"school district" is incomplete.
School district taxpayers is the way it should read.
Don't school districts carry insurance for this kind of stuff?
If not, and even if they have something akin to E&O, can the board members --who are the only people to blame-- be sued by the city? I don't remember the details but I do recall San Fransisco suing its' own school board for something or other a few years ago.

What do you have against religion?
Not necessarily religion, it's other people's religion he doesn't like.

Do tell on what are your morals founded?
Human solidarity.? Intuition.? Because I dont want someone to do bad things to me.? Reciprocity.?
The human founders of your religion could have never made it that far if they believed lying, stealing and cheating were kosher.

My 6yo nephew is out of school and staying with me for a few days. I bet he can answer your question. Do you want me to ask him to explain base level morality to you?

those are just words
Yours are just words, too.

You of all people clearly don't feel any real obligation to others.
And you this this how? Oh, words.

... you know this ...

But those are "just words".
So words mean something when it suits you and don't mean anything when it suits you.
Got it.
Thanks for clearing that up.

some of the garbage
receipts?

Thou shall not bare false witness!
Don't worry though, it's just words.

I do think that two grown men who want to fight should fight.
"bloodlust"
ROFL

who pays for them....taxpayers.
Fair enough, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that losing 200k in a lawsuit doesn't necessarily mean band or art or shop will be cut from the school budget as was suggested.

#38
Fallen off the wagon again, eh?

Interesting you would say that since you wouldn't be the first violent drunk to make a fool of himself.
I don't drink, lush. I was a bartender in college though and have a nose for these things, you wreak of it.

#43
Only half? Piker.

OSS - The chief agency responsible for rounding up the NAZIs for execution bringing them to America and giving them jobs in the Intelligence and military sectors.
Joseph Goebbels, literally Minister of Propaganda, avowed Catholic until the day he died. Only NAZI ever ex-communicated - for marrying a Protestant.

Nice sources, guys. If you stooped any lower you'd be swimming in crocodile piss.

murder the Socialists in the Party
How did the Catholic Church fare in the Third Reich?

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3

....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
- Adolf Hitler (following the position of Martin Luther), Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews; whereas our modern Christians enter into party politics and when elections are being held they debase themselves to beg for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with the atheistic Jewish parties against the interests of their own Christian nation.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.
- Adolf Hitler Berlin speech 1939

their public propaganda
So you can buh-lieve propaganda when it comes from a professional liar, The Minister of Propaganda, and then not buh-lieve propaganda from the horse's mouth.

I'll ask again, how did the Catholic Church fare in the Third Reich? Not words, not propaganda. Actions. Legislation. Laws. Money. Power.

OK, Ill ask again:
How. Did. The. Catholic. Church. Fare. In. The. Third. Reich. ?.

Don't give me a link, put it in your own words.

doesn't seem you've read any of the scholarship on the matter in the links.
I've read plenty. But not reading anything at all is better than only reading the things you want to agree with, things you want to be true.
I don't really care one way or another what religion Hitler may or may not have followed. His actions are what is important. You however have to believe he wasn't a "real" Christian. You can't believe your religion was responsible for the worst catastrophe in history, a catastrophe we will never fully recover from. Your whole world view falls apart if the Church and the Third Reich are bound together in Holy matrimony.

If Hitler betrayed the alliance he made with The Church, that would be no surprise.
So The Vicar of Christ on Earth, handpicked by God himself to sit the Throne of St. Peter, was duped you say?
Before the betrayal, when the The Church agreed to dismantle The Centre Party and pave the way for Hitler's election as Chancellor; Do you think the pope knew what he was doing or did he fall for another bamboozle?

without a shred of skepticism
I've got plenty of skepticism. You're the one ready to fall hook-line-sinker for one line from Goebbels right before he bit the cyanide and had finally recognized ------- madness. He wasn't making that statement to clear Hitler's record, he was disavowing him from his beloved Church.

If you want to know if a person is a Christian, ask them. But them you have to be prepared to accept the answer.

his relationship was with the church
Now we are getting somewhere. So you admit there was a relationship.

Erase that relationship completely from history, this should an easy hypothetical because it's something you want; Does Hitler get elected in 1933?
yes/no
no links

Why won't you do the twenty centuries before that?
Dammit, Snoofy!
Now he's going to run away for the umpteenth time only to make that absurd statement two weeks from now for the umpteenth time.

A spy in every confessional
That's actually right on the money.
In the late '20s-early'30s many German Jews joined Catholic Churches so they could claim conversion and be spared, they even got Baptized. Those Parish role-books were instrumental to the SS in finding the Jews hiding in their ranks and swiftly handed over to NAZIs after Hitler was elected.

the fate of anyone who defied hitler
No one could possibly refute the countless, 10s of thousand for sure, maybe 100s of thousands, of faithful people under the Third Reich who stood up to ------ and were murdered for it. And if you notice, no one is doing that here. Jgersttter did his duty as a man and a husband and as a leader of his community. But he betrayed his commitment to The Church. He disobeyed Jesus' order to "give unto Caesar".

You think Christians should be obedient to insane dictators?
No, I don't. Your Jesus does. Caesar, as you should know, named himself "Dictator for Life".

Enlighten me, then. Please.
What did Jesus really mean when he ordered you to, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
Under whose watch was the Third Reich? Caesar's or God's?

some things that did not belong to Caesar
So, obviously some things do belong to Caesar.
Feel free to claim the Third Reich, the Catholic right-wing under it and the catastrophe the two of them created as God's possessions. But you're much to clever to do that (Tor isn't).

Surely both of you are smart enough to see how this sort of ambiguity --apparently it's so complicated you need to be a theologian to know what it really means-- is at face value a command to accept those things that are Caesar's, like the laws of Third Reich.
Wouldn't it be reasonable for an otherwise decent German, who isn't a 'theologian', to read Matthew, throw his hands up in frustration and accept he should follow Holy Scripture even if he doesn't fully understand it? Additionally, isn't Matthew's account of what Jesus supposedly said an open invitation for any right-wing Priest to command his flock to follow the literal instructions?

#104
as Steven Weinberg put it:
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

One supposes that as a self described Anarchist
Meh, it's my silent protest to a site supposedly devoted to leftist but doesn't have a political ideology further left than "Liberal".
No one ever brings it up except when they know they are losing an argument. Makes for a good --yeah, but what about this ~~nervously tries to change the subject~~
Boaz and BJohnson and Sheeple have all done it. That's what level you're on now.

telling them not to throw their lives away in the ongoing rebellion against Rome, which they could never win
Exactly. Render unto Caesar and live. Render unto Hitler and live. Forget your duty to your family and friends and country or your own conscience. Just go along along with the NAZIs and live. You can't win anyway.
Strange position to take if Paradise awaits.
Credulousness into full blown psychopathy and put on offer, demanded when you have the power, as a prescription for moral cowardice.

Not content to just wear chains, you're proud of them.

25 percent of the vote
More like 37% then the Catholic Centre Party pushed The Enabling Act through the Reichstag, a concordant was signed with The Vatican that forbid any 'good' Priest from speaking out against the government in exchange for control of parochial schools (which the Fuhrer swiftly ignored) the Party was ordered to disband and the game was won.
But I'm talking about after the game was won. When the good people of Germany were in a fight "they couldn't win". That's the moral cowardice I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you know that. You're just playing a shell game because that's all you can do. After Hitler had total control, that's when the 'good' Christians rolled over and showed their bellies. Which is precisely what the Bible, Jesus, Matthew and the pope told them to do. Of course many of the Catholics didn't just render to Caesar, they were euphoric about Hitler. The "25%" (closer to 37% depending on which election cycle we're talking about) you mentioned WERE THE CATHOLICS. They had finally triumphed in Bismarck's Kulturkampf long-waged against them. God had delivered a resounding victory to them. 2,000 years of antisemitism pouring out of The Church had finally paid off and they were ready for their revenge to begin.

Context is your friend.
That's ironic coming from you. Context is the one thing you don't want to talk about. On the rare occasion you do get into the details you're proven to be objectively wrong and change the subject or run away.