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Multiple reports in recent days reveal that Israel was aware that Hamas had built mock Israeli communities to train for a major assault, even ending one massive drill with the words "We have completed the killing of everyone on the kibbutz," but intelligence warnings were largely dismissed as "fantasy."

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A BBC investigation published Tuesday found that Hamas had been training for the mission for nearly three years and had published multiple explicit images and videos on social media.

The videos show Hamas training in mock Israeli communities, going room to room killing people, blowing their way through gates painted yellow like those in border kibbutzim, and taking civilians and soldiers hostage. One of the practice sites was less than a mile from the border with Israel.


#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-11-29 09:25 PM | Reply

Heads should roll over this dismissal:

Leaked emails show veteran intel soldier warned that terror groups were training for major assault to start a war,' but her cautions were dismissed by senior officers as fantasy'

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2023-11-30 09:12 PM | Reply

Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out," the New York Times reports.

"The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named Jericho Wall,' outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people."

"Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot " all of which happened on Oct. 7."


www.nytimes.com

Bibi is a shining example of conservative incompetence.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-11-30 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened

How is that possible? Biden didn't give Iran the $6 Billion to pay for the attack until September.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-11-30 10:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

On the 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbour, the attack that propelled America into the Second World War, a declassified memo shows that Japanese surprise attack was expected.
www.telegraph.co.uk

Its difficult to determine signal from noise, whats missing from all this "monday morning quaterbacking" is what/how much information was coming into the system.

I believe 9/11 suffered the same fate.

Its not difficult to believe someone in Israel government knew of this information, but is it actionable, is it more actionable than all the other intelligence in the system?

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-11-30 11:12 PM | Reply

Biden didn't give Iran the $6 Billion to pay for the attack until September.
#4 | POSTED BY REDIAL

You don't really understand the $70Billion Iran earned by selling oil because Biden didn't uphold the sanctions do you?

#6 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-11-30 11:13 PM | Reply

every leftist dope...which is all-inclusive... posting here would have all said the same thing if this were
publicized at the time.

that this was just another conspiracy theory....and you know that I'm right.

that's what happens when you're a puppet, drone, sucker and sheep enamored with the dishonest likes of the Joe Scarboroughs of the media world.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-12-01 08:39 AM | Reply

You don't really understand the $70Billion Iran earned by selling oil because Biden didn't uphold the sanctions do you?

#6 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

The sanctions are still in place. China is buying the oil.

Wait...are you saying we should invade China because they are buying Iranian oil? That's an interesting take.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-01 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I think Bibi expected an attack at some point but not this scale.

Every attack is an excuse to attack Palestine and bolster his hard line approach.

Except this attack was far worse than expected and he is taking the blame for it.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-01 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think Bibi expected an attack at some point but not this scale."

I think he not only wanted it but expected it because he encouraged it.

Hard right radicals like him want war like this to give them the power they need to force their agendas on the population. It proves they were right and that makes them right about everything.

And it backfired horribly. And many thousands died because of it. As most of these kinds of radical right wing agendas do.

Nutty needs to go. And now sadly he will prolong the war he allowed and encouraged as long as he can in order to stay in power longer.

Nutty enabled this whole horrible fiasco. And needs to be held accountable.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-01 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's shocking to see the Mossad fail this bad.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-01 11:43 AM | Reply

It's shocking to see the Mossad fail this bad.

It was a Mossad false flag op just to get things started. People are saying they hired Ray Eppstein to lead the way.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-01 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's shocking to see the Mossad fail this bad.

#11 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Mossad didn't fail. Senior officials appointed by Bibi for their crazy hardline positions rather than competence decided it was fantasy.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-01 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What happened on October 7th is exactly what neocons in Israel wanted.

Now they can kill thousands of Palestinians and attempt to steal more land in Gaza.

They're almost done colonizing the West Bank.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-01 01:52 PM | Reply

that's what happens when you're a puppet, drone, sucker and sheep enamored with the dishonest likes of the Joe Scarboroughs of the media world.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan

If dishonesty bothered you, you wouldnt have joined the cult of the world's most obvious con man.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-12-01 03:05 PM | Reply

Bibi is the Dubya of israel. Ignore the warnings of an attack then use the attack to justify an invasion you already wanted to do anyway that destroys all your international support and respect.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-12-01 03:06 PM | Reply

BushJr was Dumb.

Netanyahu is Evil.

Not the same.

Cheney on the other hand ...

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-01 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It sounds like Bibi and his senior leaders need to go through some things; this was a dereliction of duty at its worst, and prison time should be involved. Or did Bibi let it happen to give him cause to start a war, thinking it would make him more popular?

#18 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2023-12-02 06:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Israelis are responding exactly how Hamas wants them to, too. Hamas is winning because of it.

#19 | Posted by chuffy at 2023-12-02 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

sounds like a plan

#20 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2023-12-02 11:20 AM | Reply

__________
I am sure their intel ops had other "plans" as well, some real, some decoys.

Maybe the leadership of intel dismissed this one because they had SOME historical experience on a much smaller scale - "Night of the Gliders" in 1987 - and didn't think it could be scaled up.

www.washingtonpost.com - Paragliding fighters flew into Israel. A similar attack happened 35 years ago. |
In 1987, a Palestinian guerrilla pilot killed six soldiers after landing the glider near an army base
- WaPo, Oct 9 2023
__________

#21 | Posted by CutiePie at 2023-12-02 02:59 PM | Reply

The Israelis are responding exactly how Hamas wants them to, too. Hamas is winning because of it.
#19 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

Israel sure seems like they're trying to win every battle but lose the war.

Their propaganda game is the worst I've ever seen. Reminds me of Madam Nhu addressing whichever assembly that is in In The Year Of The Pig.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-02 03:15 PM | Reply

"Night of the Gliders" in 1987 - and didn't think it could be scaled up."

Or land-based, apparently.

It's the biggest intelligence failure in Israel's history*.

*The failure to predict this is what life would be like for Israelis, forever, should they actually go ahead and fulfill their Zionist mandate while hiding beging Western skirts notwithstanding.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-02 03:19 PM | Reply

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