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Tuesday, November 28, 2023

Tens of thousands of Gazans are making the most difficult of choices, leaving homes behind to survive the ferocious Israeli military barrage. More than 13,000 Palestinians have been killed as of Nov. 21, according to the Gazan health authorities. "The corridor is not humanitarian, and it's unsafe," Gaza resident Mohammed Al-Sabti said. "It's an area of horror."

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Is it ok to talk ---- about Jews now?

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2023-11-28 02:18 PM | Reply

Are you being deliberately obtuse? No. If you want to talk about the Zionists in Israel and the far right government - have at it.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2023-11-28 04:01 PM | Reply

Is it ok to talk ---- about Jews now?
#1 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTURDS

Only if you're from Charlottesville, Virginia and have a tiki torch.

Then you can match around shouting, "Jews will not replace us!" and the president will call you, "very fine people."

You Trumpers are morons.

Also. Being critical of Israel has zero to do with religion.

Jewish people in Israel and across America have been calling for a ceasefire.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-28 04:13 PM | Reply

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

It's lfthndturds.

He's just dumb.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-28 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also. Being critical of Israel has zero to do with religion.

I'm okay with criticizing the concept that any religion deserves to have its own country, but that's also not really a criticism of Judaism.

When does Israel to pick a fight with China, since why don't Tibetan Buddhist Monks deserve to have their own country too?

Maybe someone who supports Israel's right to exist because of Zionism can explain why they don't support Zionism for Tibet.

Maybe Utah should secede from the Union so Mormons can have their Promised Land while we're at it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-28 04:16 PM | Reply

Also. Being critical of Israel has zero to do with religion. - Clownhut

Not true, for some sure like Snoofy, but not for you.

When does Israel to pick a fight with China,

Well CCP helped Hamas build the tunnels, now you stand with Hamas, and China.

Maybe someone who supports Israel's right to exist because of Zionism can explain why they don't support Zionism for Tibet.

What would "Zionism for Tibet" look like? That being asked, I do support Tibetan Monks having their own country, and I am Chinese.

You don't?

How do you support Tibetan Monks having their own country but not Jewish people in Israel?

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-11-28 04:26 PM | Reply

Being critical of Israel has zero to do with religion.

Not true

Explain.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-28 06:49 PM | Reply

It's lfthndturds.
He's just dumb.

#4 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I can't NW flag that enough.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2023-11-28 08:30 PM | Reply

Well, they could stay with their homes and wait to see what Iseral has in store for them after the hostages are released and the cease fire has run its course.

#9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2023-11-28 10:43 PM | Reply

Makes Russia look almost Restrained in Ukraine.

The Hypocrisy the Western States show on this is Telling.

"Rules Based" Order is just whatever the US wants to do.

It's totally self serving and has no basis in International Law.

The same logic that starved half a million Iraqis.

That killed a million more when the Unprovoked Invasion swept though.

Israel and the US...Tag teaming War Crimes with No Accountability.

Each backing the Other.......

Like an Axis of Evil...

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-11-28 11:48 PM | Reply

The Palestinians could turn on Hamas and kill them all and finally vote for a real government and not be held hostage by these terrorist pretending to be a legitimate state. Iran's nasty ass Moslem mullah fascist government(whom the vast majority of their own people hate and want gone) is the key to all of this BS murdering and war and needs to be brought down for it to end. The Saudi dictatorship was about to sign a peace treaty with Israel and then Iran ordered their murdering rapist scum in Hamas to start this war so as to derail that peace treaty. Facts are that the Jews actually lived together in peace prior to the formation of the Jewish state but the Arab religious racists in several neighboring states could not tolerate this so we have had endless war for over seventy years. Anybody that advocate for Hamas is a boot licking lackey of Iran and is in no way shape or form an advocate for peace like they tell us. Hamas is exactly the same as ISIS, Al Queda and the Taliban. How many hard core leftists or right wing morons recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan so, why on earth would you support Hamas which has not had an election in over fifteen years and regularly murders and tortures their fellow Palestinians? The leaders of this group are billionaires living large back in Qatar and England and get their money from taxing anything that comes into Gaza, meanwhile the Palestinians live in this 'so-called' "open prison". The West subsidies Palestine with billions upon billions of dollars and Hamas uses even the water pipes that the West gave them to make projectiles to attack the Israelis and then complain they have no way to get water.....Give me a break! Many of those Jews that employed Palestinian workers to come to Israel lost family or had their daughter gang raped and then murdered now see the light about Hamas and will never let their guard down again. Too bad the dullards in the West that pretend to be progressives missed that memo. I expect more from them but would never expect the stupid Trumpanzees to understand.

#11 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2023-11-29 09:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11 | POSTED BY WILDMAN62

Never seen so many lies in one post before. It's like you read an Israeli propaganda piece and vomited it word for word.

"The Palestinians could turn on Hamas and kill them all and finally vote for a real government and not be held hostage by these terrorist pretending to be a legitimate state."
HAMAS provides the basic services for much of Gaza. The Gaza Strip is dependent on Hamas. Palestine doesn't get to decide when to have elections. Israel sends Hamas a lot of money to prop them up. And you are confusing Hamas, the government, with Hamas, the military wing. Israel funded Hamas prior to the last election to get rid of the PLO. And it continues to fund Hamas directly to stop less radical groups from taking over and removing Israel's justification for ending the apartheid and stealing land.

"The Saudi dictatorship was about to sign a peace treaty with Israel and then Iran ordered their murdering rapist scum in Hamas to start this war so as to derail that peace treaty."
Iran doesn't control Hamas. It only sends them money and weapons.

"Facts are that the Jews actually lived together in peace prior to the formation of the Jewish state but the Arab religious racists in several neighboring states could not tolerate this so we have had endless war for over seventy years."
This literally had nothing to do with the wars. Jews actually were mainly living in peace side by side with Muslims in the Middle East prior to the creation of Israel. The Western powers stole land from the Palestinians to create Israel. And since then, Israel has operated an apartheid state with horrible living conditions for Palestine while at the same time stealing more land.

"Hamas is exactly the same as ISIS, Al Queda and the Taliban."
You have to be pretty stupid to believe this and ignore all of the present situation and history.

"How many hard core leftists or right wing morons recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan so, why on earth would you support Hamas which has not had an election in over fifteen years and regularly murders and tortures their fellow Palestinians?"
Again, Palestine doesn't get to have elections. You have no idea how anything works apparently.

"The leaders of this group are billionaires living large back in Qatar and England and get their money from taxing anything that comes into Gaza, meanwhile the Palestinians live in this 'so-called' "open prison"."
And most of that money is used for essential services in Palestine. But this is an apt criticism but most of the net worth is from land ownership. However, actually getting that money and anything that could be bought with it into Gaza is nearly impossible. You are also not understanding the difference between Gaza and the West Bank. Conditions in the West Bank are entirely different. There is far more infrastructure, economic activity, freedom and security for Palestinians. It's a larger place with far more people. Whereas the Gaza Strip is under constant blockade.

"The West subsidies Palestine with billions upon billions of dollars and Hamas uses even the water pipes that the West gave them to make projectiles to attack the Israelis and then complain they have no way to get water.....Give me a break!"
Palestinians and Hamas aren't allowed more than a certain amount of water no matter how many pipes they have. Israel controls the water supply. And the subsidies are only about a billion per year in total from all the West. That's not a lot for 4.5 million people who aren't allowed to have their own economy or trade.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-29 11:26 AM | Reply

"open prison"
It's Open Air Prison. It's definitely not just an Open Prison. There is no coming and going without Israeli permission. The Gaza Strip is under Israeli blockade for people and goods. Israel has a food commission that allows only enough food based on their calorie allotment plan. Water is controlled by Israel who takes most of the water for itself from Gaza's water sources. Palestine only gets water, food, medical supplies, and fuel as Israel allows. They are not allowed cement. Farm land is taken by Israel. Seeds are not allowed to be sent to Gaza. Palestinians do not get due process. If accused of a crime, they have no attorney, no right to a court case, etc. There is no right to self defense. 20% of Gaza Strip Palestinians have been in Israel prisons where Israel admits it tortures them. Many of these prisoners are children, some as young as 5 or 6. The IDF and Israeli citizens can and do kill them with impunity. They kill hundreds of children per year. Israel continues to simply take land from Palestinians and kick them out of their homes. Israelis literally throw ---- and trash at Palestinians when they use walkways near Israel.

"Many of those Jews that employed Palestinian workers to come to Israel lost family or had their daughter gang raped and then murdered now see the light about Hamas and will never let their guard down again."
You won't find a Palestinian who hasn't had family and/or friends killed by Israel even prior to October 7. But its cute that you think Israel allowing Palestinians to work for them is somehow a flex. It's one step above slavery because Palestinians have no other work options with the Apartheid.

You don't know anything about the actual situation. You seem to possess a 4th grade understanding of the situation and history. Israel created this situation and Hamas and has done everything in its power to maintain the status quo.

"Anybody that advocate for Hamas"
This is where your stupidity shines. NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR HAMAS. They are advocating for innocent Palestinians. Israel is killing 15 civilians for every 1 Hamas militant it kills.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-11-29 11:27 AM | Reply

"Many of those Jews that employed Palestinian workers to come to Israel lost family or had their daughter gang raped and then murdered now see the light about Hamas and will never let their guard down again."

Hahahaha!

They couldn't see the truth about Hamas that resulted in the Checkpoints and the Iron Dome and the removal of Zionist settlements from Gaza?

I thought Jews were supposed to be smart.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-29 11:31 AM | Reply

"The Palestinians could turn on Hamas and kill them all and finally vote for a real government and not be held hostage by these terrorist pretending to be a legitimate state."

That's just stupid.

You're saying the hostages can simply kill their captors.

That's just stupid.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-11-29 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's Open Air Prison. It's definitely not just an Open Prison"

Its not a prison-- prisons are where people are kept when they are legally found guilty of some crime. It is a concentration camp, used to hold babies and children and women and old people who have done nothing wrong whatsoever-- other than existing.

#16 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2023-11-29 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The humanitarian horror currently facing the Palestinian civilian population needs to remain front and center when discussing a "resolution" to this conflict. Hamas can go ---- itself. The Palestinian civilians are victims of Hamas no less than all the Israeli civilians murdered, raped and kidnapped on October 8.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-11-29 02:16 PM | Reply

Jews actually were mainly living in peace side by side with Muslims in the Middle East prior to the creation of Israel
False. None of the countries in the ME allow Jews. Look at the populations of Jews in those countries over time. If nothing else you'll get to see what actual ethnic cleansing looks like.

Again, Palestine doesn't get to have elections
True. Hamas has not allowed elections since they took over.

Whereas the Gaza Strip is under constant blockade.
False. The last time the blockade was lifted was 2005. Gazans immediately went on jihad and the PA and Egypt wanted the blockade reinstalled.

And the subsidies are only about a billion per year in total from all the West
False. The current budget of UNRWA is 3.1b, the US contributes half. UNRWA only gives money to Palestinians. UNHCR is the UN agency for every other refugee in the world, it's budget is only 10b, the US contributes 8%. Gazans are the most well funded "refugees" in the world by a large margin, this doesn't count the off-book money coming from Iran and Qatar used to carry out jihad.

The Western powers stole land from the Palestinians to create Israel
False. The West took those lands under Right of Conquest after they won a World War. Do you advocate giving parts of Poland back to Germany? Was Poland "stolen" from Germany?

It's Open Air Prison
Name another prison where people return when they break out. The freedom fighters who got loose on Oct7 had food, water, ammo, a tank full of gas and 20 miles of open desert. Why did they return to their "prison"?

with the Apartheid
It's not actually, but accepting the premise...
What's the only, fool-proof, never-failed solution to breaking an Apartheid State?

#18 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-29 06:55 PM | Reply

------- Russian stooges can ---- the hell off

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-11-30 01:54 AM | Reply

The Palestinian civilians are victims of Hamas no less than all the Israeli civilians murdered, raped and kidnapped on October 8. #17 | Posted by moder8

So we're just going to ignore that 80% of Palestinians support the October 7th attacks?

Oh look, here's some video of Palestinians a few minutes after the 9/11 attacks. Such a caring people. Truly they are the victims here.

#20 | Posted by censored at 2023-11-30 02:12 PM | Reply

Yes Censored. When thousands upon thousands of children are being killed, then yes, we are going to deem the civilian Palestinian population to be victims. Deal with it.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2023-11-30 02:19 PM | Reply

Yes Censored. When thousands upon thousands of children are being killed, then yes, we are going to deem the civilian Palestinian population to be victims. Deal with it. #21 | Posted by moder8

Thousands? Well, if Hamas says so, it must be true.

I suppose those civilians should turn on Hamas, since they are Hamas's victims. You know, instead of 80% supporting a repeat attack, with 98% stating that the murder and rape of 1,400 civilian men, women, and children made them "more proud to be Palestinian."

Deal with it? Me? No, thank you.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2023-11-30 02:34 PM | Reply

"You're saying the hostages can simply kill their captors."

So what you are saying is that the Palestinians are being held hostage by terrorists? Maybe if they (Palestinians) all agreed to stop swearing they will kill every Israeli man woman and child and agree to help Israel help them maybe it would be easier for Israel to actually help them escape their terrorist captors.

Just a thought.


#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-11-30 02:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Censored has proven, repeatedly, unable to have a rational discussion about Israel and Palestine.

He's an emotional person who has repeatedly stated he wants to see Gaza flooded with the blood of Palestinian children.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-30 02:52 PM | Reply

Just a thought.
#23 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

It's half baked.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-30 02:53 PM | Reply

It's half baked.

#25 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I didn't say it was a great thought. Because it obviously will never happen. But you have to admit it does have a certain amount of logic to it. But yes. Mostly wishful thinking.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-11-30 03:15 PM | Reply

Israel is a rabid dog.

They are killing people without any reason but raw Tribal vengeance.

They have no endgame planned. Just murder and destruction until they are exhausted and the blind hysteria passes.

The US has ---- all over any claim of being "rules based" or rational in their support of this ethnic massacre.

Remember Bucha? And the outrage about Russian murders. Remember the sanctimonious twaddle about human rights in a war zone. The cries for justice?

I hear no such outcry from Biden or Blinken. No change of policy toward Israel has been announced. Its just "Israel has the right to defend itself" repeated endlessly.

When Russia bombed hospitals it was called horrific.

When Israel bombs hospitals and civilians fleeing into areas Israel claimed were safe,Biden called the numbers of dead to be "fabrications".

The double standard is disgusting, and revealing.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-11-30 03:31 PM | Reply

The double standard is disgusting, and revealing.
Irony flag.

Hamas could stop the killing of so-called innocents at anytime. They have that power. They could put their rhetoric to the test, form a battle group and attack Israel en mass. They claim to "love death more than Jews love life", they should prove it. They wont do it, though. Because they are either cowards or liars or both.

#28 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-30 04:42 PM | Reply

Neither,they are strategic thinkers.

They know the massacre of children will break the blind support for Israel in many nations and bring Righteous Anger down upon Israel from the Young and the Still Open to Experience masses even in the US and Israel itself.

Israel is self destructively creating a wall between themselves and the rest of Humanity.

It's Sad to see people become the Horror they Collectively Endure.

Like a cycle of Pain.

#29 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-11-30 06:37 PM | Reply

They know the massacre of children

Look, I made him say it.

#30 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-30 06:41 PM | Reply

Hamas could stop the killing of so-called innocents at anytime.

I didn't realize they had that much control over Israel.

Oh, that's right, you have zero objection whatsoever to any innocents killed by Israelis.

You must be completely shocked a terrorist organization could exist within Gaza or that Palestinians would support them.

They aren't even human beings. More like animals.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-30 06:49 PM | Reply

you have zero objection whatsoever to any innocents killed by Israelis
I have an objection to hiding behind women and children while claiming you aren't afraid of death. I object to calling this cowardice "strategic thinking". It not working. The distance between the millions of Palestinians living in peace inside Israel and the Gaza terrorists continues to widen. They are losing the shooting war. They are losing the PR war. They refused to even participate in the diplomatic war and lost that by default. Now, after decades of losing on all fronts and refusing any compromise these "strategic thinkers" hope to win by convincing the rest of the world to feel sorry for them.
Stand with Hamas, that's your right, you can lose with them. If you can muster the courage go over there fight for their lost cause, I'll buy you a plane ticket.

More like animals
Humans are animals. Gazans have chosen a path unique in the animal kingdom, they're willing to sacrifice their own children to meet a political goal they know they can't achieve.

#32 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-30 07:59 PM | Reply

I have an objection to hiding behind women and children while claiming you aren't afraid of death.

To say they're hiding behind women and children is an excuse to justify killing women and children.

They refused to even participate in the diplomatic war and lost that by default.

An election from decades ago. A war decades before that.

I don't believe you can ever understand their lives. You're too busy painting them to be monsters for fighting back.

Stand with Hamas, that's your right, you can lose with them.

Stand with them? No, I don't lie to myself and pretend my opinions makes any difference to the Palestinians or the Israelis.

I'm a third party to this and see it all as a tragedy.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-30 08:28 PM | Reply

Where have all the flowers gone?

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-11-30 08:58 PM | Reply

you can ever understand their lives
That's an excuse you (and Hamas) use to justify using human shields. Again, I'll keep saying it until even you can understand, Hamas can form up and fight (or surrender) whenever they want and the war will be over. We're told Allah is on their side and they aren't afraid of death, they should prove it.

An election from decades ago. A war decades before that.
Right now their stated goal is one State with no Jews. Even someone has stupid as you are knows this isn't possible. A million dead babies wont change this fact. Every child sacrificed for this goal dies in vain. One State with no Jews is never ever ever going to happen.[Full Stop]

#35 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-30 09:19 PM | Reply

justify using human shields.

Keep justifying killing women and children.

Vengeance begets vengeance.

Israel should have negotiated for the release of the hostages taken.

They should have shown Palestinians there's no reason to fear and hate Israelis.

They could have taken Hamas's power away from them.

Today's actions fuel tomorrow's conflicts.

You're as blinded by hate and rage as those you condemn.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-11-30 09:31 PM | Reply

"Vengeance begets vengeance."

Long time passing.

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-11-30 09:34 PM | Reply

Tribal thinking will eventually cause Human Extinction.

It's Incompatible with Nuclear Arms and modern weapons systems.

It makes collaboration on climate and other Global issues impossible.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-11-30 09:46 PM | Reply

Keep justifying hiding behind women and children.

They should have shown Palestinians there's no reason to fear and hate Israelis.
Plenty of Palestinians already know this and live with Jews in peace.
The onus is on the people living in Gaza to prove they can live in a plural society.

You're as blinded by hate and rage as those you condemn.
I don't hate any Palestinians, even the ones in Gaza that want to see me dead. I don't agree with them. I don't think their arguments or tactics are valid. I've never seen them demonstrate the capacity to compromise or negotiate in good faith. I afford them no more or less rights to land or a State than any other people. There are over 5000 distinct cultures with a shared history on this planet and only 216 Nations. Most Peoples seem to get along with their neighbors and live their lives without hijacking planes, suicide bombing and sacrificing their own children if they don't get everything their own way. When the Gazans do that they will have peace. If they don't they will be destroyed.

#39 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-11-30 10:39 PM | Reply

Where have all the flowers gone?

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-11-30 10:45 PM | Reply

Israel Knew Hamas's Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago

A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

www.nytimes.com

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-01 12:03 AM | Reply

hiding behind women and children.

Are you trying to convince yourself?

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-01 12:06 AM | Reply

I'm already convinced. You aren't capable of defending your own position --which is at best incoherent-- much less moving me off mine. As I'm sure you've noticed you don't actually have an argument, TikTok memes and emotional squeaking noises is all you have. "It's all a tragedy", "they have such hard lives", "no one understands", "so many innocents" "why can't Israel just give up?!?" boo hoo bla bla bla. ~~wipes tears~~

#43 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-12-01 01:06 AM | Reply

You believe yourself a victim and feel justified wishing death on others.

You're no better than the members of Hamas.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-01 01:25 AM | Reply

Non sequitur and no argument. Again.
You're the one playing victim, goofus. 'Hamas is just misunderstood. If only everyone were not so mean to them. They have a really hard life. Vengeance is icky. Boo Hoo'

You're really bad at this. Go find a Trump thread, even a moron like you can farm Yas Queens there.

#45 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-12-01 02:27 AM | Reply

#41
Interesting BBC piece on some of the dots Israeli intel failed to properly connect (with photos/maps) at
www.bbc.com

#46 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2023-12-01 06:46 AM | Reply

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