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Wednesday, December 06, 2023

An unnamed IDF official cited by AP says that at least 15,000 Palestinians in Gaza have died since the outbreak of the war on October 7. The army says it estimates more than 5,000 of the Gaza deaths to be Hamas terrorists. AFP quotes an unnamed Israeli official: "I'm not saying it's not bad that we have a ratio of two to one," noting that the use of human shields was part of Hamas's "core strategy."

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#1 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2023-12-06 01:49 AM | Reply

Agreed. Putin is a murderous pig.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-06 07:58 AM | Reply

"I'm not saying it's not bad that we have a ratio of two to one," noting that the use of human shields was part of Hamas's "core strategy."

A comparison of military strategies:

#3 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-06 08:57 AM | Reply

Hamas is a terrorist organization, yet Israel kills more civilians.

So what's Israel.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"A comparison of military strategies"

You're in favor of the military strategy that deliberately targets civilians.

Very Old Testament of you.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 09:17 AM | Reply

...noting that the killing of human shields was part of IDF's "core strategy."

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 09:21 AM | Reply

It's probably at least 50% higher than that. No reason for IDF to be truthful.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-06 11:43 AM | Reply

A video of how Hamas expected things to go when they used their own people as human shields.

#8 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-06 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's easy to get a 2-1 ratio when you just label everyone Hamas.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-06 11:59 AM | Reply

15,000 10,000 and 5,000.

Such nice, neat numbers.

Totally believable.

By Israeli shills who hate Palestinians and want them dead.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 12:52 PM | Reply

Remind me again why the Israelis are such great people? Their right to peace, freedom and security is understood, and such rights should also extend to the Palestinians...

#11 | Posted by catdog at 2023-12-06 01:58 PM | Reply

"15,000 10,000 and 5,000.
Such nice, neat numbers.
Totally believable."

IDF believes them.
I guess you know more than IDF.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 02:21 PM | Reply

Remind me again why the Israelis are such great people? Their right to peace, freedom and security is understood, and such rights should also extend to the Palestinians... #11 | Posted by catdog

Yeah, too bad some unknown group broke a ceasefire by targeting Israeli civilians; raping and murdering 1,400 men, women, and children on October 7th. If only we could figure out who did it.

On an unrelated note, 80% of Palestinians supported Hamas's murders after October 7th, with 98% indicating that the attacks made them feel "prouder of their identity as Palestinians."

#13 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-06 02:23 PM | Reply

with 98% indicating that the attacks made them feel "prouder of their identity as Palestinians."

How does that compare to Israeli support for IDF response and the 10,000 dead Palestinian civilians?

There was good polling on both sides.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 02:27 PM | Reply

"Yeah, too bad some unknown group broke a ceasefire by targeting Israeli civilians; raping and murdering 1,400 men, women, and children on October 7th. If only we could figure out who did it."

Why didn't Netanyahu defend Israel from that?

Any guesses?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 02:28 PM | Reply

Oh look, the IDF is pulling numbers out of its Kippah.

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2023-12-06 02:34 PM | Reply

Why didn't Netanyahu defend Israel from that?

Why didn't the women dress more appropriately.

Thanks for telling me you appreciate sexual atrocities without telling me.

#17 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 02:54 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Tell me you can't read without telling me you can't read.

#18 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-06 02:55 PM | Reply

"Why didn't the women dress more appropriately."

Why wasn't the border with the known terrorist group being guarded?

You can't answer why. Neither can Censored.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Blusky has a chance at answering why the border with HAMAS was left unguarded. Maybe ask him.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 03:00 PM | Reply

Do you think the Israeli intelligence Trump shared with Putin made its way to HAMAS?

I do.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IDF believes them.
I guess you know more than IDF.
#12 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I know better than to trust the IDF.

I know there's no way they killed exactly 15,000 people and that exactly 5,000 were Hamas.

Sounds like something someone would make up.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 03:08 PM | Reply

"I know there's no way they killed exactly 15,000 people and that exactly 5,000 were Hamas."

LOL

I mean, at least they didn't say "We don't do body counts" while also pretending Pat Tillman should get counted in the other column.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 03:14 PM | Reply

Yeah, too bad some unknown group broke a ceasefire by targeting Israeli civilians; raping and murdering 1,400 men, women, and children on October 7th. If only we could figure out who did it.

The more you post how October 7th was what started all of this, the more it becomes absolutely clear how ignorant you are on the decades old conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 03:21 PM | Reply

at least they didn't say "We don't do body counts"

Definitely more believable.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-06 03:22 PM | Reply

"some unknown group"

You simp for Netanyahu... but you don't know what Hamas is.

You are exemplary of how bad Israel is at the PR game.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-06 03:50 PM | Reply

So Israel knew the attack was coming but decided to go with Dubya's fingers in ears and chanting la la la 9/11 plan.

#27 | Posted by northguy3 at 2023-12-06 08:48 PM | Reply

So Israel knew the attack was coming but decided to go with Dubya's fingers in ears and chanting la la la 9/11 plan. #27 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

Like I asked elsewhere:

Was it entrapment? The Israelis knew that the Palestinians can't resist their urge to murder civilian men, women, and children? It's like in Harold & Kumar when they poured that jar of pennies out in front of the Jew or whipped out that can of grape soda before the Black guy?

Clearly the Jews tricked the Palestinians into engaging in the largest pogrom since the Holocaust. Those tricksy Jewseses.

#28 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-07 12:40 AM | Reply

15,000 10,000 and 5,000.
Such nice, neat numbers.
Totally believable.
I know there's no way they killed exactly 15,000 people and that exactly 5,000 were Hamas.

"exactly" lol
The article says, "at least 15,000". Then it says, "it estimates more than 5,000 of the Gaza deaths to be Hamas".
You didn't read the article but you're compelled to comment anyway. You don't need to read the article, the details are meaningless to someone like you.

It's easy to get a 2-1 ratio when you just label everyone Hamas.
If they label everyone Hamas wouldn't that be a 1-to-1 ratio?
Numbers go brrrrr

Can you two at least be coherent?

Citah lost to Villa so I'm feeling generous.
Here's something you can spread on TikTok to achieve the virtue signal you're so desperate for:
Israel estimates ~30,000 Hamas militants.
To achieve their stated goal of wiping out all of Hamas that will mean at least 60,000 civilians will be killed before it's over.
So ~90,000 deaths in Gaza with a population of 778,000.
Put another way, 12% of Gaza is going to die.
That's 10x the death rate in relation to population of the American Civil War.
It's a higher percentage of deaths than Germans killed in WW2.

#29 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-12-07 03:05 AM | Reply

Whatever they say, divide by 10. Goes for both sides.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-12-07 09:43 AM | Reply

"Hamas is a terrorist organization, yet Israel kills more civilians."

Nah. HAMAS put those civilians in a position where Israel is forced to choose between defeating HAMAS or not killing civilians.

According to LOAC, HAMAS had just as much a role as Israel. And while we don't know if Israel is committing war crimes (I don't think they are), we KNOW HAMAS is.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 01:18 AM | Reply

Yeah, too bad some unknown group broke a ceasefire by targeting Israeli civilians; raping and murdering 1,400 men, women, and children on October 7th. If only we could figure out who did it.

I love it how you idiots act like this started out of the blue on October 7, 2023.

If you have to dishonestly present it, you're arguing for the wrong side.

And before any of you black and white, binary thinking geniuses say it, no, I don't support Hamas one bit.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-08 08:03 AM | Reply

If they label everyone Hamas wouldn't that be a 1-to-1 ratio?
Numbers go brrrrr

Did the point really go that far over your brrrrrring little head?

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-08 08:26 AM | Reply

Nah. HAMAS put those civilians in a position where Israel is forced to choose between defeating HAMAS or not killing civilians.

Ahhhhh yes, the good ol' "meh, Hamas" response to dead children.

Some of y'all are exposing yourselves as some mentally ill, sociopathic, sick f&^%s.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-08 08:27 AM | Reply

Not as sick as the strategy of using kids as shields in the first place. The whole point of war is to break your enemy's political will. Using children as shields is to break their opponents political will. If you want to win the conflict you have to have a stronger will than them. That's it. Clausewitz philosophy 101.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-12-08 11:33 AM | Reply

"Some of y'all are exposing yourselves as some mentally ill, sociopathic, sick f&^%s."

What efforts to you think HAMAS has taken to reduce civilian casualties?

As best as I can tell, civilian casualties are essential to the HAMAS strategy.

Thanks JPW, says HAMAS.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 11:47 AM | Reply

Ahhhhh yes, the good ol' "meh, Hamas" response to dead children. [...] #34 | Posted by jpw

Are you just pretending to not understand MadBomber's comment? You must be trolling, as you didn't include his very next sentence referencing the Law of Armed Conflict re: civilian/military targets.

Let me provide you with a visual depiction:

You have every right to stand around with your hands in your pockets while Hamas slaughters you and your family while using Palestinian babies as human shields. Israel is under no obligation to do so.

#37 | Posted by censored at 2023-12-08 11:47 AM | Reply

"Some of y'all are exposing yourselves as some mentally ill, sociopathic, sick f&^%s."

And you're exposing yourself as someone who feels that Israel shouldn't military engage HAMAS if the result is dead civilians.

I can tell you with absolutely certainty that, had the west taken that approach with ISIS, The Islamic State would now be far larger and far more powerful that it was even at it's strongest.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 11:49 AM | Reply

"Are you just pretending to not understand MadBomber's comment? You must be trolling, as you didn't include his very next sentence referencing the Law of Armed Conflict re: civilian/military targets."

I'm guessing JPW has limited exposure to LOAC or military OpLaw.

JPW is operating on personal feelings alone.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And HAMAS doesn't need you to like them. HAMAS only needs you to pressure your peers and your government into stopping Israel from going after them.

In some circles, people like you are referred to as "useful idiots."

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 11:52 AM | Reply

Headed to the Christmas Markets. Threat level is elevated based on risk from Palestinian-inspired terrorists.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-08 11:53 AM | Reply

As best as I can tell, civilian casualties are essential to the HAMAS strategy.

Of course they are. They are terrorist ------. They probably have not signed any kind of agreements on how to conduct civilized warfare either.

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2023-12-08 11:55 AM | Reply

And you're exposing yourself as someone who feels that Israel shouldn't military engage HAMAS if the result is dead civilians.
I can tell you with absolutely certainty that, had the west taken that approach with ISIS, The Islamic State would now be far larger and far more powerful that it was even at it's strongest.

#38 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

There is a fundamental difference between ignoring civilian casualties and attempting to minimize them. Hint: You are still required to minimize civilian loss of life.

No one is defending Hamas using human shields. But saying Israel can ignore civilian casualties because Hamas is using human shields is a clear violation of international law. This is Protocol I of the Geneva Convention.

JPW is legally and morally correct: Saying "meh, Hamas" put them there so it's not our problem is not a legally or morally defensible position.

And the argument that Israel has to ignore entirely civilian casualties to defeat Hamas is ridiculous.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-08 12:01 PM | Reply

That's the catch. They are taking actions to minimize civilian loss of life in an active warzone. They being the IDF. Hamas does the exact opposite and is on camera opening fire on civilian evacuation corridors.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-12-08 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They are taking actions to minimize civilian loss of life in an active warzone.

"War zone"

Only one side has a military.

The other side is getting bombed while waiting for water.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-08 01:32 PM | Reply

They are taking actions to minimize civilian loss of life in an active warzone.

#44 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

In what world are they doing this?

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-08 03:26 PM | Reply

They are taking actions to minimize civilian loss of life in an active warzone.
#44 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

The war zone they created when they declared war on Hamas...
It makes its own gravy.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 03:30 PM | Reply

Did the point really go that far over your brrrrrring little head?
#33 | Posted by jpw

If you have to dishonestly present it, you're arguing for the wrong side.
#32 Posted by jpw

Did you notice what you did there? I'll summarize: There was a dishonest presentation of the numbers in an attempt to discredit them. Then by the standards of evidence they (Syco and clownshow) created they still got basic facts wrong. If the IDF is lying as they suggest, why not lean into the lie? 2-to-1, like 3.7 roentgen, is not great, not terrible. If they are lying they could say 3 Hamas per civilian or 5per or whatever they want.
During this exchange one side is being very loose with the truth and the other side is trying to be as precise as possible.
Guess which side you're backing.

Over the last month I've never noticed more blatant dishonesty in the way stories are presented on this site. Almost every headline about this conflict is changed by the OP, usually skewed to paint Hamas in a better light and Israel in a poorer one. Over and over and over, every thread.
Israeli gun ships didn't just hit civilians at the music festival, "they fired until they ran out of ammo" to make Hamas look bad.
Babies (Arab babies of course) aren't just killed, they are "vaporized".
Israel isn't just killing Palestinians, they are "committing genocide".
Gaza isn't crowded, it's "one of the densest place in the world" (it isn't in the top 100).

And my comment is where you chose to make your stand? Revealing all by itself
Hypocrisy goes brrrrr

#48 | Posted by BluSky at 2023-12-08 11:22 PM | Reply

"They probably have not signed any kind of agreements on how to conduct civilized warfare either."

They don't need to. Although if HAMAS leadership is anything like ISIS, they're going to wind up dead at the end of a hellfire coming off an MQ-9. They'll never make it to the Hague. I think everyone is happier that way anyway.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 03:48 AM | Reply

"There is a fundamental difference between ignoring civilian casualties and attempting to minimize them. Hint: You are still required to minimize civilian loss of life."

100% true. My experience working with the Israelis is that they do that. Actually, my only real-world experience working with the Israeli Air Force was in using some of the methods they had developed to minimize collateral damage.

And we know they attempt to minimize civilian casualties because they are announcing to the Gazans exactly what they are going to be doing.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 03:52 AM | Reply

"But saying Israel can ignore civilian casualties because Hamas is using human shields is a clear violation of international law."

Do you have evidence to suggest that Israel is ignoring them?

Again, not sure how Israel does it, but in the US the target approval authority would be notified of the possibility of human shields, and it would be up to that individual, based on the legal and military guidance of his advisors, to determine if the gain from striking the target justified the risk of civilian casualties. I can't be 100% sure, but my experience suggests that Israel uses a similar methodology.

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 05:08 AM | Reply

"Only one side has a military."

Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades

The Izz ad-Din[note 1] al-Qassam Brigades (abbreviated as IQB;[11] Arabic: ... , lit.'Battalions of martyr Izz ad-Din al-Qassam'; often shortened to Al-Qassam Brigades[12][13]), named after Izz ad-Din al-Qassam, is the military wing of the Palestinian organization Hamas.[11][14][15] Currently led by Mohammed Deif and his deputy, Marwan Issa, IQB is the largest and best-equipped militant group operating within Gaza today.[11]

en.wikipedia.org

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 05:11 AM | Reply

"Israel isn't just killing Palestinians, they are "committing genocide".

The crazy thing is that many of those who are claiming genocide against the Palestinians are demanding genocide against Israelis. If not genocide, ethnic cleansing without a doubt.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 05:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you sick -------- swarm to defend yourselves.

It's ok, guys. Just own being POSes "cuz Hamas." Be proud of it. Buy a T shirt that says it.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:01 AM | Reply

JPW is operating on personal feelings alone.

#39 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm operating on the fact that you don't have to cheerlead for anyone and that most sides being repulsive and wrong isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:03 AM | Reply

In some circles, people like you are referred to as "useful idiots."

#40 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Says the little bitch cheerleader for Israel.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:06 AM | Reply

Did you notice what you did there?

My comment about dishonest presentation was about the numbers.

Go back and reread the post.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:12 AM | Reply

Almost every headline about this conflict is changed by the OP, usually skewed to paint Hamas in a better light and Israel in a poorer one. Over and over and over, every thread.

I haven't noticed this but I suspect that's not what's happening.

I suspect you're just another binary thinker who sees criticism of Israel and immediately jumps to duhhhhhh YoY LoVe HaMaS!!

Because I haven't seen a single person here actually support Hamas or portray them in a good or better light.

Most of us see to be tired of Israel whaling on the Palestinians while saying "why do you keep hitting yourself, why do you keep hitting yourself?" Almost always because of the dishonest behavior of the Israel cheerleaders who act as if this started on October 7.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:16 AM | Reply

Hypocrisy goes brrrrr

#48 | POSTED BY BLUSKY

The hypocrisy argument is as weak as it gets. Almost exclusively made by people who have no argument (you don't because you didn't even understand one of my comments you used to craft your BS post) but feel compelled to speak anyway.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:17 AM | Reply

And we know they attempt to minimize civilian casualties because they are announcing to the Gazans exactly what they are going to be doing.

#50 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

This is like saying a murderer really isn't that bad because they gave their victim a chance by telling them they are going to blow them up.

All while ignoring the murderer has locked the doors and barred all windows of the house they're in when they detonate.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:20 AM | Reply

"I'm operating on the fact that you don't have to cheerlead for anyone and that most sides being repulsive and wrong isn't a difficult concept to grasp."

Did you cheerlead for the west when they were crushing ISIS in Iraq and Syria?

Was WWII just another example of unnecessary USan bloodlust?

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:30 AM | Reply

"Says the little bitch cheerleader for Israel."

HAMAS appreciates your support.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:30 AM | Reply

"Because I haven't seen a single person here actually support Hamas or portray them in a good or better light."

Any person who states "from the river to the sea" is 100% an advocate of ethnic cleansing, if not outright genocide.

Let's do this: Could Palestinians live peacefully in an Israeli state? Of course. It's happening right now.

Could Israelis live peacefully in a Palestinian state? It's maybe possible, but every last indication points towards a "no" verdict.

And your comment is akin to saying you don't support the KKK, but you kinda sorta understand where they are coming from.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:33 AM | Reply

"This is like saying a murderer really isn't that bad because they gave their victim a chance by telling them they are going to blow them up."

You think this is bad? Where were you when the west was at war with ISIS? OIR was a coalition of something like 30 countries, all dropping bombs on ISIS.

What the Israelis are doing in Gaza is nothing compared to what the west was doing during the higher points of OIR.

But, the alternative is you avoid civilian casualties and let ISIS operate unimpeded.

I'm not throwing spears at you...this is what I do for a living. If you have no exposure to Ops Law, or targeting, or policy, you're going to fill those gaps with what you think is the right answer.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:38 AM | Reply

"All while ignoring the murderer has locked the doors and barred all windows of the house they're in when they detonate."

Who are you talking about? HAMAS?

You seem to be overly critical of Israel, who literally is taking measures to minimize collateral damage, while remaining silent on HAMAS, who seems intent on maximizing collateral damage.

So, it seems to me that your position should be that Israel should try harder to avoid non-combatant casualties, but ISIS should be killed where they are found, or at the very least sent to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes.

BTW...I can't say one way or the other if Israel is committing war crimes, but I know for a fact HAMAS is.

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:42 AM | Reply

Was WWII just another example of unnecessary USan bloodlust?

#61 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Hope you stretched before this reach.

HAMAS appreciates your support.

#62 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You're an idiot. So much so it explains why you're such a bleeding gash of a cheerleader.

Any person who states "from the river to the sea" is 100% an advocate of ethnic cleansing, if not outright genocide.

Has anybody here said that?

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 10:47 AM | Reply

"Has anybody here said that?"

You don't seem to understand what Israel is doing right now.

It's eliminating the "from the river to the sea" element from Gaza.

You don't appear to be supportive of that, which suggests to me that you're OK with the "from the river to the sea" element.

Or...let's do this. If HAMAS were to somehow gain an advantage, would you be supportive of the US conducting strikes against HAMAS targets? Knowing that a HAMAS victory would result in a second holocaust?

BTW, if the US were to conduct strikes against HAMAS, it would almost certainly look exactly like the Israeli strikes against HAMAS.

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:58 AM | Reply

Oh, and do you have a number for how many Palestinians in the West Bank were killed today?

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 10:59 AM | Reply

but in the US the target approval authority would be notified of the possibility of human shields, and it would be up to that individual, based on the legal and military guidance of his advisors, to determine if the gain from striking the target justified the risk of civilian casualties. I can't be 100% sure, but my experience suggests that Israel uses a similar methodology.
#51 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I've watched documentaries on Iraq, and this is exactly how it was laid out.

They had to go up the chain to figure out if they could target an individual or house, even though at the time the individuals were dispersing on motorcycles and scooters.

You don't get the sense on the DR these Lumpers understand the complexity of the way the West wages war against asymmetrical opponents.

#69 | Posted by oneironaut at 2023-12-09 11:40 AM | Reply

You don't seem to understand what Israel is doing right now.
It's eliminating the "from the river to the sea" element from Gaza.
You don't appear to be supportive of that, which suggests to me that you're OK with the "from the river to the sea" element.

You're inserting a ton of your own interpretation and bias then addressing that.

That's called a strawman.

What I'm saying isn't hard. That you're incapable of grasping it says a lot (of not good things) about you.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2023-12-09 11:56 AM | Reply

"but in the US the target approval authority would be notified of the possibility of human shields, and it would be up to that individual, based on the legal and military guidance of his advisors, to determine if the gain from striking the target justified the risk of civilian casualties."

Do you think that's why we lost?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-09 12:01 PM | Reply

"You don't get the sense on the DR these Lumpers understand the complexity of the way the West wages war against asymmetrical opponents."

No. They don't get it. I don't think they want to get it.

Making decisions based on emotion is so much more satisfying.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 12:18 PM | Reply

"What I'm saying isn't hard. That you're incapable of grasping it says a lot (of not good things) about you."

Sure. I'm not here to put words in your mouth.

You don't seem like an idiot, but objectively, I can't see why you're so critical of Israel and so not-critical of HAMAS.

HAMAS is an organization that, I would think, it antithetical to everything you stand for. Yet you're critical of those who are actually trying to eliminate HAMAS.

You should be critical of me, dude. You should think I'm a monster. That my boss was a monster. Because we blew eastern Syria and western Iraq the ---- up. Go on google earth and look at images of Hajin. There are still craters everywhere.

The alternative was that ISIS exist and continue to grow. And regardless of how many non-ISIS people were killed (not a lot I would think), ISIS was an organization that needed to go away, in much the same way that the German National Socialists needed to go away.

#73 | Posted by madbomber at 2023-12-09 12:26 PM | Reply

73

5 Drudgie Points!

MB worked in the word Socialists in a negative conatation.

On topic... looking for the good guys in this fight is futile.

Hamas will say they were subjugated and abused for decades, which led to their attack.

Israel will say they are saving future lives on both sides with a permanent solution.

I say a pox on both your houses.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2023-12-09 12:37 PM | Reply

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