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Tuesday, December 05, 2023

Donald Trump has long exhibited authoritarian impulses, but his policy operation is now more sophisticated, and the buffers to check him are weaker.

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In the spring of 1989, the Chinese Communist Party used tanks and troops to crush a pro-democracy protest in Beijing's Tiananmen Square.

Most of the West, across traditional partisan lines, was aghast at the crackdown that killed at least hundreds of student activists. But one prominent American was impressed.

"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it," Donald J. Trump said in an interview with Playboy magazine the year after the massacre.

"Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak."

It was a throwaway line in a wide-ranging interview, delivered to a journalist profiling a 43-year-old celebrity businessman who was not then a player in national politics or world affairs.

But in light of what Mr. Trump has gone on to become, his exaltation of the ruthless crushing of democratic protesters is steeped in foreshadowing.

Mr. Trump's violent and authoritarian rhetoric on the 2024 campaign trail has attracted growing alarm and comparisons to historical fascist dictators and contemporary populist strongmen.

In recent weeks, he has dehumanized his adversaries as "vermin" who must be "rooted out," declared that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country," encouraged the shooting of shoplifters and suggested that the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, deserved to be executed for treason."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-04 04:49 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY CORKY

And people in this country, even on this most august site, are BEGGING and SCREAMING for more of this!

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-12-04 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump will attempt to be a dictator. He will be resisted. Trump will attempt to put down the resistance. There will be persecution that is also resisted. Trump will try harder to put down the resistance. Somewhere about then people will be black-bagged and/or shot.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-04 04:53 PM | Reply

Now that's funny....

#4 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 05:46 PM | Reply

Now that's funny....

#5 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-04 05:46 PM | Reply

Now that's funny....

#5 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Tell me how you'll stop him.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-04 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now that's funny....

#4 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

So Trump is lying about what he intends to do?

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-05 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"oh my God, he will become a dictator" even though this country's constitution and legal system not to mention our political system would never allow it. But hey, if your candidate is circling the drain what other strategy do you have?

#8 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"oh my God, he will become a dictator" even though this country's constitution and legal system not to mention our political system would never allow it. But hey, if your candidate is circling the drain what other strategy do you have?

#8 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Unless those in charge simply ignore it.

For example, if Pence had ignored it and submitted the fake electors.

Lots of countries have had a constitution, laws and a legal system and fallen into dictatorships.

Not the brightest bulb, are you?

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-05 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"oh my God, he will become a dictator" even though this country's constitution and legal system not to mention our political system would never allow it. But hey, if your candidate is circling the drain what other strategy do you have?

POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2023-12-05 01:10 PM | REPLY

You conveniently forget a president can suspend the Constitution in its entirety. Yes he has that power. So the worry is a valid one. Educate yourself next time.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-12-05 01:30 PM | Reply

May be?

#11 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-12-05 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Trump has already demonstrated distain for the constitution. He's demonstrated that he'd do everything he possibly can to undermine the foundations of this country and give himself sole authority.

Fishpaw must come from a different planet.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-12-05 01:35 PM | Reply

Uranus.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-05 01:37 PM | Reply

Unless those in charge simply ignore it.
For example, if Pence had ignored it and submitted the fake electors.
Lots of countries have had a constitution, laws and a legal system and fallen into dictatorships.
Not the brightest bulb, are you?

#9 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2023-12-05 01:28 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

Oh please, you don't think we have the checks and balances to prevent that? You don't have a lot of faith in your own party do you? Just like you think on Jan 6 the rioters were going to lock the Capital doors and take over the country like they were a match for our military. You're not just a dim bulb but a complete idiot.

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 01:37 PM | Reply

Trump has already demonstrated distain for the constitution. He's demonstrated that he'd do everything he possibly can to undermine the foundations of this country and give himself sole authority.
Fishpaw must come from a different planet.

#12 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2023-12-05 01:35 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)

You mean when I said everyone is innocent until proven guilty? Give me another example when I demonstrated distain for the constitution?

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 01:40 PM | Reply

So Trump is lying about what he intends to do?
#7 | POSTED BY SYCOPHAN

Yes, and Lumpers are exaggerating it because their policies are for ----.

#16 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-05 01:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

---- off clown boy.

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-05 01:57 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

You are a fool, and as such you will get intromitted through your ---- orifice by Trump sooner than most.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 02:07 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

There is something sick and dark about Trumpism and Trumpers.

This "who me?" nonsense is part of it.

Donald Trump's attraction to people like you is that he wants to see things burn.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 02:08 PM | Reply

Oh please, you don't think we have the checks and balances to prevent that?

#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Trump and MAGA don't believe in things like that. Damn if I know what you DO believe in. More often than not you do something that directly contradicts what you say you believe in.

Mean Jesus is your creation.

I've come to the conclusion that you people believe in nothing, really. You are nihilists. YOU are the ones who make Trump dangerous. Empty, ----------, barbarians. Without you he's just another nutcase one step from psychiatric commitment.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 02:13 PM | Reply

Zed,

If Trump were to have a sudden heart attack tomorrow and pass away would your mind go permanently blank? He's all you think about.

#21 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-05 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#20 So based on your theory Trump would have never left office. Why do you suppose that's true? You are just another clueless sheep in the TDS herd.

#22 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 02:26 PM | Reply

21

Republicans apparently don't like to think of the still Leader of their Party who tried to rig the
Election after it was over.

Others think that's insane.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-05 02:48 PM | Reply

#20 So based on your theory Trump would have never left office.

#22 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Well, he attempted a coup to stay in. So what are you saying?

Do you not know what a coup is?

That's it, isn't it?

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 Sure, a coup uses military force. I don't remember trump driving a tank into the capital do you? Actually based on your fantasies I'm sure you did?

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 03:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

He's (Trump) all you think about.

#21 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

He's the face of the modern American Fascist movement.

If he did die, that would be great. But there are fascists that will step into his shoes.

How did we get to the point of having a major political fascist movement in this country after fighting a war against Hitler?

Well, the fact is that World War II frightened people like FISHPAW enough to hide under rocks.

When Trump came along, people like FISHPAW thought it was safe to come out.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 Sure, a coup uses military force.

#25 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Self-serving, blinkered, STUPID notion.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-05 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 You dopes throw the word fascist around because MSNBC tells you to. Which party is trying to prevent their opponent from running? Which party is calling for the extermination of Jews?

#28 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-05 03:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Shut up loser.

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-05 03:17 PM | Reply

"fascism
noun
fascism fa-shi-z'm also fa-si-

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" - Webster Dictionary

.

Everything they really care about.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-05 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#24 Sure, a coup uses military force.
#25 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

The Nazi seizure of power did not employ military force.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-05 03:49 PM | Reply

"#20 So based on your theory Trump would have never left office. Why do you suppose that's true?"

Trump plotted even before the election how to stay in power if he lost the election.

That's why it's true.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-05 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The thing Trump has going for him in a second term is a Supreme Court with at least three justices hand-picked by Leonard Leo and approved by Putin.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-05 04:59 PM | Reply

When I am King, you will be first against the wall. With your opinion, which is of no consequence at all.

Good Gawd again, some of you (not all) are ridiculously paranoid.

#34 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2023-12-06 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

and forcible suppression of opposition" - #30 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2023-12-05 03:45 PM | FLAG:

Hmmm, which party is trying to have their opposition removed from the ballot?

#35 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"#20 So based on your theory Trump would have never left office. Why do you suppose that's true?"
Trump plotted even before the election how to stay in power if he lost the election.
That's why it's true.

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2023-12-05 03:51 PM | FLAG:
(CHOOSE)
| NEWSWORTHY 2

So why isn't he still in power then?

#36 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-06 10:45 AM | Reply

So why isn't he still in power then?

Because Ashli Babbitt took a bullet.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-06 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"So why isn't he still in power then?"

Because Pence didn't violate his Oath of Office, among other reasons.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"which party is trying to have their opposition removed from the ballot?"

Specifically, it is Florida Republicans trying to do that:

Florida Republican pitches bill to eliminate the Florida Democratic Party
www.nbcnews.com

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So why isn't he still in power then?

Because Ashli Babbitt took a bullet.

#37 | POSTED BY REDIAL

There's so much truth in this.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-06 10:54 AM | Reply

Good Gawd again, some of you (not all) are ridiculously paranoid.

#34 | POSTED BY BLUEWAFFLES

MAGA really doesn't want the rest of us to believe Trump when he says things.

Well, at least until the election is over. Then the little fascists will all be out of the closet.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-06 11:31 AM | Reply

"If Trump were to have a sudden heart attack tomorrow and pass away"

IF? Rigger please!

Stop teasing us.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-06 12:08 PM | Reply

#39 "The Ultimate Cancel Act," filed Tuesday by state Sen. Blaise Ingoglia, would require the state's Division of Elections to "immediately cancel" the filings of any political party whose platform had "previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude."

So why would you think this would pertain to the Democratic party?

#43 | Posted by fishpaw at 2023-12-06 01:46 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY FISHPAW A

Let me guess: you think it's a good idea?

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-06 01:53 PM | Reply

So why isn't he still in power then?

#36 | Posted by fishpaw

Because he fails at everything he does. He couldnt even make money from a casino.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2023-12-06 01:59 PM | Reply

So why would you think this would pertain to the Democratic party?
#43 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Because I have at least an eighth grade knowledge of American history.
Why don't you have that knowledge?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 02:14 PM | Reply

not "may be more radical" but "absolutely will be more radical"

#47 | Posted by e1g1 at 2023-12-06 04:21 PM | Reply

Good. We need a shock.

#48 | Posted by fresno500 at 2023-12-06 06:16 PM | Reply

The "radical" in our current USA government originates with perpetually lying angry radical leftists that want to own and control you just as they once imported and owned and controlled the slaves. They've tainted our country and its culture. Their only concern is protecting their political narrative. Unlike the left Trump has zero interest in control.

#49 | Posted by Robson at 2023-12-06 10:15 PM | Reply

"more radical than the first"

aaaaaaaahaha

you people are hilarious with your goofy headlines.

"It's the nadir of American history"

chuckle....

#50 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-12-07 10:05 AM | Reply

"more radical than the first"

the first one was "worse than hitler"

so with the current deep hatred of jews on campuses across the country...I guess they'll demand

that trump exterminate 14 million jews instead of the "measly" 7 that hitler did ?

I mean,..if the first one was 'worse than hitler".... ?????

#51 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2023-12-07 10:09 AM | Reply

"It's the nadir of American history"

#50 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

The quote was that Jan 6 was A nadir of American history.

Much like you.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-07 10:29 AM | Reply

Unlike the left Trump has zero interest in control.

#49 | POSTED BY ROBSON

You must know how insane that sounds.

Trumpy has zero interest in control?

Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election.[2][3]

Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president.[4] Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential candidate, many have close ties to Donald Trump and his 2024 presidential campaign.[5]

The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory " a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power of the executive branch " upon inauguration.[6]

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-07 10:54 AM | Reply

Unlike the left Trump has zero interest in control.

#49 | POSTED BY ROBSON

For fascists control is everything.

Your support for Trump emphasizes your own need for control.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-07 11:22 AM | Reply

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