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Friday, November 17, 2023

The protest started around 8 a.m., blocking traffic for hours. Three couriers trying to deliver organs for transplants were also caught in the delays. At least one surgery was canceled.

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Nothing quite like stopping people during rush hour to win them over to your side. Probably getting PR tips from Chris Christie.

#1 | Posted by censored at 2023-11-17 02:59 PM | Reply

Since when is "Stop the Genocide" pro-Hamas?

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-17 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stop the Genocide" pro-Hamas
- sycophant

Since Hamas is hiding behind Palestinians.

Logically, one can't ignore this fact and say Israel is commiting Genocide.

If one is ignoring it, and proclaiming Israel is commiting genocide, one must be supportive of Hamas hiding behind Palestinians.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-11-17 04:03 PM | Reply

Since Hamas is hiding behind Palestinians.
Logically, one can't ignore this fact and say Israel is commiting Genocide.
If one is ignoring it, and proclaiming Israel is commiting genocide, one must be supportive of Hamas hiding behind Palestinians.

#3 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

So since Hamas is hiding behind Palestinians, it's fine to kill as many civilians as Israel wants?

That might be the dumbest, most twisted "reasoning" I've seen on this site.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-17 04:07 PM | Reply

So since Hamas is hiding behind Palestinians, it's fine to kill as many civilians as Israel wants?[...] #4 | Posted by Sycophant

No, Israel should use due care to minimize civilian casualties. But allowing terrorists to absolutely hide behind civilians leads to only one result. And that is a result that none of us should want unless we are in the terrorists' corner.

#5 | Posted by censored at 2023-11-17 04:26 PM | Reply

If You're not With Us, You're Against Us... Haven't I heard that somewhere before?

... Oh yeah,..Baby Bush's Terror War... Be Afraid,Be Very Afraid...

Those Islamic Killers are under the bed..in my room.....

... It's so Scary...

Censored is a -----..

Or Coward, if you prefer.

All those Palestinian children are gonna kill everyone in Israel and eliminate it's very existence if they aren't all Slaughtered...

The World's only Jewish State is in Peril.

We must stand with Israel...

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-11-18 05:13 AM | Reply

No, Israel should use due care to minimize civilian casualties. But allowing terrorists to absolutely hide behind civilians leads to only one result. And that is a result that none of us should want unless we are in the terrorists' corner.

#5 | POSTED BY CENSORED

You literally just said the same thing: kill them civilians.

Just say you are pro-genocide.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 10:16 AM | Reply

It's also permissible under the Geneva Conventions to kill civilians if they are being used as human shields.

As a belligerent, HAMAS has the duty under the GC to separate itself from the civilian population. Like not using hospitals for a military purpose.

HAMAS is not doing that, but rather is using the Palestinian population as protection. That's a war crime.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 11:59 AM | Reply

Targeting a hospital is also a war crime

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-11-20 12:04 PM | Reply

It's also permissible under the Geneva Conventions to kill civilians if they are being used as human shields.
#8 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No. They are still considered protected persons.

It only gets tricky if its voluntary. Are you arguing the infants in the hospital volunteered to be human shields?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 12:40 PM | Reply

Like not using hospitals for a military purpose.
#8 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Also they aren't using hospitals as military bases or civilian shields.

How do we know for certain? Israel has now admitted it.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 12:54 PM | Reply

"Since when is "Stop the Genocide" pro-Hamas?"

"From the River to the Sea" is a call for genocide. Sounds HAMASish to me.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 01:24 PM | Reply

"Targeting a hospital is also a war crime"

Negative. You can absolutely bomb a protected entity if it is being used for a valid military function.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 01:26 PM | Reply

"No. They are still considered protected persons."

They are still non-combatants, yes. But if they are in a facility that is being used for a valid military function by a belligerent, that facility is a legal target.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 01:27 PM | Reply

"Also they aren't using hospitals as military bases or civilian shields. How do we know for certain? Israel has now admitted it."

Two hours ago, NBC posted a picture of a HAMAS tunnel at Al-Shifa.

Israel doesn't share it's Itelligence with me, but I think if they are even half as sophisticated as the US is, they're collecting all sorts of intelligence that would be used to characterize a target.

What I know for a fact is that ISIS was using a large (functioning) hospital in the Syrian town of Hajin up to the last few months of the caliphate. ISIS and HAMAS are not that different. We elected not to hit the hospital. It would have killed more civilians than ISIS, and wouldn't have had much impact on the operational environment. Someone else had a different opinion and ended up blowing the place up.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 01:37 PM | Reply

"No. They are still considered protected persons."
They are still non-combatants, yes. But if they are in a facility that is being used for a valid military function by a belligerent, that facility is a legal target.
#14 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No. They are still considered protected persons, not merely non-combatants. This is settled law.

Whether a facility is a valid target has nothing to do with it. Valid military targets have to do with whether it is being used for a military function and what type of facility it is.

But the presence of civilians means despite being a valid target, it may still be a war crime to bomb it.

This is not rocket science and you are confusing two legal terms.

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 01:39 PM | Reply

"Since when is "Stop the Genocide" pro-Hamas?"
"From the River to the Sea" is a call for genocide. Sounds HAMASish to me.

#12 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

No, it's a call for a One State Solution.

You really are dense, aren't you?

But it's cute you pretend these "Stop the Genocide" protesters were also saying "From the River to the Sea."

Just say it, Palestinians aren't People in your book.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 01:41 PM | Reply

But if they are in a facility that is being used for a valid military function by a belligerent, that facility is a legal target.
#14 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And if they are physically incapable of leaving said facility? (e.g., bedridden patients in hospital)

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-11-20 01:51 PM | Reply

But the presence of civilians means despite being a valid target, it may still be a war crime to bomb it.[...]#16 | Posted by Sycophant

Yes, it depends on proportionality. I believe that there is a difference of opinion on whether Israel's use of force is proportionate to the threat presented by those illegally using civilians as a human shield.

#19 | Posted by censored at 2023-11-20 02:32 PM | Reply

"This is not rocket science and you are confusing two legal terms."

You know this is what I do for a living, right?

I mean, if you have experience in targeting, feel free to share it. But in Syria most of the targets we dropped against were houses or schools or some other civilian building, which means they were protected entities. "Were" being the operative word. That protection goes away the minute a belligerent begins using it for a military purpose.

Terrorists generally don't follow the Geneva Conventions or the Law of Armed Conflict.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 02:56 PM | Reply

"And if they are physically incapable of leaving said facility? (e.g., bedridden patients in hospital)"

Yep. You can still bomb it.

The hospital in Hajin was a particularly difficult target. In a hospital, even non-kinetic effects can produce lethal outcomes.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-11-20 02:58 PM | Reply

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