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Tuesday, December 05, 2023

With multiple protests planned near the state Capitol, Gov. Gavin Newsom has decided to not hold the annual public Christmas tree lighting live and in person as originally planned on Tuesday. Instead, the ceremony will be held remotely, and Newsom's office will provide a recording. Capitol Correspondent Ashley Zavala reports.

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Coward.

#1 | Posted by sawdust at 2023-12-05 09:43 PM | Reply

Safety first

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2023-12-05 09:47 PM | Reply

This is terrible. Nothing says Christmas more than a Governor pushing a fake button on TV.

The children will be traumatized for life.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-05 09:50 PM | Reply

Newsom cancels XMas

I didn't know he could do that. I hope he doesn't mess with the festivus pole.

#4 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-05 11:48 PM | Reply

So he's letting the bullies and mob win.

Not a good look for someone with presidential aspirations.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-05 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not the sacred holiday ... (checks notes) ... "XMas"!

You know, when Jeezus! was born.

Corky and Tot will be along shortly to provide details.

.

Seems like, when you don't care enough to write out "Christmas", you can't actually claim you care about Christmas.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 12:05 AM | Reply


Nothing says Christmas more than a Governor pushing a fake button on TV.
The children will be traumatized for life.
#3 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Actually the children will be traumatized over time; Its about a shared experience to create community.

Over time the erosion of community to none, is traumatizing. We see this today in our children that were lockeddown. They have been traumatized because of lack of community. Be nice to get back to one.

#6 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I care, it's not my "holiday", but I enjoy the festivities, the trees, the lights, the rinks, the traditions. Sad our leaders can't enjoy it with the subjects.

I can't figure out why "Palestinian supporters" shut it down, really.

If it was an Islamic holiday do you think they would do the same?

#7 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 12:21 AM | Reply

" I can't figure out why "Palestinian supporters" shut it down, really."

Exactly. It's a Christmas tree. It's not like it's a big dreidel spin.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-06 12:26 AM | Reply

Here's my take Bellringer.

Trump haters like myself see a huge mess. I can only imagine what most Americans in the middle of the country are thinking.

Biden and his sycophants don't argue on policy any longer, they've given up fixing things because their solutions haven't worked.

That's why the Administration is using media, and apparatchiks like Clownhut to incite "taking trump out", "Hes a nazi", "its the end of democracy".

Notice this change went out recently.

#9 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 12:45 AM | Reply

It's a Christmas tree. It's not like it's a big dreidel spin. #8 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You know, JC was Jewish.

#10 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-06 12:48 AM | Reply

" You know, JC was Jewish.

#10 | POSTED BY CENSORED AT 2023-12-06 12:48 AM | FLAG: "

Yes, but Christianity is not Judaism.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-06 12:52 AM | Reply

Can't believe the GOP (Government Of Putin) voters keep falling for this old tattered Bill O'really (misspelling intentional) lies any myths.

Oh wait, I can believe it, because they are dumb enough to buy any conspiracy theory.

#12 | Posted by a_monson at 2023-12-06 02:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Commie stooges ain't too bright.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-06 08:01 AM | Reply

annual public Christmas tree lighting

Happy Saturnalia.

Nothing says honoring the birth of christ like murdering a tree and adorning it's corpse with lights and oranments. Just another pagan ritual stolen by the commercialization of a solemn religious holiday.

You want to honor Christ at Christmas? Love thy neighbor, welcome the strange, forgive the offenders, feed the hungry, clothe the homeless.

Nah, much better to go into four months of debt to buy overpriced needless gifts at the behest of corporate america.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2023-12-06 08:32 AM | Reply

" ... welcome the strange ... "

I am a big fan of welcoming the strange. In fact I give an open invitation at my place to all the strange. Who knew that made me a good Christian

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-06 09:12 AM | Reply

He should just teargas them and then give a speech in which he makes empty threats that he won't carry out. He could follow that by posing for a photo op in which he uses a bible as a prop.

#16 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-06 09:57 AM | Reply

So he's letting the bullies and mob win.
#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Interesting how you view people exercising their first amendment rights as a mob of bullies. I don't recall you saying the same about those protesting public health measures.

#17 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2023-12-06 10:08 AM | Reply

I hate to break it to a certain atheist from Russia but here in America we don't give elected officials authority over christmas.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-06 11:36 AM | Reply

@#6 ... Seems like, when you don't care enough to write out "Christmas", you can't actually claim you care about Christmas. ...

Xmas
en.wikipedia.org

... There is a common misconception that the word Xmas stems from a secularizing tendency to de-emphasize the religious tradition from Christmas,[3] by "taking the Christ out of Christmas"; nevertheless, the term's usage dates back to the 16th century, and corresponds to Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Church of England, and Episcopalian[citation needed] liturgical use of various forms of chi-rho monogram. In English, "X" was first used as a scribal abbreviation for "Christ" in 1100; "X'temmas" is attested in 1551, and "Xmas" in 1721.[4] ...



#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-06 11:49 AM | Reply

Well, of course you'd post that, you're one of those godless heathens who want to kill Christmas.

Scrooge!

Grinch!

Atheist!

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 12:20 PM | Reply

Didn't we all hate protests, protesting, and protesters on this site not so long ago?

I thought we wanted them all to get their asses thrown in prism, face first and for them to never have jobs again and all that.

What gives??

#21 | Posted by tres_flechas at 2023-12-06 12:28 PM | Reply

Christmas is just another attempt by the religulous to bury a so-called "pagan" or more accurately the humanist celebration of the end of winter and the return of the sun under their own Christian beliefs.

The list of Gods supposedly born in December used to mask a previous religion. All these religions have been previously "canceled". It sure is an amazing coincidence that all the gods are born in December 25th isn't it? Or perhaps just another reason for republicans to hate history.

HORUS
An Ethiopian-Sudanese God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 3,000 before Jesus.

BUDDHA
A Nepal God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 563 before Jesus.

KRISHNA
An Indian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 900 before Jesus.

ZARATHUSTRA
An Indian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 1,000 before Jesus.

HERCULES
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 800 before Jesus.

MITHRAS
A Persian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin- 600 before Jesus.

DIONYSUS
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 500 before Jesus.

THAMUZ
A Babylinian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 400 before Jesus.

HERMES
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 200 before Jesus.

ADONIS
A Phoenician God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 200 before Jesus.

JESUS CHRIST
A Roman God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 300 AD.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-06 12:48 PM | Reply

Man...those Virgins get around!!!

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2023-12-06 01:01 PM | Reply

Fortunately, we know that Yeshua was born in September, and like others on the list his date of birth was later changed to coincide with already extant celebrations.

www.cslewisinstitute.org

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-06 01:30 PM | Reply

Yeshua was born in September,

Look who's here to kill Christmas ...

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 01:34 PM | Reply

Have any of those who hate Jesus ever tried to actually look into what historians say rather than pretending like they're an authority?

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-06 01:42 PM | Reply

Not a good look for someone with presidential aspirations.
#5 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You're going to be the only one during the runup to 2028 thinking about Newsom "canceling Christmas" in 2023. Nobody else is going to care, let alone remember. LOL

Swallow it.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-12-06 02:08 PM | Reply

Have any of those who hate Jesus

The man still owes me tree fiddy.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 03:49 PM | Reply

"Trump haters like myself..."

LOL!!!!!!

Stuid is as stupid posts.

#29 | Posted by Angrydad at 2023-12-06 04:18 PM | Reply

"The man still owes me tree fiddy."

....I better not have a grandkid named Chef.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-06 05:13 PM | Reply

" Interesting how you view people exercising their first amendment rights as a mob of bullies. I don't recall you saying the same about those protesting public health measures.

#17 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2023-12-06 10:08 AM | FLAG: "

If they are just a bunch of peaceful protesters why cancel the event?

#31 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-06 06:11 PM | Reply

" You're going to be the only one during the runup to 2028 thinking about Newsom "canceling Christmas" in 2023. Nobody else is going to care, let alone remember. LOL

Swallow it.

#27 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2023-12-06 02:08 PM | FLAG: "

I don't care. Lighting a Christmas tree isn't a big deal. As a lefty, like you, he probably despises everything about Christmas and relishes being able to use the threat of a violent protest as an excuse to cancel an event he wanted to cancel anyway.

#32 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-06 06:14 PM | Reply

"why cancel the event?"

Nobody except Deplorables wants to see protesters at a Christmas event.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 06:14 PM | Reply

"Lighting a Christmas tree isn't a big deal "

Then not having the governor present at the lighting of the Christmas tree isn't a big event either.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 06:15 PM | Reply

In the history of the United States I cannot imagine how many times Christmas events have not been attended by a governor and it's not the last time it's going to happen either.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-06 08:05 PM | Reply


Then not having the governor present at the lighting of the Christmas tree isn't a big event either.
#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So why did they organize it?

#36 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 08:06 PM | Reply

In the history of the United States I cannot imagine how many times Christmas events have not been attended by a governor and it's not the last time it's going to happen either.

#35 | POSTED BY TOR

Its not that he won't be present it's he won't be present that matters.

FFS Protesters are making the government behave like the government isn't in charge.

#37 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 08:07 PM | Reply

The reality is it has nothing to do with ...

Whether Christmas tree lighting is a big event.
OR
How many times Christmas events have not been attended by a governor.
OR
Whatever other loser excuse you could come up with, with would change if the protester were of a different ideology.

The reality is that if the protesters were a bunch of 2A MAGAts, you're damn certain Newsom would be having this tree lighting.

Why? Its all about the ------- optics.

MAGAts fighting police = GOOD Newsom press
Palestinians fighting the police = BAD Newsom press, and BAD Palestinian press.

#38 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 08:16 PM | Reply

You are a ------- clown.

#39 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-06 09:19 PM | Reply

#32

You could paint a house in one swipe with that broad brush, you simpleton.

#40 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-06 09:20 PM | Reply

Donner,

"HORUS
An Ethiopian-Sudanese God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 3,000 before Jesus.
BUDDHA
A Nepal God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 563 before Jesus.
KRISHNA
An Indian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 900 before Jesus.
ZARATHUSTRA
An Indian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 1,000 before Jesus.
HERCULES
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 800 before Jesus.
MITHRAS
A Persian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin- 600 before Jesus.
DIONYSUS
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 500 before Jesus.
THAMUZ
A Babylinian God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 400 before Jesus.
HERMES
A Greek God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 200 before Jesus.
ADONIS
A Phoenician God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 200 before Jesus.
JESUS CHRIST
A Roman God, born 25th December, by a Virgin around 300 AD."

I fed your post into ChatGPT and here's the response,

"The information you provided contains a mix of historical and mythological figures and their supposed birthdates and circumstances. Let's go through each one:

Horus: Horus is an ancient Egyptian god, but there are no widely accepted historical records of his birthdate or being born to a virgin on December 25th.

Buddha: Siddhartha Gautama, known as the Buddha, was indeed born in Nepal. However, there's no historical evidence to support the claim that he was born on December 25th or to a virgin.

Krishna: Krishna is a prominent figure in Hinduism, and his birth is celebrated on Janmashtami, which falls on a different date in the Hindu calendar, not on December 25th. There is no record of him being born to a virgin.

Zarathustra: Zarathustra, the founder of Zoroastrianism, does not have a widely accepted birthdate or the story of being born on December 25th to a virgin.

Hercules: Hercules is a mythological figure from Greek mythology, and there's no historical record of his birthdate or being born to a virgin on December 25th.

Mithras: Mithras is a figure from Persian mythology, and there is no historical evidence to support the claim of his birth on December 25th or from a virgin.

Dionysus: Dionysus is another Greek god, and there's no historical record of his birth on December 25th or being born to a virgin.

Tammuz: Tammuz is a figure from ancient Mesopotamian mythology, and there is no historical evidence for his birth on December 25th or being born to a virgin.

Hermes: Hermes is a Greek god, and there are no historical records indicating his birth on December 25th or from a virgin.

Adonis: Adonis is a figure from Phoenician mythology, and there's no historical evidence supporting his birth on December 25th or from a virgin.

Jesus Christ: Jesus Christ's birthdate is traditionally celebrated on December 25th in Christianity. However, historical records indicate that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but the year 4 BC or 6 BC is often suggested, and there is no historical evidence of his birth to a virgin on December 25th. Additionally, Jesus is not considered a Roman god but a central figure in Christianity.

In summary, many of the claims about these figures' birthdates and circumstances appear to be based on mythological traditions rather than historical records. It's essential to distinguish between mythology and historical fact when discussing these figures."

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-12-07 05:41 AM | Reply

Donner,

I then asked if the believers of each god believe it is true and it responded,

"Belief systems and religious traditions can vary widely, and the beliefs of followers of different gods or deities may differ significantly. It's important to understand that beliefs in religious or mythological figures are often deeply rooted in cultural and religious contexts. Here's a general overview of how beliefs can vary:

Christianity (Jesus Christ): Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and that he was born of the Virgin Mary. They celebrate his birth on December 25th as a significant religious holiday, known as Christmas.

Hinduism (Krishna): Hindus believe in the divine nature of Krishna, but his birthdate is celebrated on Janmashtami, which falls on a different date in the Hindu calendar, not on December 25th. Krishna's birth story is a central part of Hindu religious texts.

Buddhism (Buddha): Buddhists do not typically attribute divine birth or celebrate Buddha's birth in the same way as some other religions. Buddha's life story is an essential part of Buddhist teachings, but it does not involve a virgin birth on December 25th.

Egyptian Mythology (Horus): Ancient Egyptian beliefs in Horus are part of their mythology, and these myths differ from the stories in Christianity. The mythology surrounding Horus has its own distinct narrative.

Greek Mythology (Hercules, Dionysus, Hermes): Greek mythology includes a pantheon of gods and heroes, and these stories are seen as myths rather than religious beliefs in contemporary society.

Zoroastrianism (Zarathustra): Zoroastrianism has its own religious texts and beliefs about Zarathustra, which do not typically include a December 25th birthdate or a virgin birth.

Persian Mythology (Mithras): The worship of Mithras was part of ancient Persian and Roman mystery religions. It had its own beliefs and rituals, including a birth story, but it is not widely practiced today.

Phoenician Mythology (Adonis): Adonis is a figure from Phoenician mythology, and beliefs about him would have been part of the ancient Phoenician religion. There are no modern religious practices associated with Adonis.

Mesopotamian Mythology (Tammuz): Tammuz was part of ancient Mesopotamian mythology, and beliefs about him were specific to that time and culture."

#42 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-12-07 05:42 AM | Reply

...Christianity is not Judaism.
#11 | Posted by BellRinger

Christianity is a sub sect of Judaism. Jesus can only be viewed as a messiah in context of the Torah. Christians are Jews.

#43 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2023-12-07 11:04 AM | Reply

It's essential to distinguish between mythology and historical fact when discussing these figures."

#41 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bill,

They are all based in mythologies. I personally don't believe any of them are very "accurate ". Also Christianity has had no trouble mixing myths with history. Why should I?

And you gotta love this one:

Jesus Christ: Jesus Christ's birthdate is traditionally celebrated on December 25th in Christianity. However, historical records indicate that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but the year 4 BC or 6 BC is often suggested, and there is no historical evidence of his birth to a virgin on December 25th. Additionally, Jesus is not considered a Roman god but a central figure in Christianity.

Which was the basis of my post.

No historic evidence of Jesus being born of a virgin? What? This is only the most important event in the entire religion.

Additionally Jesus is not considered a (Roman) god? What?

Of course an AI would say that. What would an AI consider a (Roman) god?

I am surprised you didn't go after the Jesus being born of a virgin around 300AD. That even seemed weird to me.

As for the others they are just as much nonsense as Christianity. Which wasn't the point. The point was "Christmas" was stolen by the Christians first.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-07 01:09 PM | Reply

Donner,

I wasn't disagreeing with the Christian significance of Dec 25.

It was your opinion all the other listed religious icons had the same mythological similarities.

You pulled that out of thin air.

#45 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-12-07 01:24 PM | Reply

People debating the accuracy of -------- is funny

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2023-12-07 01:53 PM | Reply

The Winter Solstice was a celebration among ancient peoples before Egyptian Pharaohs started celebrating birthdays 3000 years ago...
and it was a long time before celebrating ones birthday was common among, well, commoners.

But the Winter Solstice in what we now call December became a catch all time of birthday celebrations, as one can see from the list.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-07 03:26 PM | Reply

Truth,

You missed the point.

Even people who are into each listed "religion" wouldn't agree with Donner.

His comment came out of thin air.

#48 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2023-12-07 03:40 PM | Reply

44... see 24

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-07 03:52 PM | Reply

The people who don't like the birth of Christ being celebrated in December can fight this as hard as they want to they'll only end up encouraging the 1% to force people to work without a holiday all winter.

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-07 04:59 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm not a lefty, pagan.

Swallow it.

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2023-12-07 05:03 PM | Reply

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