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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on former U.S. President Donald Trump to reveal his plan to end the war in Ukraine and to "not waste time" during an interview with CNN on Tuesday.

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... During an interview with Zelensky on The Situation Room, CNN host Wolf Blitzer said:

The former president, former President Trump, he told NBC News on Sunday that he would get " if he were elected president again " he would get you and Putin together and make what he called a fair deal. He said something could have been negotiated with Crimea and other parts of the country. What's your reaction to what he's saying, that he would bring you and Putin together and work out a deal, a fair deal?

"First of all, I don't see any details in this," replied Zelensky. "Of course we have another year before the elections. If he's got some smart ideas, he could share it with us, of course. We need a strong position, obviously."

Zelensky continued: ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 07:49 PM | Reply

Trump's plan? Cut all aide. Force NATO members to cut all aide. Tell Zelensky to surrender.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-09-19 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#2

Yeah, that's also pretty much what I think fmr Trump's plan consists of.

But I'd also throw in ~destabilize NATO,~ just to please fmr Pres Trump's master, i.e. Pres Putin.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 08:20 PM | Reply

How many more American military bases does the------------------- want to hand over to Putin?

www.independent.co.uk

#4 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2023-09-19 09:07 PM | Reply


But I'd also throw in ~destabilize NATO,~ just to please fmr Pres Trump's master, i.e. Pres Putin.
#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

What evidence, other than hearsay, do you have that Putin is Trumps "master"?

LLCs?
Diamonds?
Millions of Dollars in Bank transfers? From Ukraine, CHina, Russia etal?
Trump Jr sending a WhatsApp message to Putin ? 'I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.'
New Porsche?
Grand children receiving $100,000 dollars?
Pseudonym email address with NARA hiding the correspondences with Putin?

Perhaps its the famous DeflectionDan's 100 contacts with Russians? What were the contacts about? Is there an incriminating email? *shrug*

Tell me Mr NoEvidence what do you have other than false allegations?

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-09-19 09:10 PM | Reply

@#5 ... What evidence, other than hearsay, do you have that Putin is Trumps "master"? ...

BaFin to Deepen Deutsche Bank Money Laundering Investigation (Feb 2019)
www.financemagnates.com

...Deutsche Bank released a statement on Friday saying that BaFin, the German financial regulator, has extended the remit of an independent auditor examining the lender's role in the Danske Bank money laundering scandal.

The case stems from an ongoing investigation into the Danish bank's Estonian division.

After a whistle-blower sounded the alarm about the activity of certain customers, most of whom were from Russia and the former Soviet Union, in late 2018, it became apparent that Danske Bank's Tallinn-based operations were doing business with some less than scrupulous individuals.

It is alleged that the bank laundered around $225 billion from 2007 to 2014. If that is the case, it would potentially be the largest instance of money laundering ever uncovered.

Deutsche Bank falls into the mix as it acted as Danske Bank's main correspondent bank. According to the Financial Times, the German bank was responsible for facilitating $180 billion in suspicious transactions....

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Deutsche Bank Offices Are Raided In Money Laundering Probe (Nov 2018)
www.npr.org

...In recent years, Deutsche Bank has been in the news not only for its prominence in the Panama Papers, but also for its ties to President Trump, in a tumultuous relationship that goes back some 20 years.

Trump and the bank once sued each other after he failed to repay a $300 million loan. And the author and reporter Luke Harding has described a "shuffle of money" between the bank's dealings with figures in Russia and its business with Trump. ...

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#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-19 09:15 PM | Reply

If he's got some smart ideas, he could share it with us, of course.

Trump's plan for dealing with PoohtyPants? Same as always. Suck and swallow, then ask for more.

#7 | Posted by censored at 2023-09-20 07:42 AM | Reply

He's got a plan for ending WWII.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-20 06:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump's plan - DISBAND NATO, END AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, SERVE PUTIN.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-20 07:31 PM | Reply

What evidence, other than hearsay, do you have that Putin is Trumps "master"?

#5 | Posted by oneironaut

Sucks that trump was able to ban the investigation into himself from looking into his financial ties to putin doesn't it? That's what happens when you let the president corrupt the justice department.

Now how do you explain trump picking a russian asset as his campaign manager and rewriting the GOP platform to let Putin keep crimea before he even took office? Why was this the ONLY part of the GOP platform trump cared about changing?

We eagerly await your deflections...

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-20 07:33 PM | Reply

After you answer that you can tell us why trump picked putin's favorite general as secretary of defense and why he picked putin's favorite oil executive as secretary of state.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-20 07:47 PM | Reply

I'm sure Trump will provide his plan for ending the war right after he provides proof that Obama had a forged birth certificate, the healthcare and infrastructure plans he promised and election fraud evidence.

#12 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-20 08:07 PM | Reply

Dotard's plan, just like in Helsinki, involves a big bow, a handsie, and a blowie for the Russian dwarf. Hair Furor is so eager to win his lover back from Kim, he might even throw in America's European bases and Atlantic fleet to help make up for all the losses to mean old Diamond Joe.

#13 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2023-09-21 01:21 AM | Reply

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on former U.S. President Donald Trump to reveal his plan to end the war in Ukraine:

Well, that's an exercise in futility. Trump wants to extend the war to WWII. He said so himself. (((sigh)))

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-21 02:11 AM | Reply

Trump wants to extend the war to WWII. He said so himself.

People are saying the Deep State hacked his teleprompter. I don't know it it's true...

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-21 02:16 AM | Reply

T***p's "plan" is for Ukraine to cede all power, be absorbed into Russia, and he'll throw in Alaska as reparations for the trouble he caused his boss by not successfully stealing the election in 2020.

#16 | Posted by chuffy at 2023-09-21 04:02 AM | Reply

Hype-sauce.... there is no jar, no sauce, just hot air. Enjoy. Trump produces this daily.

#17 | Posted by Brennnn at 2023-09-21 07:12 AM | Reply

Tell Zelensky to surrender.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-09-19 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Donny Failure already said that his plan was to allow Putin to keep parts of Ukraine that he illegally invaded.

Neville Chamberlain tried that with Germany.

It would work out as well this time too.

Zelensky has already issued his peace plan....

"Get the f*** out of our country!"

#18 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-09-21 07:19 AM | Reply

People are saying the Deep State hacked his teleprompter.

So their argument is that he doesn't know what he is reading and just repeats it ala Ron Burgundy "F=== you San Diego"?

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-09-21 07:20 AM | Reply

Ukr lost Poland arms yesterday.
Ukr and Russia dropped demands Putin and Zelensky have to go as part of the peace deal.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-21 07:41 AM | Reply

Average Ukrainians are just trying to survive. 400K killed. Zelensky ran on peace agenda. Instead he promoted war and joining NATO which was red line to Russia. One way would be for Trump to end this push by Ukraine to join NATO. You may not agree but worth a watch. m.youtube.com

#21 | Posted by Robson at 2023-09-21 12:00 PM | Reply

Average Ukrainians are just trying to survive. 400K killed. Zelensky ran on peace agenda. Instead he promoted war and joining NATO which was red line to Russia. One way would be for Trump to end this push by Ukraine to join NATO. You may not agree but worth a watch. m.youtube.com

#21 | Posted by Robson a

Wait, you mean giving tyrants what they want is the way to make them stop killing innocent people?

#22 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-21 12:41 PM | Reply

"Instead he promoted war and joining NATO which was red line to Russia."

Does Russia get a "Red-Line"

How about North Korea?

ISIS?

A Red-Line would likely not have been necessary had Russia not been belligerent. It's like saying, I'm gonna beat this guy up, but anyone who steps in to defend them will cross my red line.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-21 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Average Ukrainians are just trying to survive. 400K killed.
#21 | POSTED BY ROBSON"

Don't go spreading the truth on here. These -------- think Ukraine is winning, despite the fact that they are drafting women, drafting cripples and mental deficients, and telling the EU to send back Ukrainians that fled the country as they are running out of combat troops. For Russia, economy is stable, global influence is growing and they are killing Ukrainians at an 8:1 clip. I don't want to see people die on either side, but the only way this thing ends is Ukrainian admitting defeat and negotiating with Russia on Russia's terms.

#24 | Posted by Claudio at 2023-09-21 07:57 PM | Reply

I don't want to see people die on either side, but the only way this thing ends is Ukrainian admitting defeat and negotiating with Russia on Russia's terms.

#24 | Posted by Claudio

It could end by russia ending its invasion too.

APPEASE THE TYRANTS is a hell of a foreign policy.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-21 08:02 PM | Reply

"It could end by russia ending its invasion too.
#25 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

In theory - yes, anything is possible. But, given Russia is winning the war and Ukraine is out of combat troops, outside of NATO putting boots on the ground and sparking a nuclear WW3, that is not going to happen. So, if we deal in the world of what is feasible - that option is out the door. Might as well hope for aliens to make 1st contact and the Human Race comes together as one like in Star Trek.

I think Ukraine will be partitioned and Poland will administer the western half with Ukraine as an independent country ceasing to exist.

#26 | Posted by Claudio at 2023-09-21 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

---- off Jeffy.

#27 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-21 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But, given Russia is winning the war and Ukraine is out of combat troops, outside of NATO putting boots on the ground and sparking a nuclear WW3, that is not going to happen."

Can you elaborate on this statement?

I always take issue with anyone saying either side is winning or losing, because we don't know what the win-lines for each are. Has someone from the HUR or the FSB provided you with comments on what those win-lines are?

We can surmise from comments at the time of the initial invasion that Russia's intent was to create a Russian puppet-state in Ukraine, or annex it outright. If that was the goal, they've already lost. If their goal, as stated, as to 'liberate' the four eastern Oblasts, they've failed to do that as well, and are losing territory. Furthermore, Crimea is increasingly under threat from UKR attacks with anti-Russian sentiments in the region growing. And it's not just that Russia could lose Crimea to Ukraine, Crimea may just vote to be an independent country as they have in the past.

Ukraine has said it is going to "liberate' all of the UKR territory, as defined under the pre-2014 borders.

I don't think either side is going to achieve it's military goals. My guess would be that UKR eventually cedes some territory in the east and joins NATO. Russia keeps the rest. I think Crimea will be a longer-term problem for the Russians. Russia has historically persecuted Crimeans, and I think Crimean separatists are likely to receive strong support from the west going forward.

Crimea is a nice place. Were it integrated into the EU, it would likely become a very prosperous region. Much like the other former Soviet vassal states that aligned with western Europe.

Russia just doesn't seem to have much to offer when compared with the west. Which is why they resort to brute force.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-09-22 02:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But, given Russia is winning the war and Ukraine is out of combat troops, outside of NATO putting boots on the ground and sparking a nuclear WW3, that is not going to happen."
Can you elaborate on this statement?

#28 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2023-09-22 02:02 AM | FLAG:

They can't because it's a lie. Ukr armor has breached the Surovkin line, are widening it, and bringing forward logistics to support the continued push. Now the Abrams assault brigades enter the theater next week to exploit this.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-22 11:41 AM | Reply

The VDV can't be rushed to reinforce the breach, mobiks are going in and being killed by their own artillery. The VDV is pinned by a Ukr brigade maintaining contact so they can't laterally redeploy or their own sector will collapse.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-22 11:42 AM | Reply

The Russian offensive in the North petered out, was thrown back in many areas, and the no mans land reached the outskirts of Kreminna, which is a lynchpin to Russian supply lines for the entire sector.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-09-22 11:56 AM | Reply

Zelensky asks Trump for a plan? LMAO

What is Zelensky's plan? What's Biden's plan - since throwing money at it isn't working? Just wait until China decides to take Tiawan back. Are we going to throw money at that too?

Meanwhile, our country is diving into the abyss at an alarming rate and we're inviting millions of undocumented immigrants to come set up camp every year. No one in this Presidential Admin. gives 2 schitts about Americans.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-22 02:21 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, our country is diving into the abyss at an alarming rate and we're inviting millions of undocumented immigrants to come set up camp every year. No one in this Presidential Admin. gives 2 schitts about Americans.

#32 | Posted by lfthndthrds

The only abyss we're diving into is the fascist abyss your party now fully embraces.

This administration is trying to save the climate from republican policies, bring jobs back from republican policies, ended a war started by republican lies, and save democracy from yor fascist uprising.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-09-22 02:55 PM | Reply

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