats. Those like GM CEO Mary Barra making many millions and government handouts are in bed with Joe Biden, WEF, China, and the radical climate cult.

#15 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-15 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It used to be back in the day that there was a social contract. It was an unspoken but held to. The company made sure that raises were part of the worker's due, provided they did their part and loyalty was expected of the worker.

That social contract is now and has been broken. The boards allowed the accountant the yes and no about what should happen with the profit, along with making sure the board members got a healthy pay raise. The worker was shown it was all about the benjamins and they had no worth and could be replaced in a heartbeat. Then came the idea that it was a cheap stock boost to fire workers and load those jobs the ones laid off onto the remaining workers but no pay raise to go with the increased work. At best they might get a new job title. Job titles don't put food on the table nor do they pay bills.

Today's worker has no loyalty and they shouldn't. They've been shown their worth is next to nothing. Yet somehow corporations tend to think that worker's leaving should give them a two week warning. Yet when it comes to layoffs, if the business is small enough, it happens overnight. If large enough then a notice is given to all workers they could be in the next lay off. No one's job is secure anymore.

Since the benjamins are all important now and that's what the workers have been shown in what they have had to do extra and not been paid for, it hits them right where they place the most value.

#16 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-09-16 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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*GM Chair and CEO Mary Barra's compensation, including bonus and stock awards, grew by 34 percent between 2019 and 2022, to $29 million last year.

Only $2.1M of that was in salary.

*Ford's CEO [Jim Farley's] pay, including bonus and stock awards, grew by 21 percent over that period, to $21 million last year.

Only $1.7M of that was in salary.

*Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares made about $25 million last year, including long-term incentives.

Only $2.1M (EUR2M) of that was in salary.

That's much less than salaries of CEOs/COBs of Toyota, Honda, BMW, Volkswagen etc.

2022 Salary of BMW Group's CEO at $10.84M (EUR10.15M) tripled from $3.4M in 2019 (his first year as CEO), others nearly or more than doubled from 2019.

Volkswagen CEO Oliver Blume was recently ranked No. 13 in a list of the world's best CEOs for 2023 - his salary in 2022 was EUR7.4M in his first year while his predecessor's Herbert Diess salary was EUR11.8M... and he wasn't even the highest paid board member at VW.

So these are actually very low CEO salaries and even total pay packages by US standards, reflecting a couple of very good sales and profits years due to inflation and COVID19 generous "helicopter money" to businesses and consumers courtesy of US government.

$75M in potential total compensation, including performance bonus and non-guaranteed long-term incentives of stock awards and options, considering they are running multinational multi-billion enterprises with total worldwide 2022 revenue of $530B and 612,000 employees.

But they are still puny compared to many CEOs in other industries. And comparing CEOs or executives total compensation as X-number of their company's "median worker salary" makes for wonderful press and media headlines, to show "inequality," but is idiotic - they do entirely different jobs, have much different challenges and levels of stress, are overseeing hugely different number of people and actions, have vastly different financial responsibilities that affect and are accountable to different groups of people.

www.tbsnews.net - A $2.3 billion CEO bonus isn't the worst - 2021-12-20
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#17 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-09-16 05:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The companies are more worried about the shareholders than they are in actually producing goods at a profit that is fairly shared with those who create what is being sold."

Workers don't get profits as a function of labor income. They get what are called "wages."

I mean, there might be possible alternatives. Something where shareholders get a fixed amount, and employees get profits or absorb losses.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-16 05:45 AM | Reply

In the late 1800s, a lot of businesses used to pay employees based on profits. probably similar to to the crabbing ships you see on the discovery channel. One of the early big wins of the mining unions was getting a steady check, regardless of company profitablity.
To me it's nonsense that workers would share in company profits unless they were also going to absorb company losses, although that concept is antithetical to class warriors.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-16 05:46 AM | Reply

"A little different. I want the workers to buy stock from the OWNERS and become defacto partners across the board. Worker reps would be on the board and in on the decision-making from the ground up."

Do you want them to, or do you think they should be obligated to as part of a company contract.

It's certainly not a bad idea, but that could potentially expose the workers to losses. They may just want the money.

Owning stock in a business isn't a one-way proposition. You can make money, but you can also lose it.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-16 05:50 AM | Reply

"grew by 34 percent between 2019 and 2022"

Strong argument to grow employee compensation by 34 per entire between 2019 and 2022.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 12:13 PM | Reply

"To me it's nonsense that workers would share in company profits unless they were also going to absorb company losses"

Workers share in company losses by getting laid off, you economically illiterate fool.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To me it's nonsense that workers would share in company profits unless they were also going to absorb company losses, although that concept is antithetical to class warriors.

#19 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2023-09-16 05:46 AM | REPLY

Didn't read the article did you, Workers got cut back already to save the companies when they were going belly up. Historically The workers were typically 4 dollars' an hour behind skilled trades, now its 20 and growing.

#23 | Posted by Scotty at 2023-09-16 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The new corporate elite are in fact Democrats. Those like GM CEO Mary Barra making many millions and government handouts are in bed with Joe Biden, WEF, China, and the radical climate cult.
#15 | POSTED BY ROBSON

I guess that explains why Republicans don't listen to Corporate Elites like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates when they say "Raise taxes on the rich!"

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 06:28 PM | Reply

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Actually, UAW health benefits fund was capitalized very generously during auto industry (sans Ford) bailout of 2009 - they became owners of 17.5% of GM and 55% of Chrysler (now part of Stellantis) - most of which they have sold years ago.

And the UAW workers have already been participating in profit sharing** - albeit with no risk of capital loss, unlike shareholders aka putative "owners" / "part-owners" of the auto companies - that's the gravy on top of their salaries and generous benefits packages that have been renegotiated by same union just 4 years ago, for generally not very skilled labor, more and more helped by robots, cobots and other automation.

And, obviously, the higher the total pay demanded by UAW, the better and cheaper automation, "streamlining" and outsourcing look. "Detroit" is already a skeleton of what it used to be, and for good reasons. For example, average autoworker at "Big Three" generates amount of revenue for (to make) about 22-23 cars. Average autoworker at Toyota generates amount of revenue for (to make) about 28 cars.

** "As a result of the company's financial performance in 2022, Stellantis announced today that the eligible profit sharing amount of $14,760 will be paid to UAW-represented employees on March 10, 2023."

** "GM to pay UAW hourly workers record $12,750 in profit-sharing
The before-taxes payout for its UAW-represented workforce is an increase from $10,250 paid out in 2021 and about $9,000 in 2020.
It is a record payout, Caldwell said. The highest payout, prior to this one, was in 2016 at $12,000 per employee."

** "Ford hourly workers to get $9K in profit sharing despite headwinds
Ford Motor Co. will pay profit-sharing bonuses of up to $9,176 to hourly autoworkers.

The Dearborn automaker employs about 56,000 hourly workers in the U.S. Profit-sharing checks to eligible workers will be distributed in early March."
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#25 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-09-16 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-15 02:50 PM
There is a solution for this problem and it's fairly simple: Sell equity shares of the company to the workers over time and take Wall Street out of the equation.

There are several problems with this "solution" - I'll just list a couple:

1. This is not "Detroit" - these are multinational corporations with 612,000 employees, only less than a quarter of which (146,000) are unionized, in UAW. So do you want only UAW workers to "buy" all these shares, or all of them?

2. Even if "owners" don't want a premium to today's price tag for all 3 :
"That would be about $155 Billion for the shares, plus $284 Billion for debt, sir. Would you like this in paper or plastic? And will it be cash, check or American Express?"
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#26 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-09-16 09:29 PM | Reply

"Full-time employees at the Big Three make on average $18 to $32 an hour, depending on seniority - wages that haven't kept up with inflation."

"At Stellantis, they start at $15.78 an hour and max out at $19.28 after four years."

The KFC down the street pays $20 an hour. To start.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-17 12:30 PM | Reply

You keep overlooking

#12 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2023-09-15 04:57 PM |

Nope. I'm just looking at where the money is supposed to come from. The only answer you have is make the Big 3 more expensive and less competitive in a global market, and that's great for everybody. The stock you want, they already have and can keep buying more of.

The UAW threw out their president in March so they could have this strike, but poor government fiscal policy stuck them with inflation. More price inflation isn't going to save them.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 01:34 PM | Reply

The KFC down the street pays $20 an hour. To start.
#27 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2023-09-17 12:30 PM | FLAG:

Compare their total compensation package or gtfo.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 01:39 PM | Reply

"Ford, GM and Stellantis CEOs make at least 281 times their average employee"

What was this ratio 50 or 100 years ago, and explain why CEO labor has become so much more expensive relative to their average employee since then.

Is it 10x or 100x harder to find a CEO than it used to be, even as the global population has doubled or tripled?

Tell us why.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-17 01:45 PM | Reply

Because you have to be able to buy enough stock to be allowed to be the CEO.

Fear not though Snoofy, you can be CEO of your own car, and you can just give yourself raises with revenue.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 01:47 PM | Reply

"Because you have to be able to buy enough stock to be allowed to be the CEO."

You mean all the stock that's given, as part of the total compensation package?
If you can't answer, just say you can't answer.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-17 01:51 PM | Reply

The KFC down the street pays $20 an hour. To start.
#27 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Compare their total compensation package or gtfo.

#29 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I can eat a lot of chicken. And the gravy is like crack. And I could become a manager and then I would know the secret recipe and then I could take over the world!

Moo ha ha!

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-17 01:58 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2023-09-17 01:58 PM | FLAG:

It's Marion-Kay 99X spice mix + pressure frying.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 02:18 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-09-17 01:51 PM | FLAG:

No. I mean for you to be able to accept the CEO job, you have to be able to purchase X amount of stock depending on the board agreements.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 02:19 PM | Reply

You can't even become the GM of a car dealership without buying partial ownership of the dealership, cash or financed, and spending the # of years on the sales floor, both requirements from the manufacturers as part of the franchise agreement.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 02:27 PM | Reply

Re #34

Way to crush my dreams man! Stupid internets ruins everything!

But it's no joke man how the UAW workers are getting screwed. After helping to bail out their own company and save it from bankruptcy they deserve better. And the pay difference from CEO to worker has become unbearable.

I wish them luck on their negotiating.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-17 03:32 PM | Reply

"What Do UAW Members Make?"

They make cars.

And they are also the ones that actually made America great.

And they deserve better treatment from their wage slave masters.

(Leans forward and whispers)
Seriously man. This ain't no joke!

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-17 03:36 PM | Reply

They assemble cars. Parts from China and mexico.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-17 09:05 PM | Reply

#37

The new contract they were pursuing would push average hourly labor costs from $66/hr. to $136/hr. Those costs would be passed on to consumers. I don't know what impact that would have on demand for these vehicles, but likely it would drive consumers to purchase more Tototas and Nissans.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-18 06:05 AM | Reply

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