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Tuesday, September 26, 2023

A New York judge on Tuesday refused to dismiss state Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth, and ruled Trump and the Trump Organization are liable for fraud..

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Beyond mere bragging about his riches, Trump, his company and key executives repeatedly lied about them on his annual financial statements, reaping rewards such as favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums, Engoron found.

Those tactics crossed a line and violated the law, the judge said, rejecting Trump's contention that a disclaimer on the financial statements absolved him of any wrongdoing.

Everything Trump touches dies.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-26 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a developing story and the reuters story doesn't have the details yet. But probably the biggest deal about this ruling is that Judge Engoron revoked Trump's NY business certificates and ordered the dissolution of Trump's NY based businesses.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-26 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a developing story and the reuters story doesn't have the details yet.

That's why I posted a thread that does have more information. When I started, there was no other thread. By the time I finished compiling the info and Facebook embed, there was this one.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2023-09-26 05:45 PM | Reply

In addition to Trump and his company, this ruling goes against Jr, Eric and Weisselberg. Ivanka was able to get her name taken off the case because of the statute of limitations.

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-26 05:47 PM | Reply

"Trump's contention that a disclaimer on the financial statements absolved him of any wrongdoing."

WTF?!? Like there'd be a disclaimer allowing tax cheats?

Even estimates are expected to be in good faith, and if unsure, LOWER than known parameters, NOT HIGHER.

You can tell the world Trump was raised in: lie constantly, exploit always.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-26 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Quit picking on the fraudulent rapist.

~ IAMRUNT ~

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-09-26 05:50 PM | Reply

#2 yeah but LYD had a better headline.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-26 05:51 PM | Reply

Why thank you.

#8 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-26 05:59 PM | Reply

Trump is a fraudulent grifter? Color me shocked!

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-09-26 06:05 PM | Reply

"Trump is a fraudulent grifter? Color me shocked"

And you'll still vote for all his enablers?

Same color for me!

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-09-26 06:13 PM | Reply

#7

Is that why you defined Trump as "refreshing" and "transparent" immediately after he was elected?

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2023-09-26 06:23 PM | Reply

And when you stated he, (trump) served your "interests and values", where those the values of grifting or fraudsters?
Or were you just being a partisan ass at the time?

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2023-09-26 06:26 PM | Reply

Everyone has always known that Trump has always been a crook, but there are a lot that are just fine with it.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2023-09-26 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The judge didn't throw the book of trump she dropped the book on his mushroom and then compared him to Chico marx. No really she did that.

www.cnn.com

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-26 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ballwasher is a clown

#15 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-26 10:51 PM | Reply

Trump is using his mug shot to campaign with.

It's crazy how democrats are losing to this man.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-09-26 11:13 PM | Reply

It's crazy how democrats are losing to this man.

Not really. They know how to run a government, but they don't know how to get elected. They think policy matters to people.

He knows how to get elected, but has no idea to run a government. And that doesn't bother him or his base.

If either side could do a bit of both the margins would not be so thin.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-09-26 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

trump income go byby?

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2023-09-26 11:58 PM | Reply

Trump is a fraudulent grifter? Color me shocked!

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You forgot to include rapist and national security risk.

#19 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-09-27 01:13 AM | Reply

Trump's a liar and a fraud. Celebrity Apprentice was the only thing that resurrected Trump's game and kept him from becoming insolvent. Even that show as staged BS.

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-09-27 02:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Once it's decided that Trump Org. LLC is found guilty and all its assets must be dissolved, Trump's next biggest problem will be how to keep everything out of a court ordered receivership. Of course, he can move the company name to another state if he can find one willing to put up with the headaches, but not the brick-and-mortar assets, such as Trump Tower or his golf courses which will have to cease operations unless the court assigns someone to oversee their continued operation for the sake of sell value, and take control of the money therefrom.

It doesn't take a long post to predict the end. Trump will be stone, cold broke. His credit rating will be zero. Any mortgages he owes will go on instant recall. All his wealthy friends won't return his phone calls. His PACs will die of starvation. His team of attorneys will be whittled down to one. And Trump himself will be in a prison somewhere in Georgia, still trying to plot the assassination of his enemies.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 04:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#17

Word salad.

This is a partial summary judgment i.e. not final. It adjudicates one limited issue as a matter of law i.e. ripe for later appeal. Other issues remain for resolution at trial.

Speculation about the affect if any is dumb.

#22 | Posted by et_al at 2023-09-27 05:12 AM | Reply

Wouldn't loan that degenerate a nickel. Banda-bing, bada-boom.
~ Tony Soprano

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-09-27 06:03 AM | Reply

What?

You mean the guy who defrauded veterans with his "university" program, who defrauded donors to his "charity", defrauded a childrens cancer charity, who frequently cheated on his wives, who defrauded thousands of morons to surrender their freedom on 1/6, cheats at golf, lied to get out of military service, etc cheated and lied to banks, insurance companies and tax assessors?

GTFO.

Everyone has always known that Trump has always been a crook, but there are a lot that are just fine with it.

The worst thing he did to himself was put a target on himself by being the worst president in history. As a private citizen he probably would've flown under the scrutiny of authorities. Once he became the single biggest ----- president in history and attempted to overthrow our democracy he opened himself up to a level of scrutiny he could not hide from.

Has he gone nukular on Troth Social yet? I expect the whining to be at epic levels today.

#24 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-09-27 07:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Trump's contention that a disclaimer on the financial statements absolved him of any wrongdoing."

Financial statements are ALWAYS the responsibility of management. Auditors test the accuracy of the records and assumptions in the disclosures.

Once Mazors retracted the financial statements they had opined on previously the cat was out of the bag. "While we have not concluded that the various financial statements, as a whole, contain material discrepancies, based upon the totality of the circumstances, we believe our advice to you to no longer rely upon those financial statements is appropriate," Mazars General Counsel William J. Kelly wrote to his Trump Organization counterpart, Alan Garten.

#25 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-09-27 07:41 AM | Reply

The Court can dissolve Trump's businesses and/or disallow them to do business in the state of New York.

Trump Tower could be no more.

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-27 09:56 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by Nixon

Biggest mistake made was way back when NJ let him walk around spouting BS after he bankrupted multiple casinos and they pulled them from him. They were more worried about reviving the casinos than Trump lying his behind off at the time. If they had made a full take down then, I don't think we would be here now.

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-09-27 11:18 AM | Reply

Trump Tower could be no more.

#26 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It would make a great homeless shelter.

Or better yet temporary housing for the immigrants.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-09-27 11:33 AM | Reply

I read the Order.

The Judge just takes Trump apart. He overvalued assets by literal billions even when he had literal appraisals.

A bunch of his businesses can no longer operate and will be sold off.

She even sanctioned his attorneys for rehashing old arguments that already failed on appeal.

The funny part is that most of the case can't be appealed because it was already appealed and lost.

Trump just lost hundreds of millions of dollars, if not closer to a billion.

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-09-27 01:37 PM | Reply

So Much Winning.

This should really help sales of the #MAGA Mug Shot Merch!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-09-27 01:47 PM | Reply

The State certificates for Trump, Org LLC have already been cancelled. The company can no longer do business in the State of New York. Nor can any of the companies that belong to his two sons. The judge said that the offences were so egregious and obvious that he didn't need a trial. There will still be a hearing but only to decide the financial compensation. I have my fingers crossed for a court ordered receivership to sell of Trump's property and pay off his mortgages and any other claimants that he owes them money, including his lawyers and every other small business that he screwed over the years.

This is going to be one hell of a mess.

I guess now we'll know the truth about the rumor that Trump Quit Claimed Mar-a-Lago over to Junior ~ who is also one of the litigants in the New York fraud case, which means that's not going to do Trump any good.

#31 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 02:59 PM | Reply

@#31...

Trump's Business Empire at Risk of Dissolution After New York Ruling
www.bnnbloomberg.ca

... Donald Trump rode down the escalator at Trump Tower to announce he was running for president in 2015. The Fifth Avenue skyscraper had long served as the backdrop to his business success story, which in turn became the foundation for his rise in politics.

Now his control over that property and others could be in jeopardy.

The New York judge who ruled on Tuesday that the former president committed fraud by inflating the value of many of his assets also authorized state Attorney General Letitia James to cancel certificates for companies that hold those assets. Judge Arthur Engoron said James, who sued Trump last year, could seek an order as well barring him and his companies from continuing to conduct business in New York.

At a Wednesday hearing, Engoron gave Trump and James 30 days to recommend the names of potential independent receivers to oversee the dissolution of those companies. The Trump Organization is comprised of some 500 different entities, and the scope of Engoron's order remains unclear. Christopher Kise, a lawyer for Trump, asked the judge if all of the Trump entities face dissolution.

Engoron said the parties and the receiver would "work it out." Kise suggested that Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge who was previously appointed as an independent monitor in the case, could serve as receiver, and lawyers from the attorney general's office expressed openness to the idea. ...


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 03:24 PM | Reply

The Court can dissolve Trump's businesses and/or disallow them to do business in the state of New York.

Trump Tower could be no more.

#26 | Posted by Sycophan

The neighbors would be thrilled!

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-09-27 03:38 PM | Reply

@#32 ... At a Wednesday hearing, Engoron gave Trump and James 30 days to recommend the names of potential independent receivers to oversee the dissolution of those companies. The Trump Organization is comprised of some 500 different entities, and the scope of Engoron's order remains unclear. Christopher Kise, a lawyer for Trump, asked the judge if all of the Trump entities face dissolution.

Engoron said the parties and the receiver would "work it out." ...

With fmr Pres Trump's penchant for delay, delay, delay, the lack of specificity regarding which properties may drag this out for a long while...



#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 04:20 PM | Reply

Trump is worried he might have to give up the pearl necklace he got in Helsinki.

#35 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-09-27 04:37 PM | Reply

Trump lost an appeal to have the federal judge in DC recused. She hasn't been magnanimous with January 6th offenders.

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-09-27 07:23 PM | Reply

@#36 ... Trump lost an appeal to have the federal judge in DC recused. ...

Federal judge declines to recuse herself from Trump election interference case
www.theguardian.com

... The federal judge presiding in Donald Trump's criminal case over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results rejected his request that she recuse herself on Wednesday, ruling the former president failed to show her previous comments about his role in the January 6 Capitol attack meant she could not be impartial.
US district judge Tanya Chutkan.
Who is Tanya Chutkan, the judge assigned to Trump's January 6 case?
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The decision means the case remains with US district judge Tanya Chutkan, who was randomly assigned it after Trump was indicted last month on charges that he unlawfully conspired to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, though Trump can appeal to the DC circuit for a special order known as a mandamus. ...



A set back (major setback?) for fmr Pres Trump.

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 07:33 PM | Reply

And thus begins the long ugly fall of this nation's worst President... Someone wake me up in 3-4 years when it's all over...

#38 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-09-27 08:18 PM | Reply

You gotta feel a little sorry for Axos, an obscure internet bank in San Diego, that bent over backwards to loan Trump a couple million dollars a few months back, a million of which was collateralized by Trump Tower. They just got suckered punched by this latest ruling that shut down Trump.org.

Betcha Trump Tower will be the first thing on the auction block once a receivership is set up. The line forms on the right. Ten cents on the dollar. Take it or leave it.

#39 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 08:30 PM | Reply

@#39 ... You gotta feel a little sorry for Axos, an obscure internet bank in San Diego, ...

I had a savings account with them a couple years back. (really)

Their interest rates were higher than most. Then, it seemed suddenly, they were not, and I moved to breadsavings.com


I had no idea they were involved with fmr Pres Trump.


Wow.


#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 08:38 PM | Reply

@LYD is a moron. I think we mostly agree

#41 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-27 08:55 PM | Reply

Probably shared between Rine and Clownshack.

#42 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-27 08:56 PM | Reply

It should go away. ----.

#43 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-09-27 08:57 PM | Reply

LAMP

Trump was desperate and bank shopping after he got dumped by Deutsch. Nobody else wanted to handle the liability.

Axos wanted to use Trump's name to make a big splash for themselves in the internet banking business. At the time they were actually underfunded to authorize such a big loan but managed a reach-around to get it done.

There's another internet bank called Professional Financial, or some such thing, that Trump squeezed another million dollars out of.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 09:52 PM | Reply

@#44

thx.

San Diego's Axos Bank, Still Lending to Trump, Sees Website, Stock Go Down (July 2023)
timesofsandiego.com

... The website of the San Diego-based online bank scrutinized for its loans to Donald Trump was down for at least five hours Thursday " and so was the stock price of its parent.

A little before noon, a customer service rep for Axos Bank confirmed "an across-the-board outage" " but the site was restored by 12:40 p.m.

Thursday morning, a 3,800-word story was posted by The Washington Post under the headline "Trump needed $225 million. A little-known bank came to the rescue."

"Gregory Garrabrants, a GOP donor and CEO of online Axos Bank, approved the loans after the former president's main lender had cut ties," the paper added.

It wasn't news that Axos lends to the former president " since Newsweek and Forbes in March 2022 had reported large real-estate loans to Trump's company.

But Post reporter Michael Kranish visited the University City offices of Axos Bank and interviewed its president, Garrabrants, for his first public comments on the Trump loans. ...


Wow, I had not a clue about that.

At the time, I was just looking for FDIC-insured high-interest savings accounts, and axos.com was the one. Then something happened, and they suddenly were not the one, so I moved my savings to breadsavings.com.

To be honest, I had no clue about the drama apparently occurring behind the scenes.


#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 10:08 PM | Reply

@#41 ... I think we mostly agree ...

Who, exactly, are the "we" of which your current alias speaks?


thx.

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-27 10:09 PM | Reply

LAMP

At the time Axos wanted to increase its viability as an internet bank. And it worked. After the loan to Trump, their portfolio jumped to a couple $billion$ ~ beyond their wildest dreams.

I have no idea of their current status. Your post seems to imply that they've taken a steep nose dive into trouble.

(Everything Trump touches dies)

#47 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 10:26 PM | Reply

LAMP @ #45

"At the time, I was just looking for FDIC-insured high-interest savings accounts, and axos.com was the one. Then something happened, and they suddenly were not the one."

maybe this will explain what happened:

I can't speak for then but when I went bank shopping recently, I learned that those high interest rates at an online bank only apply to balances under $1,000.

After that it graduates down to $0.01. That's what they pay you to "rent" your money.

#48 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-27 10:53 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

FAT DONNIE LOSER GUILTY OF FRAUD.

Suck it, --------.

#49 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-09-27 11:45 PM | Reply

@#47 ... I have no idea of their current status. ...

From their website...

www.axosbank.com

... Earn up to 0.61% APY At Axos Bank, we liberate customers from the constraints of traditional banking. Because we're digital, our overhead costs are lower than traditional banks. Smarter savings means more money for you....


From the breadsavings website....

savings.breadfinancial.com

... High-yield savings 5.00% APY2 ...

Of course, you have to visit the respective website to see all the disclaimers and conditions.

YMMV and all that.

... (Everything Trump touches dies) ...

Yeah, that seems to be the case here with axos.com.


#50 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-09-28 12:20 AM | Reply

"YMMV"

Does that mean the same thing as Buyer Beware?

#51 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-28 05:52 AM | Reply

One thing Biden has over Trump, is that Biden has never begged anyone to pay his legal bills.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2023-09-28 12:05 PM | Reply

Trump is using his mug shot to campaign with.
It's crazy how democrats are losing to this man.

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2023-09-26 11:13 PM

Maybe it says something about how bad the Biden camp is?

#53 | Posted by shwankola at 2023-09-28 03:13 PM | Reply

SHWANKOLA

Or, most likely, how willfully stupid the Trump camp is.

It's not possible they've missed the felonies and indictments, 91 in total. So, yeah, "willfully" is the correct word.

You sound like one of them. Look in a mirror and point the finger of shame at yourself for being so gullible.

We've got 25 years vested in Biden's public service with nary a single scandal.

What do you have?

#54 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-28 03:59 PM | Reply

Appeals court will not delay Donald Trump civil fraud trial

www.reuters.com

The trial starts Monday. Other matters to be decided are charges of conspiracy, false statements & records, the $250,000,000 fine the NY AG wants to impose, and other matters.

#55 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2023-09-28 05:52 PM | Reply

Hey, I want to buy Mara Lago for $18M. I am guessing I can get most banks to finance that.

#56 | Posted by sawdust at 2023-09-28 06:51 PM | Reply

AU

I have a question about the Receivership of Trump Org.

Now that the company has lost its business certificate in the State of New York, can it still be a parent company of any out-of-state properties?

#57 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-09-29 01:25 AM | Reply

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