Allowing men who lived 2-3,000 years ago to dictate how and with whom you have sex is the pinnacle of stupidity.

IMNSHO

Personally, I believe we're all sinners, gay and straight, and need to travel the same path towards redemption.

#33 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Personally, I say ---- you for your judging me.

Truth,
Whether or not you're sinner, you certainly are a potty mouth.

#37 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

There is no such a thing as sin.

Some child like adults die thinking there is.

The sheer concept that words are "potty" is infantile.

Like it or not, religion has served to guide America towards standards of decorum.

#40 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

---- decorum, ---- religion and ---- you.

Decorum is used to oppress minorities, women, ---- anyone different from you.

Decorum is used by the powerful to keep the peons in line.

There are no moral standards to speak of?
#47 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Nope, there is no good or evil no right or wrong just the consequences of our actions.

Truth,
Potty mouth.

#49 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bill johnson

baby

"From what I'm seeing today in society, it's anything goes."

One has to be seriously delusional to actually believe this.

While a few brave few live a few squares outside of cultural norms, anything goes? where are the gladiator fights? Where are the public hangings?
Where are the orgies? I was promised orgies? Where is the peace and love? Does anything goes include tolerance and respect for the marginalized?

BS its the foundation of a civil society.

#53 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Yeah, like slavery, apartheid, jim crow, you know, civilized.

BS its the foundation of a civil society.

#53 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Were the founding fathers expressing decorum when they tossed tea in the harbor? Or when they gunned down redcoats from behind trees?

Was Rosa Parks following decorum when she refused to give up her seat?

Were the gay men following decorum when they rioted at Stonewall?

When are you gonna stop thinking gays are second class citizens for having those flaws?

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

never because to believe they are sinners means you deserve you believe in their eternal damnation to hellfire and brimstone. They should be happy with second class citizenry here on god's green earth.

Snoofy,
"When are you gonna stop thinking jews are second class citizens for having those flaws?"
They are certainly not like the rest of society and have their own culture.
Unfortunately too much of that culture is money based and within the christian world greed is not highly regarded.
It is a dilemma that the very thing that sets jews apart is their relationship with money.
Perhaps jews need to refine their image as a culture and stop living like second class citizens.
#61 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

See how your concept of the world compares to nazi beliefs bill?

I can honestly say I find your beliefs reprehensible.

I converted your philosophy regarding gays to that of jews. It transfers easily because it is based on regressive stereotypes.

And full of hate.

It is an example of how your attitude towards gay people is reprehensible.

I don't like people like you either.
#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Your bigotry seeps through

Buster Kilrain from "The Killer Angels" put it best:

"Anyone that judges by the group is a pea-wit"

Like me?

That is bigotry.

Hate me for me, don't judge others by my actions. Take people as they come.

"...stop living like second class citizens."

How exactly does a marginalized group achieve this power switheroo?

Perhaps gays need to refine their image as a culture and stop living like second class citizens.
#61 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

So, I opened up my dictionary to look up the definition of "Blame the victim" and it said to "see Bill Johnson's post"

Truth,
You hide behind a few acts of lacking decorum to excuse your uncivil behavior.
Lumpers run around claiming to want a conversation then when they get one they act uncivil.
I don't agree with BillJ opinion, but calling him a Nazi through contextomy isn't going to win him over.

#75 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You have completely and utterly misunderstood me.

I started off condemning bill for judging me, because he judged me by a made up standard-sin and combined that with a logic that borders on guilt by association (we are all "sinners"), which is neighbor to original sin in --------.

Then he doubles down his judginess by declaring that society has lost all it's moral standards and somehow religion is tied to some national "decorum"

I rightfully pointed out that decorum is -------- and is used by oppressors to keep the downtrodden and marginalized in line-can't disrupt the social order donchaknow!?!

I am proud of my incivility because it is in the cause of justice. I often wonder why people like you aren't more uncivil with that as a goal. Your (magat morons in general that is) incivility always tends towards bigotry and oppression.

I did not call him a nazi, that is an outright lie. I compared his rhetoric and theory to what is essentially nazi belief and see little difference. He expresses views towards gay people that nazis would use towards jewish people. Sorry it that upsets you. truth hurts

I said it before I'll say it again, relying on the words of men from 2-3,000 year ago to dictate who you love or how you express your love or even desire is pathetic.

It sort depends on the werds... don't it?

I mean, love your neighbor as yourself is pretty good, ain't it?
The love of money is the root of all evil. Pretty snappy and succinct.
It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.
Do for others what you would have them do for you.
He's got some greatest hits, lol.
#86 | POSTED BY CORKY

I don't need men from the bronze age to teach me how to treat my neighbors, do you?

There is no evil, so that second one is actually meaningless.

There is no heaven, so ditto.

The golden rule was explained to me in kindergarten (in a public school), so again, no need for toga wearing dudes explaining the obvious.

When you get around to the verses on slaves and sleeping with your daughter and not eating shellfish, please come explain the wisdom of the ages to me.

Again, not sure what some 3,000 year old men have to teach me on who I should love.

Hey, YMMV, I am kink friendly, if that is your kink, who am I to shame you!?!

- no evil
Holocaust victims and survivors might possibly disagree.
- no heaven
An opinion, no more. And we know what they are like.
btw... have you ever seen an actual number?
I've been asking around....

#88 | POSTED BY CORKY

Humans have an innate need to create order out of disorder. it is an evolutionary survival mechanism, our primitive ancestors sought patterns in the unknown to identify risks.

Man has been seeking to create order out of disorder since we began standing upright and came down from the trees.

Man has spent millennia creating myths that "define" our surroundings, including myths of right and wrong and good and evil.

What you call evil is nothing more than man attempting to create meaning or patterns in the world.

The holocaust is obscene and reprehensible.

but evil? evil implies either a plan or some separate from the act itself. Why let the perpetrators off the hook? Why absolve them of their actions by implying the devil made them do it, cause is the devil not the manifestation of evil? If not the devil, is it not god's plan? No the perpetrators chose their actions and should be judged accordingly.

If you believe in evil, then your "god" has to be evil or what else would you call a being that created man for 100,000 years before deciding that suddenly, these people he had created could have some sort of afterlife with him in heaven by believing in his son? What about the billions who lived and died without knowing "god"? condemned to hell for eternity? THAT sounds like evil to me, by your definition.

btw... have you ever seen an actual number?
I've been asking around....

#88 | POSTED BY CORKY

You are confused about the concept of numbers? Perhaps if jesus had said 1+1=2 religious whackadoodles might appreciate the benefits that science has afforded them.

I worry about people who need a old book to teach them not to kill millions.

Even then some choose to ignore the book

people who can't post direct thoughts are boring.

You wouldn't enjoy me being any more direct... although what I've said are my thoughts

#98 | POSTED BY CORKY

It couldn't be worse than boring.

I just assume you are having a conversation with yourself.

BTW did you know an apple isn't really an apple? What you think of as an apple is actually it's own thing. Man conceives of it as an apple, but it is decidedly not an apple. So if you have 2 things that man calls an apple, you really don't have 2 apples, you have 2 concepts of things that man defines.

Kind of like evil.

Yeah conversation with your self

Yawn

You're babbling incoherently

Go talk to the voices in your head corky, you're boring me.

Maybe one of them is god.

we have a free will.

#118 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Then god ain't all powerful, now is he?

- living in sin
As is everyone since no one is perfect.
{SNIP}
#119 | POSTED BY CORKY

Speak for yourself.

Not sure how a new born could be considered imperfect, except in the catholic faith of collective guilt, which I consider "evil"

How about fetuses which christians consider people, what on god's green earth could they have done to not be "perfect"?

Oh, wait, it's almost like this argument is --------.