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Richest 1% Account for More Carbon Emissions Than Poorest 66%, Report Says
The richest 1% of humanity is responsible for more carbon emissions than the poorest 66%, with dire consequences for vulnerable communities and global efforts to tackle the climate emergency, a report says.
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Is this a weird way of pointing out they own factories?
#1 | Posted by Tor at 2023-11-20 03:36 PM | Reply
would we feel better if pollution was distributed more evenly?
#2 | Posted by eberly at 2023-11-20 04:42 PM | Reply
We might feel better if the cost of the clean up/prevention were re likewise distributed.
#3 | Posted by Corky at 2023-11-20 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"would we feel better if pollution was distributed more evenly?"
The probably false hope is if the harm from pollution was distributed back to those who created it more evenly, the richest 1% would be causing less harm from pollution.
This is all about privatizing the gains and socializing the losses. Which is what normally happens. Climate is no exception, and perhaps a notably egregious example.
#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2
#2
Are you really going to attempt to defend the wealthy on this?
#5 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-11-20 04:59 PM | Reply
Is this a weird way of pointing out they own factories? #1 | POSTED BY TOR
Isn't it weird to own the factories but not the pollution?
If I eat a candy bar and throw the wrapper out my car window, that's littering. Why isn't the stuff coming out of the tailpipe also pollution. And all the microplastics coming off the tires too.
#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:00 PM | Reply
POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2023-11-20 04:42 PM | REPLY
Do we in America really care about pollution?? We may have laws against pollution here that doesn't mean we are against it in places like China. No we go out of our way to mov e manufacturing to China simply because they don't have lax anti pollution laws.
#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-11-20 05:04 PM | Reply
No one's paying you to litter candy wrappers.
#8 | Posted by Tor at 2023-11-20 05:06 PM | Reply
5
Are you gonna attempt to pretend you're not the guilty party?
#9 | Posted by eberly at 2023-11-20 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
"No one's paying you to litter candy wrappers."
Lots of people get paid to drive.
#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:10 PM | Reply
"Are you really going to attempt to defend the wealthy on this?"
That's what he does. It's a knee-jerk response. Don't think about it too much; he didn't.
#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:11 PM | Reply
Maybe you should read the article and see how they defined "richest 1% "
#12 | Posted by eberly at 2023-11-20 05:12 PM | Reply
-Do we in America really care about pollution??
We at least pretend to care about it when we believe it's somebody else doing it, and not ourselves.
the attached article implicates a lot of people who would have thought when reading the headline, they weren't included in the 1%
#13 | Posted by eberly at 2023-11-20 05:22 PM | Reply
"The most comprehensive study of global climate inequality ever undertaken shows that this elite group, made up of 77 million people including billionaires, millionaires and those paid more than US$140,000 (112,500) a year"
A bit of a mixed message, as millionaire and billionaire refers to wealth, but paid more than $140k refers to income.
#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:24 PM | Reply
#14 that's what it says.
#15 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-11-20 05:36 PM | Reply
People buy what the factories produce and those are likely the source of most of the pollution. I'd like to see green factories or at least ones with a reduced carbon footprint.
#16 | Posted by Tor at 2023-11-20 05:37 PM | Reply
"People buy what the factories produce and those are likely the source of most of the pollution. I'd like to see green factories or at least ones with a reduced carbon footprint."
The fact that you don't have that option as a consumer undermines the claim that you as the consumer are the cause of the pollution.
#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:41 PM | Reply
How?
#18 | Posted by Tor at 2023-11-20 05:42 PM | Reply
You'd like to see green factories or at least ones with a reduced carbon footprint.
Why didn't your spending build them?
#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 05:44 PM | Reply
#16 | Posted by Tor
Many EV makers are using green factories. The BMW i3 was the first I think. The fisker Ocean is made out of ton of recycled stuff and has a green powered factory. There are others. And more on the way.
#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-11-20 05:48 PM | Reply
Thank you speak softly. Like I said I'd prefer green factories and I'm not alone.
#21 | Posted by Tor at 2023-11-20 05:55 PM | Reply
#1 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2023-11-20 03:36 PM | FLAG:
This is about the global 1%. To be in the global 1%, all you need is a 60k after taxes and no kids. If you are married with 1 kid you only need $130k after taxes.
It's more than factories. It's an automotive based lifestyle, easy air travel, absurd amounts of electronics, etc.
#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-20 06:49 PM | Reply
"To be in the global 1%, all you need is a 60k after taxes and no kids."
No kids, that's gonna rule out a lot of people.
In the article it's 77 million people. Maybe half of them would be Americans. Roughly one in ten Americans.
#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-20 07:33 PM | Reply
Probably about right. It should be roughly around the number of homeowners in the US. Even a 200 sq ft box in LA runs $100k.
Carbon footprint is pegged to net worth, always has been and will be. Offsets are fake, just greenwashing.
#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-21 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
When polled it's as consistent as carbon output and net worth's causation, people want to save the planet, nobody wants to change their lifestyle to do it, and get annoyed at greenwashed marketing where somebody shows up on a PJ to tell them to reduce their lifestyle.
#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-21 10:34 AM | Reply
Dont talk to us here in the U.S.
Talk to China, Singapore, India, Pakistan and Indonesia first.
Lets see how far you get there and how far you "hold them accountable"..
LOL..
#26 | Posted by boaz at 2023-11-21 08:18 PM | Reply
We have to make other countries clean up, before we clean up our own act? That's a tu quoque fallacy.
#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-11-22 08:54 AM | Reply
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