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An Ohio resident is facing charges after she had a miscarriage -- the latest incident connected to a wider concern about the criminalization of pregnant women and postpartum women.

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"This fetus was going to be non-viable. It was going to be non-viable because she had premature ruptured membranes " her water had broken early " and the fetus was too young to be delivered," Sterbenz said, per the outlet.

Watts' attorney argued that her client has no criminal history and is being villainized for an everyday occurrence. However, Warren assistant prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri highlighted what authorities say happened that day.

"The issue isn't how the child died, when the child died " it's the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day," Guarnieri said, per the report.

#1 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-12-05 02:15 PM | Reply

Was she supposed to call the police?

What is that call supposed to sound like?

Give me a script.

#2 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-12-05 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Didn't Ohio recently vote to legalize abortion?

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-05 02:17 PM | Reply

felony abuse of a corpse,

Didn't Santorum do that when he took his wife's miscarriage home for his kids and dogs to play with?

Talk about emotional abuse.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-05 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I listened to a lot of the testimony.

Everyone keeps referring to "the baby."

There was no "baby" involved in the story.

#5 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-12-05 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This is entirely political.

Especially the part where the judge isn't sure if a dead fetus is a corpse.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-05 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans sure are great people.

#7 | Posted by Kreator at 2023-12-06 12:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if the Republicant men got pregnant if abortion would be a sacrament and a God-given right. I'm gonna think on that one for a bit. But not too long; I have better things to do with my time than wonder about a group of men with no insight or understanding of subject matter at hand.

#8 | Posted by keystone at 2023-12-06 04:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it's the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet, and she went on [with] her day,"

So the headline should be Ohio Woman Faces Felony Charges After Clogging Up Toilet. The current headline is a bit disingenuous.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2023-12-06 06:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didn't Ohio recently vote to legalize abortion?

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-05 02:17 PM | Reply

Yes they did.

However the Ohio GOP said they will not accept the results because the will of the people means nothing to them.

#10 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-12-06 08:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The GOP war on women will not be stopped by the voters.

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-12-06 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Republican Right are vicious people.

But, as they used to say, if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear.

The problem is, they'll find something.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2023-12-06 08:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Goppers get their way, menstruation will be a capital crime.

#13 | Posted by northguy3 at 2023-12-06 08:41 AM | Reply

If Goppers get their way, menstruation will be a capital crime.

So will a wet dream when women come to power. Paybacks will be hell.

#14 | Posted by mattm at 2023-12-06 09:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Didn't Ohio recently vote to legalize abortion?

#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Yes. But the freedumbz loving "c-c-conservatives" are doing everything they can to roll it back, along with the marijuana legalization.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-06 11:36 AM | Reply

So the headline should be Ohio Woman Faces Felony Charges After Clogging Up Toilet. The current headline is a bit disingenuous.

#9 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

No, it's not. She's being charged because of the end result of the miscarriage.

This is how anybody who miscarries early and at home goes through it. This is absolutely ghoulish on the part of the Ohio GOP and judiciary system.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-06 11:38 AM | Reply

Republicans have decided that miscarrying your child isn't horrifying enough for women. The anguish of losing your baby must be made exponentially worse by imprisonment.

How can anyone support this ------- scum party anymore?

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2023-12-06 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For those who missed the thread about this case last month, both the prosecutor who decided to file charges against this woman and the Juge who decided to allow the case to proceed to a grand jury are Democrats. I asked why Democrats are putting this poor woman through hell ... ... nobody had an answer.

I

#19 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 12:35 AM | Reply

#19

You exemplify the current problem with American politics. Partisan derision.

What does it matter that a D judge or jury makes a decision? Better yet, why does it matter?

I fail to see any relevance. Help me out.

#20 | Posted by et_al at 2023-12-07 01:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just Wow ... .
There are a dozen comments above rabidly blaming the GOP for this miscarriage of justice. THAT exemplifies partisan derision. But you ignore those dozen posts and call ME out for my factual and truthful response?

You disappoint me, Et Al, I expected better of you.

#21 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 07:45 AM | Reply

Just Wow ...

I expected better of you.

#21 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

You know the ---- you type.

So do we.

Righteous indignation always looks out of place here.

Kind of like a hog wearing a tuxedo or ball gown.

#22 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-12-07 08:43 AM | Reply

both the prosecutor who decided to file charges against this woman and the Juge [sic] who decided to allow the case to proceed to a grand jury are Democrats

Link?

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2023-12-07 03:43 PM | Reply

This part of Ohio is key for Ohio Governor DeWine's Deplorable political agenda. He recently had one of his lackeys with no educational experience appointed President of Youngstown State University without any public comment or involvement in the process by University faculty, staff, or students.

You know, like DeSantis does in Florida.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-07 04:20 PM | Reply

Joe,
I posted many, many links proving that on a previous thread. Not going to do it again just because you weren't paying attention.

#25 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 07:52 PM | Reply

WTH, here's the Judge
www.ohioresidentdatabase.com

#26 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 07:57 PM | Reply

vote-usa.org
Here is the prosecutor

#27 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 07:58 PM | Reply

But that was the ELECTED Prosecutor for the whole county, they cried, not the one named in the article.
Yeah, well that guy is a Democratic too.

www.ohioresidentdatabase.com

So once again, I ask. WHY are Democrats persecuting this woman for having a miscarriage? I predict crickets ... ... or another volley of ad hominem attacks against me,like the last time this story came up.

#28 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 08:07 PM | Reply

"So once again, I ask. WHY are Democrats persecuting this woman for having a miscarriage?"

It's not "Democrats," it's the DA.

Why, speculation, because it's a good way to get re-elected in a Red State, in a Red County that went +10 Trump.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-07 08:12 PM | Reply

WHY are Democrats persecuting this woman for having a miscarriage?

They aren't.

#30 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-07 08:12 PM | Reply

I'm assuming it's because Judges and Prosecutors are supposed to follow the laws that they don't make. At least they're not supposed to let their personal politics enter the picture. Isn't that why DeSantis fired that DA?

#31 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2023-12-07 09:42 PM | Reply

There are a dozen comments above rabidly blaming the GOP for this miscarriage of justice. THAT exemplifies partisan derision. But you ignore those dozen posts and call ME out for my factual and truthful response?

You disappoint me, Et Al, I expected better of you.

#21 | Posted by Miranda7

There's a big difference between passing the laws (despite the people of the state wanting something different) and officers of the court upholding the laws.

See the difference?

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-07 10:58 PM | Reply

@#20 ... What does it matter that a D judge or jury makes a decision? ...

OK, now pontificate about the Florida Grand Jury that indicted fmr Pres Trump.

OK, I'll get to my point...

Why do you appear to be concerned about D judges?

You and I have jousted about legal things, with politics aside.

Why the apparent focus on politics all of a sudden?


#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-07 11:10 PM | Reply

@#28 ... But that was the ELECTED Prosecutor for the whole county ...

So why skewer him for representing those who voted him in to office?


Is that not want an elected official should do?

(yeah, I know, Rep Taylor-Greene. But shows my point more than it doesn't.)



#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-07 11:18 PM | Reply

"I'm assuming it's because Judges and Prosecutors are supposed to follow the laws that they don't make."

Cops are under no obligation to uphold the law, so it makes sense that hadn't occurred to her.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-07 11:30 PM | Reply

JPW, the law in question was enacted in 1996, when Ohio was solidly blue. At best this case is a HUGE stretch of the elements of this statute. Likelihood of conviction is essentially zero, and the prosecutor has an ethical duty to decline to prosecute a case that doesn't have a substantial likelihood of conviction. The idea that these Democrat folks were compelled or forced to enforce it is absurd. "Abuse of corpse" laws, in my experience, are generally used to enhance charges against someone who mutilates the body of a murder victim. So WHY are they torturing this woman?

#36 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 11:55 PM | Reply

#34 Everyone was ok with "skewering" the GOP for the persecution of this woman. When I point out that it wasn't the GOP, but elected Democrats who decided to persecute this woman, suddenly everyone is calling me names and making excuses for the Democratic Judge and Prosecutors. Just doing their jobs, nothing to see here.....

#37 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-07 11:59 PM | Reply

"At best this case is a HUGE stretch of the elements of this statute."

So you disagree with the judge on not being sure if a dead fetus is a corpse.

A dead fetus isn't a corpse.

The judge is full of ----.

So is the DA.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 12:06 AM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY MIRANDA7

Can you clarify if you are talking about persecuting or prosecuting? That might help a bit.

#39 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-08 12:08 AM | Reply

This case is an abomination of justice. This woman should be receiving extensive counseling and therapy instead of being put through this travesty. This woman should be allowed to mourn her loss not be prosecuted for this very natural result of pregnancy. The judge, prosecutors and police should all be ashamed and booted from office.

This is an obscenity.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-08 12:09 AM | Reply

#34 Everyone was ok with "skewering" the GOP for the persecution of this woman.

Well, the Governor could weigh in...
Instead he's installing his hand-picked Anti-Woke President of nearby Youngstown State University.

You, uh, sure do a good job of pretending this isn't racist and Democrats can't be racist in a Red state.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 12:10 AM | Reply

@#37 ... suddenly everyone is calling me names and making excuses for the Democratic Judge and Prosecutors. ...

Welcome to the Internet. Are you having fun yet?

... Just doing their jobs, nothing to see here..... ...

Yup, that's how I am viewing this.

And not only in this specific case, but other major cases.

OK, I will admit that law enforcement sometimes gets it wrong (and I've posted articles about the problems when police seem to, I'll say, go bad ( Justice Department opens probe into Louisiana State Police apnews.com 2022).

But I will stand up for those who are elected to do a job, and do it. Those who abide by their oath to the Constitution.

And that is something I have not seen in many, oh so many, Republicans of late.

So, kudos to these Democrats.



#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-08 12:11 AM | Reply

"law enforcement sometimes gets it wrong"

Bold statement.

Is your favorite spice milk?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 12:12 AM | Reply

Our society if failing it's citizens. This poor unfortunate woman WANTED a baby, a child. Instead nature gave her an unviable fetus. She felt the heartbeat, she became emotionally attached to the fetus inside of her, she chose to bring that fetus to term. Unfortunately that fetus was sick and died. Her body did the natural thing and expelled the dead fetus. In her distress the fetus was dropped in a toilet-an action that happens every single day across the world. It is an unspoken and ugly fact of pregnancy. She might not even realized she was passing the fetus, she might have thought it a massive BM, her natural instinct was to wipe and flush not even realizing what she was doing-SHE WAS IN SHOCK FROM LOSS OF BLOOD AND LOSING HER FETUS.

A society that criminalizes that act instead of pouring out massive support for her is a society lost.

And further evidence of the misogyny baked into our country.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-08 12:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#43 ... Bold statement. ...

Yes, it was.

Aside from the ambiguous comment, what do you think of what I stated?

Of course, if you want to remain ambiguous, maybe this...

Spirit - Taurus
www.youtube.com

In a nutshell... LZ was sued by S because they thought the song was ripped off for LZ's Stairway To Heaven.

Does Led Zeppelin owe Spirit a songwriting credit for Stairway to Heaven'? (2014)
www.washingtonpost.com

Fun stuff...


#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-08 12:28 AM | Reply

"Aside from the ambiguous comment, what do you think of what I stated?"

You stated the obvious.

Why bother?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 12:29 AM | Reply

"Does Led Zeppelin owe Spirit a songwriting credit for Stairway to Heaven'?"

That's a stupid question to ask when there's a dead baby in the toilet.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 12:29 AM | Reply

@#47 ... That's a stupid question to ask when there's a dead baby in the toilet. ...

Sometimes a bold statement needs to be made.

My comment that, "law enforcement sometimes gets it wrong" drew out a comment from you. #43 ... Is your favorite spice milk? ...

So, I could ask the same of you... That's a stupid question to ask when there's a dead baby in the toilet ...

So do you want to discuss, or just continue to hurl insults.

Your choice.

I'm here, either way, though I do prefer the discuss option.

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-08 12:42 AM | Reply

#39 Both prosecuting and persecuting
#40, #44 On this, you and I are in full agreement.

#49 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-08 08:52 AM | Reply

#26-28 Those are some pretty sketchy websites. Regardless, even if accurate, even someone like you won't deny that Democrats persecuting a miscarrying mother is an outlier and almost exclusively a Republican endeavor.

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2023-12-08 09:37 AM | Reply

#50. Not sketchy websites. Voter info is public record and many websites make a living off disseminating publicly available info.

I would agree this is an outlier for Democrats OR Republicans to prosecute a woman for having a miscarriage. If you disagree show me an example or two. It is a miscarriage of justice, regardless of who is doing it.

Funny how the "outrage" on this thread evaporated once it was revealed that it was Democrats doing this. Still nobody can answer the question I have posed, why?

#51 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2023-12-08 08:53 PM | Reply

"I would agree this is an outlier for Democrats OR Republicans to prosecute a woman for having a miscarriage."

She's not being prosecuted for having a miscarriage.
She's being prosecuted for trying to flush her miscarriage down the toilet.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 09:05 PM | Reply

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