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Sunday, November 19, 2023

Riding high on $65 billion worth of recent acquisitions and a 60% share-price rally during the past two years, Exxon Mobil Corp. Chief Executive Officer Darren Woods delivered a tough message to government officials and executives gathered in San Francisco on Wednesday.

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... "To get serious about net zero, the world needs to get real," he said in a speech at the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation CEO Summit. "We cannot replace overnight an energy system that took 150 years to build."

As the world's largest investor-owned oil and gas company, and the subject of several climate-deception lawsuits, Exxon appears to be one of the least-qualified companies to pontificate on the energy transition. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-18 07:08 PM | Reply

I agree that replacing the infrastructure that took 150 years to build won't be replaced over night. There will certainly be growing pains involved. Nothing is really ready for a snap change over to EVs. Nor are EVs the total answer to everyone's driving habits and needs. Much of the EV technology is still under development and it shows, such as the removing of licensing approval for the Cruise driverless taxis. It's getting closer but it's not here yet. Tesla has been in court over and over about it's autopilot, which it claims has to be under human supervision at all times, yet that's not what it's marketing implies.

#2 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-11-18 11:43 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Nor are EVs the total answer to everyone's driving habits and needs ...

Bingo!

EVs may be The Solution.

Or not.

It is too soon to tell.

EVs seem to be a current fad, a revolt against Big Oil, and little more.

So, where will we be for transportation 50 years from now?


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-19 02:07 AM | Reply

Xymox - Imagination (1989)
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Lyrics excerpt...

genius.com

...
I have come to indecision
Someone is pushing me
All the cities, subways, rivers
No direction left for me

I have lost my way home early
I don't care cause I won't stay there
All I hear is this silent whisper
Will you be here again?

...

Choose and change, you say
How can you let this run away
See the storms through your broken window
See the beauty of the falling rain, I say
Every day I've been without you
Every shadow follows me
Can't you see you left your traces
In too many faces

Imagination takes the shadows away
Every day I've been without you
Imagination keeps the shadows away
Every day I stay without you
Too many times - without you
...


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-19 03:10 AM | Reply

EVs may be The Solution.

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2023-11-19 02:07 AM | REPLY

PHEV are best current solution until hydrogen is realistic.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-19 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They're not underdeveloped. We're 26 years into production Hybrids and 10 years into PHEV. We're 9 years into Formula One cars being hybrids.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-19 10:47 AM | Reply

The "constructive approach" is for governments to back the industry's technological efforts to reduce emissions " such as carbon capture " with taxpayer funds, he said.

Eventually he got to the real point, which is they want to be rewarded for lying and knowingly creating a problem by presenting themselves as the solution.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2023-11-19 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, where will we be for transportation 50 years from now?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

I read one futurist's scenario that said the future is communal usage of self-driving cars. For most people, their car sits far more than being driven, so why pay for all the expenses that go with car ownership?

Car drives itself to you, you drive it, car returns to some central location or sits at your house until someone else needs it.

#8 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2023-11-20 07:01 AM | Reply

We could have started 50 years ago.

But Exxon and others lied about the science.

Republicans continue to lie about the science.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-20 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"They're not underdeveloped."

So, you're saying ICEs from the 20's wouldn't be considered "underdeveloped" compared to today's ICEs?

#10 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-11-20 12:17 PM | Reply

So, where will we be for transportation 50 years from now?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter
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Ideally, we would be where Germany is today. With rail service or bus service to near every small hamlet and village across it's national boundaries. Meaning to travel anywhere doesn't mean you have to own a car. Admittedly, we have much more ground to cover than Germany when it comes to getting to everyone. Those outside the walking distance, still need a method of conveyance to get to a central hub of a small village.

Our problem to me is these continual never ending wars. That's where a lot of our money (and hence inflation) is going in a non-returnable fashion. It's not being invested in infrastructure, which would be what was needed and the years it would take to actually see it done. I suspect the current generation of boomers would not readily accept mass transit but the younger generations would see it as a big benefit or boon. It just takes less money to do mass transit than it does for everyone to have a vehicle.

#11 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-11-20 09:14 PM | Reply

@#11 ... Ideally, we would be where Germany is today. With rail service or bus service to near every small hamlet and village across it's national boundaries. ...

When i used to visit The Netherlands quarterly (circa, early 2000's), one thing that caught my attention was the public transportation infrastructure and how much is great folk of that Country relied upon it.

Yeah, not just Germany.


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-20 09:33 PM | Reply

Yeah, not just Germany.

Welcome to Europe. Big airports are also major rail/bus hubs and ferry hubs when coastal.

US hubs are generally RAM dealerships.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-11-20 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#13 ... Welcome to Europe. Big airports are also major rail/bus hubs and ferry hubs when coastal. ...

Yeah, in my business trips, I was amazed how easy it was for me to get from the landing gate to my hotel using public transportation. And do keep in mind that Dutch is not a language I understood. (I do give credit for the great people of The Netherlands for accepting my use of English.)

I mean, friggin' wow.

Easy and convenient.

Why can't we do that here in the States?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-20 09:54 PM | Reply

"Why can't we do that here in the States?"

It costs a lot of money, and many people who you imagine would benefit from it don't particularly want it enough for their taxes to go up to pay for it.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 10:02 PM | Reply

@#15

I do not disagree.

Long term vs short term.

Yeah, that's a tough proposition to propose.


This seems to be a newsworthy event here in this region...

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Our convenient Grand Central departure is centrally located to many hotels, homes, and businesses. This location is only a short walk or cab ride to/from anywhere in Manhattan or continue your journey via the various connections available in the Grand Central terminal. ...



#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-11-20 10:10 PM | Reply

Why can't we do that here in the States?

Cuz Freedom.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-11-20 10:21 PM | Reply

"Why can't we do that here in the States?"

#14 | Posted by LampLighter
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I've never been to The Netherlands, I have been to Germany. Were the national directive set on that we could.

One of the main problems is Wall Street and it's demand of "what have you done for us today". Short term profits over long term benefits. Among other things, one of the drivers for the EV demand that has been made but not announced to the public (negative PR). Should they ever become the replacement in total for the IC engine, the auto industry would reap another major profit goal. Replacing the majority of vehicles now on the road.

Going against that, the oil industry who would stand to lose a major portion of their profit with a slope of less demand, increasing as the years go by.

As it is, the nation's infrastructure has been put on the back burner for decades as we fight these forever wars with no end, going from one place to the next. This nation built an interstate system and going back in the past a railroad, spanning coast to coast. There is no doubt in my mind, should the national directive go towards mass transit through out, it could be done over decades of time, as it would take that. Fighting battles in court over the land to do this, using imminent domain to buy those out who would not sell, takes a lot of time before construction could even begin.

#18 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-11-21 05:21 AM | Reply

This article should be retitled, "Exxon cries foul, and says we should still support billions in subsidies for Exxon..."

cue the Whaaaaaaaaaambulance...

#19 | Posted by earthmuse at 2023-11-21 06:50 AM | Reply

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