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Tuesday, September 19, 2023

GM, Ford and Stellantis underestimated just how combative union leadership has become after decades of discontent.

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... The walkout led by United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain at three General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Stellantis NV factories is no ordinary labor-versus-industry clash. The 54-year-old former Chrysler electrician is pushing for a dramatic reset of the wage scales and working conditions that would meaningfully change the economics of car manufacturing. He's taken aback executives with eye-watering demands for 40% pay increases over the next four years and a 32-hour work week " unheard of in American manufacturing.

Just as jarring has been Fain's unconventional negotiating style. Instead of following decades of precedent and targeting one company at a time, Fain has taken on all three companies employing 146,000 union members at once. He's inflicting significant damage by disrupting truck and sport utility vehicle output, while taking pains not to burn through too much of the UAW's strike fund. He's left himself the option to bring down even more lucrative pickup plants, if need be.

Two days before the strike deadline, Fain even stood up auto industry royalty, failing to show up for a bargaining session with Bill Ford, the great-grandson of Henry. "We've never seen anything like this," said Ford Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 12:07 PM | Reply

This is corporatism and over the years they've run rough shod over the workers, building resentment when they see what they have to put up with and do, when the senior board members don't. Add to it the continual loading on of ever more work requirements with no extra pay for it while the board members rake in the big bucks for doing little and getting sweetheart deals to boot, while the worker is told they can be replaced with little or no effort has added to this pile of resentment.

Now it is on display just how much workers matter when they go on strike and it takes other plants down. Jim Farley says they've never seen anything like this, well the workers never saw anything like the constant threat to job security and the continual piling on of ever more work from those laid off. The work still has to be done, there is just less people to do those tasks. If it's anything like my last job, there is never any hope you will catch up, doing 3 other peoples jobs as well as your own. You wind up putting out fires by tending to whatever needed to be done last week or last month.

Shawn has put them on notice that there is no playing games with making a deal anymore. Either put up or watch the costs mount as the profit they've become accustom to stops. Nation wide, corporate has become tone death to workers calls for fairness.

#2 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-09-19 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just as jarring has been Fain's unconventional negotiating style. Instead of following decades of precedent and targeting one company at a time, Fain has taken on all three companies employing 146,000 union members at once.

#1 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2023-09-19 12:07 PM | FLAG:

* sort of. This is not a general strike against all 3 companies. The UAW is only shutting down 1 plant at 1 brand, restarting it, then doing a strike elsewhere, and rotating it around. It's a unique tactic afaik.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 01:02 PM | Reply

@#3

Thanks for that correction.

... It's a unique tactic ...

Yes, it seems to be.

I wonder what the UAW has planned for Friday?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 01:11 PM | Reply

The companies have been doing stock buy backs.
They've received government bailouts and loans.

They deserve no sympathy or support.

#5 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-19 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fain made good point saying he's not asking for more of a raise (40%) than the big 3 CEOs got over the last four years.

[A]n hourly Ford employee would need to labor for seven working lifetimes to earn the same amount of money that Farley, between his base salary, bonus, stock options, and fringe benefits, took home in a single year.

At General Motors, the worker-to-boss disparity is even more extreme"GM CEO Mary Barra made 361 times her typical employee's pay last year, bringing in $29 million while the median worker earned $80,000. Similarly, Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares made the salary of 365 employees, earning $25 million (or 23.4 million euros) while the typical employee earned $68,000.

"It's not [that] we'll wreck the economy. We'll wreck their economy, the economy that only works for the billionaire class and not the working class," Fain told CNN this week

finance.yahoo.com

#6 | Posted by qcp at 2023-09-19 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The companies have been doing stock buy backs.
They've received government bailouts and loans.
They deserve no sympathy or support.

#5 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2023-09-19 01:41 PM | FLAG:

They don't, but the UAW are major stockholders of the Big 3. UAW employees get stock options. Bailouts directly benefitted them.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 02:53 PM | Reply

Even the UAW healthcare is heavily invested in Big 3 stock.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 02:55 PM | Reply

Ahh that strike strategy makes more sense now lol. You can't damage the stock price when your organization is dependent on it.

GM is up 2%. Stellantis 2.3%. Ford stock 2%.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 03:44 PM | Reply

" when your organization is dependent on it."

Retirement funds regularly prohibit any investment the fund is "dependent" on. Eggs in 50 baskets are safer than all in one.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 | Posted by qcp

Well played on their part. These CEOs have seen simply stunning pay raises yet workers get peanuts or cuts. I liked they told Stellantis to stuff it as their 20% offer didn't come close to the CEO's 40%.

That said, they have to quit defending the dead wood in the plants. There are REAL problems on the lines.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-09-19 04:34 PM | Reply

Retirement funds regularly prohibit any investment the fund is "dependent" on. Eggs in 50 baskets are safer than all in one.

#10 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2023-09-19 03:49 PM | FLAG:

It's setup as a Trust and owns 100,150,000 shares of GM.,

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 05:26 PM | Reply

and it's the only disclosed stock the Trust owns. All the eggs are in 1 $3.4 billion dollar basket.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 05:26 PM | Reply

So you have a strike that has to strike, but can't endanger stock prices because the UAW hitched their wagon to the stock prices (they were up +2% today for all big 3 an hour ago).

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-19 06:34 PM | Reply

@#14 ... So you have a strike that has to strike, but can't endanger stock prices because ...

Some may think that is a good thing.

The workers' union of a company has a stake in the company that employs the union.

So the union actually has a financial stake in the company, and that hovers over the union during negotiations.

Probably why this happened....

UAW gives ground to aid Big 3's chance for bailout (2008)
www.latimes.com

... First it was the heads of Detroit's Big Three automakers who offered public pledges to cut costs, shrink their vehicle lines, go green and slash their own salaries in the quest for a desperately needed government bailout.

On Wednesday, it was the workers' turn to sacrifice before crucial congressional hearings begin this morning on the automakers' request for $34 billion in emergency loans.

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger said the union would allow General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler to delay billions of dollars in payments to a retiree healthcare trust and suspend a controversial jobs bank that pays laid-off workers. The union also would consider other cost-cutting changes, he said.

But Gettelfinger complained that, after workers agreed to major concessions in 2005 and 2007, the union and the companies were being asked to make significant new sacrifices in order to secure federal aid, while big financial institutions such as Citigroup gave up relatively little to secure much larger amounts of taxpayer money.

"Are we going to blame the autoworkers, who are by the way 10% of the cost of an automobile . . . or are we going to take a look at what's happened to our economy, to the housing crunch, to the Wall Street bailout and the failures on Wall Street," Gettelfinger said during a televised Detroit news conference as union members cheered.

"I'm having a little problem myself here understanding why there's a double-standard here, but we accept it and we'll play by those rules," he said. ...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 07:04 PM | Reply

UAW has a unique strike strategy. It keeps Detroit Big 3 automakers guessing
www.ideastream.org

... The UAW's strategy of limited, targeted strikes at all three American auto companies has gained widespread support among its rank and file.

On Facebook, one commenter compared it to a game of Battleship put forth by United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain.

"He knows where all the boats are and knows exactly how to sink them!" one commenter wrote.

On Tuesday, as autoworkers enter a fifth day of strikes at plants in Missouri, Michigan and Ohio, UAW boss Fain has set a new deadline in the contract talks.

"If we don't make serious progress by noon on Friday, September 22nd, more locals will be called on to stand up and join the strike," he announced in a video posted to Facebook Monday night, while not revealing which plants or how many would be called on next.

Simultaneous strikes against the Detroit Big 3 are unprecedented in UAW history. The roughly 13,000 auto workers already on strike account for just a fraction of the unionized auto workforce, but the threat of growing the strike has added pressure and kept the companies guessing. ...



#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 10:14 PM | Reply

The workers' union of a company has a stake in the company that employs the union.

They did, but then they sold it...
www.gardnerweb.com

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-09-19 10:22 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

The crazy making has consequences.

Ford temporarily lays off hundreds of workers at Michigan plant where UAW is on strike
www.cbsnews.com

Really bad for the economy.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-09-19 10:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"They did, but then they sold 29% of it..."

Just for clarity.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-19 10:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#17 ... They did, but then they sold it. ...

Good.

Thanks for that link.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 10:36 PM | Reply

@#18 ... Really bad for the economy. ...

Maybe, maybe not.

If the UAW gets what they are fighting for, then the UAW workers will have more money to spend, and the billionaires will get even wealthier.

So maybe, if you're really interested in the economy, you might want the UAW to succeed in its goals?


#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...you might want the UAW to succeed in its goals?

His current alias is a Chinese national. He wants them all shot dead in the street.

#22 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-19 10:42 PM | Reply

@#22 ... His current alias is a Chinese national. ...

???

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 10:47 PM | Reply

???

Iron nut? He's claiming to be a Hong Kong educated Chinese National, living in California which he hates, living in a high end SF area where he flies his plane and his wife works for Zuckerberg.

Or something along those lines.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-19 10:58 PM | Reply

Drives a Tesla S or a Prius depending on the thread.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-19 11:09 PM | Reply

@#24 ... He's claiming to be ...

I'd not seen those posts.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 11:12 PM | Reply

@#25 ... depending on ...

Yeah, that sort of confirms my opinion of that alias.

It seems to morph.

A lot.

To the point that I oft wonder if there are multiple people behind the alias and they seem unable to get their collective story straight.

In other words, an amateur operation.

Regardless...


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 11:16 PM | Reply

To the point that I oft wonder if there are multiple people behind the alias and they seem unable to get their collective story straight.

There were a few "shared accounts" from the he-man woman hater's cub originally, but this doesn't smell like one of those.

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-19 11:32 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by oneironaut

So to be clear. They acquired 87.5 Million shares and a board seat in New GM. Raised their stake to 140 million shares and sold off 40 million shares according to that article. Leaving them still with 100 million shares an a seat on the board. Sounds like they are heavily invested in the success of GM at least. Of course this is the UAW Retirees Medical Benefits Trust not exactly the same as the UAW.

#29 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-09-20 08:55 AM | Reply

UAW, one of if not the oldest union in the nation, allegedly could cover three months of total shutdown if they attempt to burn all bridges and conduct a general strike. Will be interesting to see where everything lands when a new deal is created.

#30 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2023-09-21 12:06 PM | Reply

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#30 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2023-09-21 12:06 PM
How Auto Execs Misread the UAW Ahead of Historic Strike

UAW has a unique strike strategy. It keeps Detroit Big 3 automakers guessing

UAW, one of if not the oldest union in the nation, allegedly could cover three months of total shutdown if they attempt to burn all bridges...

"It's not [that] we'll wreck the economy. We'll wreck their economy, the economy that only works for the billionaire class and not the working class," Fain told CNN this week

Great headlines and quotes! Bravo! Well played!

Strike will last no longer than 3-4 weeks (after that boards will start making plans on *permanent* layoffs, closing and moving plants, and maybe too late for UAW to salvage the original/latest offers - Ford already quietly renewed Canada's contract), with UAW's new "tough boss" Shawn Fain making loud noises and threats, then will sign off on whatever offers are presented to him - which would be about the same or less than they are now - and declare "VICTORY" for the "workers and Labor movement" and will be be a darling and lauded by media as "the guru of the new age/dawn of workers/Labor empowerment in America" for a while...

If the UAW gets what they are fighting for...

They will get pretty close to what was on offer since the beginning, but will blow it up as "VICTORY" over "greedy CEOs" - that's the usual script.

By (and well before) the end of this contract there will be even fewer UAW members, some Big 3 plants will close and/or be moved to Mexico or "right to work" Southern states.

Ignore the headlines. Pay more attention to how bosses of WGA-SAG/AFTRA screwed their members and lateral local businesses with their strike - ask them later informally if they support the unions and the strikes.
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#31 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-09-21 02:43 PM | Reply

It is Joe Biden that is screwing over the UAW and USA with his corrupt treasonous open border and cheap labor entry of millions of unvetted potential terrorists.

#32 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-21 09:22 PM | Reply

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