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Saturday, December 02, 2023

A US judge has blocked Montana's ban on TikTok, saying it violated the free speech rights of users.

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Seems kind of obvious.

#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-02 09:57 AM | Reply

That law was doomed from the start. I guess red states still feel like they have to try to silence voices even when their efforts are clearly unconstitutional.

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-02 09:59 AM | Reply

Yeah, that's exactly what was going to happen the minute they passed that stupidity.

#3 | Posted by DarkVader at 2023-12-02 10:13 AM | Reply

The nutjob MT GOP, in total control, managed to flush an entire legislative session by passing obviously illegal laws that are getting knocked down in court, one after another. All the better, I suppose, but defending them in court has cost millions for nothing. (how conservative, I know)

GOPers are impotent when it comes to governing. The MT GOP is a great example. So is the US House.

GOPers should blame themselves, but they can't because lIbErAlS.

#4 | Posted by horstngraben at 2023-12-02 06:07 PM | Reply

I thought government would never violate free speech. I've been lectured about it relentlessly.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-03 11:07 AM | Reply

#5 - no one has ever said that, troll. In fact plenty have pointed out how states have been stepping on free speech rights left and right from book bans and don't say gay laws to outlawing drag shows and placing unconstitutional limits on protests.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-03 12:32 PM | Reply

Book bans = no pornography in school libraries
Don't say gay = limiting topics about sexuality in schools to being age appropriate
Outlawing drag shows = having age restrictions which is no diffferent than laws governing strip clubs
Unconstitutional limits on protests? Does that equal making it illegal to loot or set buildings on fire?

Fact is many in the left are staunch in their support of government censorship.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-03 12:41 PM | Reply

You cannot stop the singularity.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-03 12:42 PM | Reply

#7 I've never denied that people on the left support some forms of government censorship such as defending the country from foreign propaganda influence campaigns.

You are caught in yet another lie. It's like when you posted that survey a few months back that you claimed showed liberals support restrictions on speech and what the results really showed was that Americans of all stripes have similar levels of support for various categories of restrictions.

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-03 01:40 PM | Reply

"Don't say gay = limiting topics about sexuality in schools to being age appropriate"

What's the appropriate age to acknowledge the existence of homosexuals?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-03 01:49 PM | Reply

What's the appropriate age to acknowledge the existence of homosexuals?

In Florida? 70.

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-03 01:58 PM | Reply

The censorship goes way beyond foreign propaganda.

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-03 02:31 PM | Reply

"The censorship goes way beyond foreign propaganda."

What's the relevance of that?
Is it okay to censor foreign propaganda?
???

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-03 02:33 PM | Reply

Book bans = no pornography in school libraries
Don't say gay = limiting topics about sexuality in schools to being age appropriate
Outlawing drag shows = having age restrictions which is no diffferent than laws governing strip clubs
Unconstitutional limits on protests? Does that equal making it illegal to loot or set buildings on fire?
Fact is many in the left are staunch in their support of government censorship.

#7 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The books being banned are not pornography. You clearly do not know what pornography is.
Why can heteronormative relationships be discussed and not homosexual relationships?
Why does a drag show inherently require an age restriction?

You using the word fact is hilarious.

Being you are a well known lying pos.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-03 02:40 PM | Reply

The censorship goes way beyond foreign propaganda.

#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What is the government's role vis a vis a foreign government's social media platform?

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-03 02:43 PM | Reply

The censorship goes way beyond foreign propaganda.
#12 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Hey, you finally said something truthful. I provided you examples of recent restrictions enacted by states above. Some of which have already been overturned by the court systems.

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-03 04:13 PM | Reply

"What is the government's role vis a vis a foreign government's social media platform?

#15 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2023-12-03 02:43 PM"

It's not censorship. Maybe no role at all. Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 11:17 AM | Reply

Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So you think it is ok to ban rupaul's drag race and force libraries to remove books about the civil rights struggle and lgbtq issues but it's not ok for the US government to combat information campaigns that are attempting to recruit those same school children into terrorist organizations?

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-04 02:31 PM | Reply

#18 You are conflating content in school libraries with social media platforms.

Do you think it's inappropriate for schools to remove pornographic materials from their libraries?

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 02:36 PM | Reply

"Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue."

Yes it is.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-04 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since we're talking National Security:

Domestic propaganda in Supreme Court opinions is a National Security Issue as well.

Laws are being created based on lies. That directly impacts national security, by undermining the legitimacy of the justice system itself.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-04 02:44 PM | Reply

Answer the question in 18 and then I'll answers yours in 19.

You said "Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue."

I'll even simplify the question for you.

Does the US Government have the right to combat social media campaigns designed to recruit people in the US into terrorist organizations such as ISIS or al-queda?

#22 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-04 02:51 PM | Reply

The problem is your conflating issues. Even prior to the advent of social media, police were known to set up Sting operations in order to catch human predators engaging in predatory activities (attempting to recruit kids into a terror cell or a cult is predatory activity). Law enforcement should be targeting human predators and should be using the tools that are available to them. That is not remotely the same thing as a government/private partnership censoring citizens for claiming on social media that Covid was the result of a lab leak or that emails on Hunter Biden's laptop show Joe Biden involved in a influence peddling bribe scheme while he was Veep.

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 03:11 PM | Reply

Answer the question

#24 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-04 04:29 PM | Reply

I did. Recruiting kids for terrorist groups or cults is predatory behavior and Law Enforcement definitely has a role to play when it comes to that and that includes on Social Media platforms.

Are you willing to acknowledge that terror cell recruitment and claiming that Covid is the result of a lab leak are not even in the same ballpark?

#25 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 04:32 PM | Reply

Are you willing to acknowledge that terror cell recruitment and claiming that Covid is the result of a lab leak are not even in the same ballpark?
#25 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I believe that the US Government has the right to protect America from misinformation campaigns that are designed to influence our elections and internal policies as well as alerting them to criminal activity occurring on their platforms. If the US Government wants to alert social media companies to such misinformation then that is I power I believe the government has. If the social media company then finds those posts violate their policy and then handle it in accordance with their policy on such materials then that is a right that I believe the social media company has.

You mention the hunter biden laptop. That's a great example as that NY Post story included images that contained both hacked materials and personally identifiable information of individuals. Both are or at least were violations of twitter's terms of service at the time.

#26 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-04 06:02 PM | Reply

Do you think it's inappropriate for schools to remove pornographic materials from their libraries?

#19 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

School libraries do not have pornography in them. You do not know what pornography is.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 07:34 PM | Reply

School libraries do not have pornography in them. You do not know what pornography is.
#27 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

You didn't answer the question.

#28 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 07:41 PM | Reply

It's not censorship. Maybe no role at all. Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Are you cognizant of the fact that the problem with foreign owned social media goes far beyond propaganda?

For example, social media can and do mine usage data, that data can be shared with the Chinese government? Do you think it is in our national interest for a primary source for new for a vast number of Americans is a platform run by the Chinese government?

Do you understand that the Chinese government likely uses TikTok to access and steal intellectual property?

Your attitude and seeming underlying understanding of what TikTok is, (in that you frame the situation as censorship) is naive and plainly childish and stupid.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 07:43 PM | Reply

You didn't answer the question.
#28 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT A

Schools do not carry pornography in their libraries, thus and therefore, the question has no basis.

Which is a typical Republican position.

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 07:45 PM | Reply

You didn't answer the question.
#28 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT A

You may as well ask whether it is inappropriate for schools to remove nuclear weapons from their libraries. Same theory

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 07:46 PM | Reply

"Recruiting kids for terrorist groups or cults is predatory behavior"

Recruiting kids to be anti-vaxxers or 9/11 Truthers is predatory behavior, and you don't think that ought to be stopped.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-04 07:50 PM | Reply

Foreign propaganda on social media is not a national security issue.

#17 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The singularity can never be stopped as long as enough people believe this.

Re post #29.

Yup. But don't forget about AI.

Big Data plus AI plus authoritarianism means the singularity is just getting closer and more powerful and more insidious. I am beginning to suspect it is so insidious that we won't even know it's too late until long after it is too late.

And once people realize they no longer have control of AI and that AI is controlling you I bet them dang Boomers will still get the blame.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-04 08:09 PM | Reply

Kids don't have rights the way adults do and that includes access to websites own and operated by a hostile foreign government.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-04 08:53 PM | Reply

A graphic illustration of a BJ is pornography.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 08:55 PM | Reply

A graphic illustration of a BJ is pornography.

#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

Wrong

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 09:04 PM | Reply

Wrong
#36 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

So what is pornographic?


You may as well ask whether it is inappropriate for schools to remove nuclear weapons from their libraries. Same theory
#31 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

So why not just answer the question? Seems simple enough. But you deflect, which means you're full of ----.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 09:08 PM | Reply

A graphic illustration of a BJ is pornography.

#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2023-12-04 08:55 PM | REPLY

That's sex ed. Not pornography,

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-12-04 09:10 PM | Reply

In other news RE tiktok...

Groups of "mostly Chinese men" crossing illegally into the United States at the border in California.
twitter.com

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 09:16 PM | Reply

That's sex ed. Not pornography,
#38 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Define the difference, since you appear to be more intelligent than TruthHurts

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 09:17 PM | Reply

Groups of "mostly Chinese men" crossing illegally into the United States at the border in California.

They should build a wall.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-04 09:18 PM | Reply

Chinese men" crossing illegally into the United States

IAMRUNT just ratted himself out.

#42 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-12-04 09:18 PM | Reply

Wrong
#36 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

So what is pornographic?

You may as well ask whether it is inappropriate for schools to remove nuclear weapons from their libraries. Same theory
#31 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

So why not just answer the question? Seems simple enough. But you deflect, which means you're full of ----.

#37 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

LOL, pornography has been defined for quite a long time, google it, you might learn a thing or 2.

Hint, a drawing of a ------- is not pornography

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 09:20 PM | Reply

Define the difference, since you appear to be more intelligent than TruthHurts

#40 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Intended to give you a woody. The author cannot be held to account if you get an -------- when their intent is to teach you, though with people like you and ballsucker that attempt is pointless.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-04 09:22 PM | Reply

" A graphic illustration of a BJ is pornography."

You seem like you don't know or understand the actual definition.

Are you feigning ignorance, or are you not feigning?

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-12-04 10:45 PM | Reply

"Gender Queer" is not sex ed.

#46 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-04 11:15 PM | Reply

You're a gender queen.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-05 01:02 AM | Reply

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