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Cops Taze and Arrest a High School Band Director for Directing a Band
An Alabama high school band director was shocked with a stun gun and arrested by police after he refused to stop his band's performance following a football game.
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"The police department released the video Monday. It shows three Birmingham officers repeatedly asking the band director for Minor to stop playing, but he refuses to do so."
Let's start here. The police repeatedly asked the band director to stop playing.
Who here thinks that was a lawful order?
#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:16 PM | Reply
It might be if the police are tasked with clearing the building. How long after a game is over before staying in the stadium become trespassing?
#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-20 03:25 PM | Reply
"It might be if the police are tasked with clearing the building."
Sure seems like if that were the case, the order would be to leave, not to stop playing.
#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:28 PM | Reply
According to the article the police wanted the two bands to stop playing so the rest of the crowd would leave. One band stopped, the other did not.
#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-20 03:33 PM | Reply
They were trying to clear the area due to the end score and possibility of that some might behave badly. The game was over. They asked BOTH band directors to stop playing, encouraging everyone to leave.
Words that the left and race baiters will ever live by: "I urge everyone not to jump to conclusions."
I'll wait for the final report.
#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-09-20 03:35 PM | Reply
"They were trying to clear the area due to the end score and possibility of that some might behave badly."
The police then fulfilled their own prophecy and behaved badly.
#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"I urge everyone not to jump to conclusions."
Meanwhile, the police jumped to the conclusion that a crime was taking place.
#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
WTF Alabama!?
Something is not right. The game had only been over for18 minutes.
I have been to a lot of HS football games. I have never been to a HS football game where the police were required or even there much less required to clear the stadium in 18 minutes. Why were they even there? I can understand the need for EMS but why the police? Were they expecting a riot? Oh wait. It's Alabama. And the students were mostly black. Never mind. Regardless I imagine there was an agreement with the stadium as to how long they had legal access to it.
I will wait for the final report too but you know that by then we will be in to something else completely different. And there will be no follow up to the public unless the band director can afford an expensive lawyer and he calls a news conference for his client.
Else most likely you will never hear about it again.
#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-20 03:41 PM | Reply
"They asked BOTH band directors to stop playing, encouraging everyone to leave."
Encouraging everyone to leave is not the same as ordering everyone to leave.
#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:41 PM | Reply
"Were they expecting a riot?"
Were Negroes present? Then yes.
#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-20 03:42 PM | Reply
A lot of high school marching bands put on a bit of a show after a football game is over.
I know of one that plays for somewhere between 30 minutes to an hour after every home game for anyone who wants to hang around.
No one gets tazed or has the hell beat out of them by the cops over it.
#11 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-20 03:54 PM | Reply
The band that kept playing was from the winning team. They won 27-0, continuing the other team's whole season losing streak. People might have been a bit testy.
#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-20 04:01 PM | Reply
Birmingham officers repeatedly asking the band director for Minor to stop playing
Black people have been shot to death for far less.
#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-20 04:13 PM | Reply
Yeah.
So both schools had agreed to the performance.
www.npr.org
FTA:
Minor High School band director Johnny Mims, 39, and his ensemble of 145 students were about a minute away from being done with their final song when a police officer approached the podium. According to both Mims and the Birmingham Police Department, officers asked Mims to stop the performance so they could clear out the stadium. Mims responded that the song was about to end and the performance was agreed on by both schools.
#14 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-20 04:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
race baiters
#5 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED
I know.
It's terrible.
Whoever posted #5 and brought race into the discussion is a race baiting ass wipe...
#15 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-20 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
Racial
#16 | Posted by fresno500 at 2023-09-20 06:58 PM | Reply
From what I've read I doubt it was racial.
maybe they sucked so bad that someone called the cops and complained of 'tonal abuse'
could have happened..... lol
#17 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-09-21 08:56 AM | Reply
In my area, not a bad area... We've had one highschool game stopped due to fights in the stands between the highschools and another stopped due to gang activity on the grounds between the schools.
It's not too far a stretch that the police needed to crowd to disperse if something like this was about to occur... And maybe not, waiting for the details.
#18 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 08:57 AM | Reply
WAIT.
they tazed him ?
Hmmmmm....that changes things, doesn't it ?
#19 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-09-21 09:01 AM | Reply
Sure, #18.
Let's just say the very worst case scenario ever was playing out that night.
The bloods and the crips + the sharks and the jets, and like 5 gangs from that movie The Warriors were squaring off for the gang war that will end all gang wars.
Why in the blue hell would the cops focus on the band director of your little suburban mom nightmare fairy tale was playing out???
I feel like you should go to a police station as soon as you can and try get a train ran on you by your heroes.
Maybe of 8 or 10 pigs blow your back out you'll simmer down on your lust for them.
#20 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-21 09:11 AM | Reply
first of all go f yourself.
If waiting for all the facts elicits that reaction from you, You have a real problem. Seek help loser.
#21 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 09:17 AM | Reply
"We've had one highschool game stopped due to fights in the stands between the highschools and another stopped due to gang activity on the grounds between the schools."
This game stopped when the clock ran out.
Let me ask you this: Do the police control the stadium? So the police say when the stadium is open or closed? What business do they have telling anyone what to do on public property?
There's no police dick you won't suck. You really learned your place good, boy.
#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 10:17 AM | Reply
And another one heard from.
Waiting for the whole story brings this response from you... show me on the doll where the authority figure touched you.
Such a predictable whiney little b----h
#23 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 10:54 AM | Reply
"Waiting for the whole story"
What additional information do you need to be able to form an opinion?
#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 10:58 AM | Reply
They only seem to have released body cam footage from one of the cops. This footage makes the cops looks pretty bad. I wonder if other footage is available and makes them look even worse. This looks like a case of cops getting bruised ego's after someone questioned their authority.
Cops approach and tell him to stop the band and leave. He told them they were on their last song. They told him twice if he didn't stop the performance they were going to contact the superintendent and the school. He said that's fine. Turns out they were lying. They didn't appear to make any attempt to do so. They instead continue to try to argue with him.
The male cop actively tried to provoke the director.
Director: This is our last song. Get out of my face. Cop: What you gonna to do?
Band finishes the final song and Director starts to leave the area. At that point he is complying with the instruction given by police and they. Cops have not instructed him to come back or tell him he is detained. It should have been over at that point. Cops pursue him. They end up deploying taser 3 or 4 times despite the department's claim it was only used once.
Birmingham PD needs to explain why the cops escalated the situation after they told the Director they were going contact the superintendent/school. They also need to explain why they used physical force against a man who was complying with their instructions.
#25 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-21 12:02 PM | Reply
here's something snoofy can't do... given the run down of the body cam from Johnny. AKA more facts. I'm going to say that these officers need to be removed from duty and charged with battery at a minimum.
And in case what Snoofy can't do isn't clear, it's change opinion and evolve with a story.
#26 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 12:16 PM | Reply
"I'm going to say that these officers need to be removed from duty and charged with battery at a minimum."
You're not waiting for the whole story any more? You're adorable!
#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 02:06 PM | Reply
"Birmingham PD needs to explain why the cops escalated the situation"
That information should be captured on the Uppity Negro Incident Report the police filled out that day.
#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
#27 I know so many knee jerk reactions lowers one's ability to understand what they read.
I outright said given the rundown Johnny gave of the body cam footage, and if it is accurate...
That's acknowledging more of the story has come out, and IF it verifies as true I would alter my take.
I know this doesn't fit your blind assumption that all things cop related are bad so I don't expect you to understand.
#29 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 03:11 PM | Reply
"That's acknowledging more of the story has come out"
That's acknowledging you didn't watch the body cam video.
#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 03:18 PM | Reply
Yesh.
Yust go get your back blown out, #29.
#31 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-21 03:19 PM | Reply
#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Indeed.
The bodycam footage is in every article that's been published about it.
All of them I've seen, anyway.
#32 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-21 03:21 PM | Reply
I saw this days ago, and it wasn't with the cam footage. Too busy today to know new info was out, Johnny's info updated me.
#33 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 03:51 PM | Reply
Well there you go. You now have All The Information.
#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 03:52 PM | Reply
and I altered my position... Since you're used to yelling into the echo chamber, or against someone elses echo chamber I know you might be confused. This however, is the part where we realize that on this point... These cops where wrong and should be disciplined... and we part ways amicably.
#35 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2023-09-21 05:16 PM | Reply
I tend to take people at face value when they say the cops are thugs. Meanwhile, Deplorables want the cops to act like thugs. Not sure what you're doing.
So your "let's not rush to conclusions" approach seemed to ignore every act of police brutality from Rodney King through today.
Like you haven't yet noticed a pattern of police behavior.
That did not sit well with me.
If you weren't doing that, there's a great torch carrying opportunity for the Back The Blue members of our community!
Have a nice evening.
#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-21 05:48 PM | Reply
"A lot of high school marching bands put on a bit of a show after a football game is over."
I suspected that is a common practice which leads me to believe the tasing was way out of line.
#37 | Posted by danni at 2023-09-21 06:26 PM | Reply
Let me guess little Johnny is an effeminate Mom-Raised idiot who goes by the mantra, "ain't no body can tell me nothing. I'm gonna tell you." Shout Out Messy Michon.
The party was over, it was time to go but dude decided he was going to do his thing.
The cops probably were thankful that the Super Gremlins didn't spin on their opps at the game (a trending activity) and wanted to clear the area as quickly as possible.
Glad Johnny was burned.
Hopefully a great lesson for the all involved.
#38 | Posted by RomeoAlpha at 2023-09-22 09:32 AM | Reply
The party was over, it was time to go but the school administrators from both schools decided that the bands would play 3 songs after the game.
#38 | POSTED BY ROMEOALPHA
I fixed it.
You're welcome.
Reading likely isn't something you do.
#39 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-22 11:15 AM | Reply
They decided it before the game ever started, BTW.
Again, you're welcome.
#40 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-09-22 11:16 AM | Reply
Maybe if he had followed directions by law enforcement he wouldn't have got tazed.
#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-09-22 10:05 PM | Reply
As in any situation. Sometimes you eventually make bank, sometimes you die on the spot.
#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-22 10:10 PM | Reply
@#41 ... Maybe if he had followed directions by law enforcement he wouldn't have got tazed. ...
Yeah, I hear that a lot.
But considering the circumstances, was the reaction of the person Tased appropriate.
I mean, it seems that it was a tradition for the band to play as people exited the stadium.
So why did the police decide to Tase for a routine occurrence?
But my next question would be...
Why did the police seem to think they had to intervene in the first place?
Did the police [intentionally] create the situation that resulted in someone being Tased?
Was that creation of the situation intentional on the part of the police?
Did the police try to deescalate the situation, or did they just go full-on and look to Tase someone?
#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-22 10:16 PM | Reply
I suspect that will not matter. The other band leader stopping when asked is not going to help him much.
Things got to the point the police decide to arrest him, he resisted, so they tazed him. He was not tazed for leading the band, he was tazed because he wouldn't let the police cuff him.
That sounds like the big question.
Did the police try to deescalate the situation
Does not sound like it from anything I have read, although I admit that is not a lot.
#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-22 10:27 PM | Reply
@#44 ... That sounds like the big question. ...
Yup.
That is why my comment led up to that question.
And the deescalation question.
#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-22 10:31 PM | Reply
And so we will wait. A long time.
In my opinion, if you are going to take on the police, in the field, outnumbered 3-1, you had best be very, very careful.
If you are doing it to illustrate a bigger political point, you had best be Jane Fonda.
#46 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-22 10:37 PM | Reply
Maybe if he had followed directions by law enforcement he wouldn't have got tazed. #41 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON
Watch the video. He was complying. The band finished playing and he left his podium. The two cops then followed him and re-engaged thus creating a situation where none existed.
#47 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-22 11:17 PM | Reply
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