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Saturday, September 16, 2023

"Luka Hein, who is from Minnesota and is now 21, "filed a lawsuit against the Nebraska Medical Center and Nebraska Medicine alleging medical malpractice and negligence against medical professionals who conducted her gender transition [sic] surgery." the lawsuit explains Luka was just 16 years-old when social media convinced her she needed a sex change.

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#1 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 04:20 PM | Reply

imo, her problem may be with social media, not the doctor.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-16 04:31 PM | Reply

The doctors performed surgery on a 16 year old without parental consent?

The article doesn't actually provide any facts or details and is embarrassingly emotion based journalism.

Overall.

Sounds like buyer remorse.

They made a choice. Now they'll have to live with it. Or get Breast implants.

Blaming anyone else is futile.

Welcome to being an adult.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 04:41 PM | Reply

Welcome to being an adult. #3 | Posted by ClownShack

FTA: "When Luka was just 16 years-old, her breasts were surgically amputated as the first step in her 'gender affirming care'"

She wasn't an adult at the time. Our society generally forbids minors from getting tattoos but is OK with the above surgical removal.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 04:49 PM | Reply

Not old enough to buy lottery tickets but old enough for a sex change?

This may end up being a landmark case.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 04:50 PM | Reply

She wasn't an adult at the time.

Oh look. It's our resident transphobe who voted for Hillary Clinton.

Poor 16 year old. It's everyone else's fault.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 04:56 PM | Reply

Ok pedo tell us more about how sixteen year olds are adults.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 04:58 PM | Reply

Transphobia, bringing MAGAts from all stripes of life together.

Embrace your inner MAGAt!!

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 04:58 PM | Reply

That's right run from your claiming she was an adult.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 05:02 PM | Reply

tell us more about how sixteen year olds are adults.
#7 | POSTED BY TOR

Why don't you ask the judicial system.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 05:04 PM | Reply

 

@#7 ... how sixteen year olds are adults ...

Ages of consent in the United States
en.wikipedia.org

Age of Consent 16 or less...

American Samoa
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Maine
Massachusetts
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
North Carolina
Puerto Rico
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
West Virginia


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-16 05:06 PM | Reply

Looks like that's whats happening and you're not going to like the outcome.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 05:06 PM | Reply

That's right run from your claiming she was an adult.
#9 | POSTED BY TOR


Welcome to being an adult:

"Being an adult means accepting that life is not always fair, but that you still have the power to make it better."

You're gonna die on your mountain of transphobia.

Like the homophobes and racists before you.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 05:07 PM | Reply

www.advocate.com

The study surveyed 136 transgender patients, ages 13 to 25, half of whom had top surgery. Those who had not undergone the operation disclosed significantly more distress, whereas only one individual who had undergone the procedure reported regret.

Data from the Times article estimates there were 203 gender-affirming surgeries performed on minors in the year, at only eleven different clinics. In contrast, 3,200 girls ages 13 to 19 received cosmetic breast implants in 2020. Another 4,700 had breast reductions.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-16 05:07 PM | Reply

Breast implants and beauty pageants for young girls is what Makes America Great!

MAGA!!

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 05:09 PM | Reply

teens

www.youtube.com

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 05:10 PM | Reply

I will say that the article does not paint the doctor in a good light. Luka was suffering from some major psychological issues (some unrelated to any gender issues) and I am not sure why a doctor would recommend surgical intervention at that time. Seems like if Luka was having identity issues, that non-surgical gender affirming care would be appropriate. Of course, the article is light on details and only one side of the story

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-16 05:13 PM | Reply

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth.

Maybe, just perhaps, we as a society could try empathy, sympathy and support for our children.

I know, I know, too radical for some!

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-16 05:15 PM | Reply

It's our resident transphobe who voted for Hillary Clinton.
Ad hominem in one post. Impressive! Hillary attack for extra non sequitur points!

Poor 16 year old. It's everyone else's fault. #6 | Posted by ClownShack
Um, OK. Flawless logic as always.

#19 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 05:17 PM | Reply

I am not sure why a doctor would recommend surgical intervention at that time. [...] #17 | Posted by truthhurts
The answer is money. We have a for-profit medical system. You have a practice specializing in this type of surgery, you need to keep the patients rolling in to pay the bills.

Most doctors are highly reluctant to even tie tubes on adult females, for fear of regret by the patient. But then you have an entire industry that tells us kids are old enough to decide to undergo this surgery, with the counsel of these doctors who happen to make oodles of cash by performing the surgery.

#20 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 05:22 PM | Reply

But then you have an entire industry that tells us kids are old enough to decide to undergo this surgery,

That's --------, but this could be a simple malpractice case.

Thing is though, and this is where the story is lacking, is that there would be multiple doctors involved-at least 2-the psychiatrist and the surgeon.

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-09-16 05:27 PM | Reply

That's [BS] [...] Thing is though, and this is where the story is lacking, is that there would be multiple doctors involved-at least 2-the psychiatrist and the surgeon. #21 | Posted by truthhurts

One hand washes the other. But it seems that you have much more faith in the medical industry than I do.

Michael Jackson's face and a glance at the cat woman told me all I needed to know about type of care some doctors provide when money enters the equation.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 06:05 PM | Reply

"Michael Jackson's face and a glance at the cat woman"

Capitalism breeds innovation.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Capitalism breeds innovation. #23 | Posted by snoofy

Indeed! Just wait till you hear about how the same doctors who pronounce that a patient is clinically dead and therefore suitable to have their organs harvested also often happen to work in the organ transplant industry. So even though they won't get to transplant that particular organ from that particular "dead" patient, they stand to benefit down the line when someone else in that same industry decides that a patient is ready for organ harvest.

And the organ donor card decision can't be overridden by loved ones who believe that you may not be quite dead yet.

I revoked my organ donor consent shortly after I learned this. I still want to donate my organs upon death, but now it's up to others who have no profit motive to carry through with my wishes.

#24 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 06:50 PM | Reply

this could be a simple malpractice

Why. Was there something the doctors did wrong?

Was there no parental permission?

A 16 year old did something they regret?

Quick, make a show about it like MTV's 16 and pregnant.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 06:56 PM | Reply

Flawless logic as always.
#19 | POSTED BY CENSORED

What ever you say, Transphobe.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 06:57 PM | Reply

I revoked my organ donor consent shortly after I learned this. I still want to donate my organs upon death,

Make sure you tell them, after you're dead.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 06:59 PM | Reply

If you think I'm not in favor of the age of consent being raised to 18 in all states you're wrong.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-16 08:45 PM | Reply

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#1 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

#29 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-16 09:02 PM | Reply

She wasn't an adult at the time.

#4 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Teenage girls get breast reduction and implants all the time.

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

#30 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-16 09:04 PM | Reply

More Teens get Breast Implants than Trans Top Surgery

www.advocate.com

More "bad faith arguments", I'm sure.

For any normal people reading this, that translates to facts.

#31 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-16 09:09 PM | Reply

#24 I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family when and if the time comes, they will honor my wishes, and give every piece of me that can be donated to people in need. To me there is no greater gift at the end of life, giving others an opportunity at one.

#32 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-09-16 09:09 PM | Reply

How many have you donated?

#33 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-16 09:24 PM | Reply

#33 Don't forget to put the word filter back on when you change over to your other Retort names. Have a great night.

#34 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-09-16 09:29 PM | Reply

#24 I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family when and if the time comes, they will honor my wishes, and give every piece of me that can be donated to people in need. To me there is no greater gift at the end of life, giving others an opportunity at one. #32 | Posted by gracieamazed

Nothing wrong with trusting in your family or wanting to share your organs. Like I said, I also wish to donate my organs if they are of any use to someone else. But your family has no choice in the matter once you sign an organ donor card.

Where you've signed an organ donor card, it's up to the doctors to declare you dead, sometimes without the input of your family, and send your organs along their way. And doctors sometimes have their own motivations to speed along that process ("In what transplant experts believe is the first such case in the country, prosecutors have charged the surgeon [...] with prescribing excessive and improper doses of drugs, apparently in an attempt to hasten Mr. Navarro's death to retrieve his organs sooner.")

#35 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-16 09:34 PM | Reply

#34

Listen up, you stupid ----. This is the only account I have, and you're a despicable racist cow.

#36 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-16 09:59 PM | Reply

#36 sure thing Teflon. It's funny the word filter quits working the minute you start posting. It's all good you keep doing you.

#37 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-09-16 10:22 PM | Reply

You think LegallyYourDead is RCade?

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-16 10:30 PM | Reply

#38 That is not what I said. If I wanted to say that, I would've said that. LYD knows what I'm talking about. No momentum here.

#39 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-09-16 10:33 PM | Reply

Just wait till you hear about how the same doctors who pronounce that a patient is clinically dead and therefore suitable to have their organs harvested also often happen to work in the organ transplant industry.

That tracks.

There's a paper out there which describes how physicians with an ownership stake in a radiology business are 2.6x more likely to order imaging studies than their counterparts without any ownership stake.

The only explanation is they are lining their pockets and we let them get away with it.

That's what "freedom" gets you in health care. The doctors are free to be unscrupulous and it's caveat emptor.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 10:53 PM | Reply

It's funny the word filter quits working the minute you start posting.
#37 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Let me give you a piece of advice.

Find better things to do than be an imaginary victim of the word filter that takes a while to sanitize people's posts.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-16 11:09 PM | Reply

@#37 ... the word filter quits working ...

There's a word filter here that has stopped working?

Sometimes I have noticed that the "words that advertisers do not want to be associated with" filter works, albeit, sometimes it takes a while to do its work.

Is that the word filter of which your comment speaks?

If so, maybe this most august site is trying to avoid the fate of Mr Musk's X (formerly known as Twitter) that now seems to be struggling financially because advertisers do not want their products associate with the words now expressed on X?

In other words, is RCade smart to pre-emptively avoid a similar problem?

Yeah, I admit, a major diversion..... (I'll go away quietly.... or not...)

Cool song...

Jorma Kaukohen - Genesis
www.youtube.com


Lyrics excerpt
www.lyrics.com

...
The time has come for us to pause
And think of living as it was
Into the future we must cross (must cross)
And I'd like to go with you
And I'd like to go with you

You say I'm harder than a wall
A marble shaft about to fall
I love you dearer than them all (them all)
So let me stay with you
So let me stay with you

And as we walked into the day
Skies of blue had turned to grey
I might have not been clear to say (to say)
I never looked away
I never looked away

And though I'm feeling you inside
My life is rolling with the tide
I'd like to see it be an open ride
Along with you
Going along with you
...


Wow, they don't write lyrics like that anymore....



#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-17 12:16 AM | Reply

Sounds like buyer remorse.
They made a choice. Now they'll have to live with it. Or get Breast implants.
Blaming anyone else is futile.
Welcome to being an adult.

#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Except this is a significant argument against transitioning teens and young adults.

You've more or less said "you're right...*shrug*"

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:34 AM | Reply

You're gonna die on your mountain of transphobia.

If you immediately find yourself reaching for an -ic, -ism or -ist label as your primary argument, you've probably already lost.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:38 AM | Reply

I am not sure why a doctor would recommend surgical intervention at that time.

Maybe they were afraid of being labeled and publicly outed as an -ic, -ism or -ist?

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:44 AM | Reply

Maybe, just perhaps, we as a society could try empathy, sympathy and support for our children.

Indeed. Which might mean supporting them through a particularly difficult time of an already difficult time to ensure that permanent modifications to their physical bodies aren't done needlessly.

They are our children, after all.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:50 AM | Reply

The answer is money. We have a for-profit medical system. You have a practice specializing in this type of surgery, you need to keep the patients rolling in to pay the bills.

If this surgeon had a massively skewed history of patients regretting the choice? Maybe.

My bet? They think they're serving an underserved population and are a little too enthusiastic about it.

Most doctors are highly reluctant to even tie tubes on adult females, for fear of regret by the patient.

Yet no such concern exists for vasectomies.

BTW people who call women "females" are ------- creepy.

But then you have an entire industry that tells us kids are old enough to decide to undergo this surgery, with the counsel of these doctors who happen to make oodles of cash by performing the surgery.

#20 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Do you have receipts?

No.

I think you're assuming a lot here. Based on your own (assumed) character flaws.

BTW I just want to say again-people who call women "females" are ------- creepy. -------. Creepy. As. ----.

Creep.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:55 AM | Reply

Michael Jackson's face and a glance at the cat woman told me all I needed to know about type of care some doctors provide when money enters the equation.
#22 | POSTED BY CENSORED

You must be an idiot.

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 12:57 AM | Reply

@#46 ... Indeed. Which might mean supporting them through a particularly difficult time of an already difficult time ...

They need to proper medical care, in so many respects, to deal with their, I'll say, situation. (wish I had a better word to say)

There is the mental image held by a person of what their gender is, and then the is the physical aspect of their sex.

Usually, the two agree.

But, what happens when they don't?

Is politics really able to answer that question?

How long before politics will be able to catch-up with this?


#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-17 01:07 AM | Reply

Usually, the two agree.
But, what happens when they don't?
Is politics really able to answer that question?
How long before politics will be able to catch-up with this?

#49 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Who said anything about politics being the answer?

Shouldn't irredeemable medical care in the form of surgical alteration of their physical body be a last resort only conducted when absolutely sure?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 01:12 AM | Reply

Didn't read the article. Reacting to the last few hours of comments.

I support trans rights.

That said, I get queasy thinking about surgical therapies for pre-adults. I can handle reversible drug therapies if prescribed after some serious introspection but surgery seems extreme at younger ages.

Another thing, doctors having a financial interest in referred services. Disclosure laws can deal with that, iirc Texas has one. I'd speculate the source of the pejorative allegation is disclosure laws.

#51 | Posted by et_al at 2023-09-17 01:33 AM | Reply

Didn't read the article. Reacting to the last few hours of comments.

I support trans rights.

That said, I get queasy thinking about surgical therapies for pre-adults. I can handle reversible drug therapies if prescribed after some serious introspection but surgery seems extreme at younger ages.

Another thing, doctors having a financial interest in referred services. Disclosure laws can deal with that, iirc Texas has one. I'd speculate the source of the pejorative allegation is disclosure laws.

#52 | Posted by et_al at 2023-09-17 01:33 AM | Reply

@#50 ... Who said anything about politics being the answer? ...

That is my point.

Have you not read this thread?

fwiw, I firmly believe that politics is not the answer here.

However, politics has entered into the discussion. And, imo, people will suffer as a result of that.


#53 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-17 02:00 AM | Reply

@#50 ... Shouldn't irredeemable medical care in the form of surgical alteration of their physical body be a last resort only conducted when absolutely sure? ..

Absolutely.

Any irreversible medical alteration should only be conducted when the patient is absolutely sure.

100% agreement on that.

OK, now that that is aside...

How is that "absolutely sure" decision attained?

That seems to be the real question on this thread.

To wit...

... Woman sues doctor for sex change says social media to blame ...

#54 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-17 02:05 AM | Reply

It's not social media's fault if you are confused about what sex you are.

#55 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-09-17 07:20 AM | Reply

BTW people who call women "females" are ------- creepy.
Isn't that the term I'm generally supposed to use for human beings with fallopian tubes, which is what I was discussing? I'm just trying to keep up with an evolving language.

I think you're assuming a lot here. Based on your own (assumed) character flaws.
Yeah, cause the industry that launched a united, all-out, personal and vicious attack thirty years ago on someone for trying to provide universal health care isn't interested in protecting their bottom line at the expense of society.

BTW I just want to say again-people who call women "females" are ------- creepy. -------. Creepy. As. ----. Creep. #47 | Posted by jpw
Not sure what your point is. It's a non-judgmental word identifying a "sex," (current relevant definition: "Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"). As opposed to "gender," which means what someone identifies as and has no objective basis that I'm aware of. If you have another word for differentiating the sexes, please let me know. Or call me creepy, if that is all you've got.

You must be an idiot. #48 | Posted by jpw
Tell me you're in the medical industry without telling me you're in the medical industry.

Why am I an idiot? Because I suspect that individuals in our medical industry, which costs us more than twice what other developed nations spend while arguably producing worse results might have people who are in it for the money?

Are medical professionals somehow immune from greed? I guess I should have assumed that the medical industry folks I know personally who have two, three, or four homes took a vow of poverty and that they purchased those homes with smiles and giggles.

We should worship the ground they walk upon and whispering "doctor" in hushed tones, with awe in our voice, in every context, and every opportunity, trembling before their sight. And welcome the fact that medical expenses are still one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in our country, wiping out a lifetime of hard work with one major illness. But never question the motives of those in the industry or the bills we are obligated to pay for the privilege of continuing to exist.

#56 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-17 08:19 AM | Reply

I'm just trying to keep up with an evolving language.

They're women.

How often do you say "I'm just having the males over for a male's night out"?

You're reducing the person down to their sex.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 01:44 PM | Reply

As for your little screed, you take a few minority examples and apply it as the norm.

I know doctors who make good money but not crazy money. Drive normal cars and live in nice, normal houses.

I also know some who live in giant houses, drive expensive cars and make obscene amounts of money.

It's all dependent on their specialty.

But if you're concerned about costs in healthcare, that's not the right rock to overturn. There was a thread about it a while back.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 01:47 PM | Reply

"I'm just trying to keep up with an evolving language."

Well you failed miserably.

See if you can learn from your failure instead of doubling down like a Deplorable, okay?

We're all rooting for you!

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-17 01:49 PM | Reply

You really want to get into where the money goes?

Insurance companies.

Executives. Of hospital systems, pharma companies and other peripheral entities. VC and PE as well.

There was a thread recently about third parties making tens of millions of dollars a year by simply transferring funds from insurance companies to practices who billed them.

They do nothing necessary, yet extract millions.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 01:49 PM | Reply

How often do you say "I'm just having the males over for a male's night out"? You're reducing the person down to their sex. #57 | Posted by jpw
Yeah, I was. In this case sex was central to the medical operation of tubal ligation. You can try to perform a tubal ligation on a male woman if you don't believe me. Give it a shot and let me know how it goes. I'll just creep here quietly awaiting your update.

As for your little screed, you take a few minority examples and apply it as the norm. I know doctors who make good money but not crazy money. Drive normal cars and live in nice, normal houses. I also know some who live in giant houses, drive expensive cars and make obscene amounts of money. It's all dependent on their specialty. But if you're concerned about costs in healthcare, that's not the right rock to overturn. There was a thread about it a while back. #58 | Posted by jpw
Screed? Sure, why not?

As you said, I'm an "idiot" for suggesting that there might be people in the industry who are interested in making a buck or two million. I wasn't referring to just doctors, though. The entire industry is much better paid than pretty much the rest of our society and there are, of course, costs besides doctor and nurse pay. It didn't grow from 5% to almost 20% of our GDP over the last 60 years because of a few outliers, though.

#61 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-17 02:24 PM | Reply

"How often do you say "I'm just having the males over for a male's night out"?

At this time of year, every Sunday afternoon.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-17 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well you failed miserably. See if you can learn from your failure instead of doubling down like a Deplorable, okay? We're all rooting for you! #59 | Posted by snoofy
Sure! Please let me know which word I should have used instead of "female" for describing the subject of an operation that can only be performed on females. "Women with fallopian tubes?" Seems unusually wordy, but I wouldn't want to trigger anyone by using a word like "female" that accurately describes about 50% of primates.

I was today years old when I found out that the terms "male" and "female" are offensive to fragile members of our society. I hope that I'll be able to purchase the correct USB adapters on Amazon without offending anyone.

#63 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-17 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"No Female No Cry"

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-17 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A lot of common sense takes on this thread. Very refreshing.

#65 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-09-17 04:30 PM | Reply

A lot of common sense takes on this thread. Very refreshing. #65 | Posted by BellRinger
If you're referring to anything I wrote, I'm just doing my infinitesimal, and probably entirely ineffective, part to keep the Dems/Libs from following the GOP's path into nonsense and stupidity.

Probably won't make a whit of difference, but at least I can say I tried to talk some commonsense when the need arose.

It would be nice to have at least one party running our country that isn't catering to its most extreme elements.

#66 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-17 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

# 66. You don't have a monopoly on it but you are one of the voices I was referring to. Moderate lefties are a shrinking class.

#67 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-09-17 05:04 PM | Reply

Hardly.

If y'all would stop being pulled to the right things would be a whole lot better.

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2023-09-17 06:06 PM | Reply

Oh and those studies that say teenagers that have sex changes are happier with the results? Teenagers are known for not wanting to admit mistakes.

#69 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-18 11:58 AM | Reply

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