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Thursday, December 07, 2023

Senate Republicans on Wednesday blocked the advance of a $110 billion package of wartime funding for Ukraine and Israel as well as other national security priorities as they tried to force President Joe Biden to include changes to U.S. border policy.

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Ukraine and Israel, funding tied together. Repubs wrangling for an adjustment to immigration quotas to sign off on it.

I am curious about how the progressive wing of the DNC feels about funding the invasion of Gaza, what's their demands to sign off on the funding?

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2023-12-07 07:58 AM | Reply

What do you expect from the --------- of a party whose leader welcomed Russian bounties placed on American soldiers?

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-12-07 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin's Pals Think the GOP Just Won Them the War in Ukraine

www.thedailybeast.com

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-12-07 04:57 PM | Reply

It's Stumbleville writ large.

#5 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2023-12-07 08:17 PM | Reply

^^^^^^^^
It loves dead American troops and dead Ukrainian children equally.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-12-07 08:20 PM | Reply

@#3

I had heard about that aspect of what the Republicans seem to be fighting for, but that was the first time I saw a link of quotes.

Thank-you.

So now, it appears the Republicans have gone full-tilt in favor of Pres Putin and his war upon Democracy.

Given that the current leader of the Republican Party has stated he wants to become a dictator should he win the Oval Office, this is no real surprise besides ... WTF happened to the Republican Party?

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-07 08:27 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY HIMMLER

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2023-12-07 08:52 PM | Reply

@#9

Yeah, the current GOP seems to be more focused upon destroying our Republic's democracy than they are about protecting the democracy of others.

Which leads leads me to ask as quite serious question...

What do Republicans have against democracy?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-07 08:55 PM | Reply

What do Republicans have against democracy?
#10 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Fascists don't believe in small "d" democracy...they wouldn't have any power if not for gaming the system, cheating, voter suppression and authoritarianism.

#11 | Posted by chuffy at 2023-12-07 09:06 PM | Reply

"Senate Republicans Block Israel Aid"

Remind me,
Which party hates the Jews?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-07 11:23 PM | Reply

Republicans aren't even sure what border changes they want.

This is all about helping Putin. Republicans are traitors and should be treated as such.

#13 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-08 01:51 AM | Reply

@#13 ... This is all about helping Putin. ...

Ya know, I used to dismiss such comments.

But lately, not so much.

Which leads me to another question...

What does Pres Putin have of so many Republicans that those Republicans appear to do his bidding?

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-08 02:12 AM | Reply

Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
www.youtube.com

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-08 02:13 AM | Reply

"What does Pres Putin have of so many Republicans that those Republicans appear to do his bidding?"

They're gay. They're pay for play. Get used to it.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-08 02:53 AM | Reply

This part about the border security needs done. On national news yesterday, 3000 migrants in one day in Texas. The cities that say they are sanctuaries are moaning over what they have gotten sent to them from the border. 3000 migrants a day is 90,000 in a 30 day month. This is the start of winter a time when fewer migrants show up. This goes on year after year and is steadily increasing in the amounts showing up. NYC got a mere 116,000 total and they are really complaining about the cost to house and feed them.

There are simply not enough facilities here in Texas to deal with them, they have to go somewhere. Nor is there federal money to support what seems to be a steady increase, year after year.

In addition to the migrants coming over the border are the coyotes (name given for those paid to smuggle in migrants) have caused 98 traffic deaths this year, running from the law in high speed chases.

Then there are the problems of unchecked migrants that possibly are parts of terrorist cells. Increasingly, reports are they are seeing Chinese attempting to come in through our porous borders. A few have even tried coming down from Canada but that's a harder path to get in, due to the cold.

It is truly an invasion.

#17 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-12-08 04:54 AM | Reply

"Republicans aren't even sure what border changes they want.
This is all about helping Putin. Republicans are traitors and should be treated as such.
#13 | Posted by Sycophant"
u r delusional.
btw they want the border secured and have always clearly stated such.
I agree with them, so its not just republicans.
you will agree as well but only after its too effing late

#20 | POSTED BY PASTMYPRIME

And they have no idea HOW they want to secure the border.

6 months ago they were talking about reducing funding for Border Control.

"After it's too late". Ha. According to our jobs reporters, we need these immigrants.

But if you really want to stop illegal immigration, why do Republicans REFUSE to go after companies that hire them? You know why. They don't REALLY want to stop illegal immigration. It's a political talking point rubes like you fall for.

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2023-12-08 10:20 AM | Reply

#22

" The bill (SB 1718), which the Republican-controlled Legislature passed during the session that ended last week, includes stepping up requirements on businesses to check the immigration status of workers, cracking down on people who bring undocumented immigrants into Florida and collecting data about whether hospital patients are in the country legally."

www.cbsnews.com

#23 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-08 11:24 AM | Reply

I am curious about how the progressive wing of the DNC feels about funding the invasion of Gaza, what's their demands to sign off on the funding?

Good question. Democrats rarely exact a penance for bills thought to be routine, bwcause they aren't Russian pawns or (in the case of domestic spending bills) anti-American anarchists.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2023-12-08 11:37 AM | Reply

It is truly an invasion.

#17 | POSTED BY BBQ

The problems do not originate at the border.

Yes we absolutely need to upgrade immigration laws. Which will never happen with this Congress.

But the real problem is WHY they are all coming here and no one wants to address any of that.

So good luck with your border band aides . They will never stop the problem. Unless you want to be as inhumane as the Israelis (or Trumpy republicans).

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2023-12-08 02:18 PM | Reply

I've been to the Texas border three times in the last few years.
The razor-wire floating thingys and the razor wire in three layers and the shipping containers were ridiculous, over the top. Why not arrest them, process them, ship them back by bus?

We're overwhelmed with migrants. The three border towns I have visited in Texas are overwhelmed too.

#26 | Posted by e1g1 at 2023-12-08 04:57 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, Mexico doesn't want the GOP House either.

#27 | Posted by Jaspar at 2023-12-08 06:27 PM | Reply

The problems do not originate at the border.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy
__________________________________

I very much agree with you on this aspect. Lamplighter brought up this issue in another thread. As I responded to him, I'll repeat. We've thrown endless amounts of money it seems at the problem, we've sent Special Forces for advisors, we've sent various dignitaries in attempts to reverse this, diplomat after diplomat to address this issue, all without seeming to have any effect on it.

We have to realize we can not change the world, beyond our borders. EU is facing the same invasion. All the migrants seem to either be headed this way for economic or safety concerns and the first world seems to be their Mecca. Our policies need some serious readjustments, with the acknowledgement of the real world we live in. Not the world of the 1950's. The initial migrants for the most part are not skilled in the things we need as far as tech end goes. They are willing to supply labor to do jobs we can't or won't do. So there is a place for them but not under these circumstances.

I am not against an orderly immigration. What we have now is anything but orderly. It's a mass of humanity without seeming end. In the border towns, there is no room for them, they are literally sleeping on the sidewalks after contacting law enforcement. There is little enough food to go around, the majority of it donated by charities. This didn't seem to be anyone else's problem in the US until they started shipping them out to other cities around the country. When the bill came due on housing, feeding, and health services, suddenly it's a bit much. They've only had a couple of years of this to deal with. Unacknowledged is that this has been going on a good while, decades. Every year seems more than the last year. In Texas, the finances have long ago been strained in dealing with this. We need to literally build tent cities to house them while waiting for a court hearing, not just releasing them. There are not enough Border Patrol agents, not enough judges, not enough lawyers to represent them, not enough hospital and doctors to attend the ailing. Those that are attending these are far too few with not enough time to address individual needs because of the mass influx. Everyone is overwhelmed.

#28 | Posted by BBQ at 2023-12-08 08:04 PM | Reply

Texans are welcome to raise taxes on their own residence in order to hire more lep to patrol their southern border.

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-09 04:59 PM | Reply

Sanctuary cities are welcome to raise taxes on their own residents in order to pay for the consequences of their votes.

#31 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-12-09 05:16 PM | Reply

If Texans are allowed to vote to raise taxes to deal with illegals, they should be able to deal with them as they see fit.

#32 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2023-12-09 05:18 PM | Reply

Congress is where legislation comes from.

If house republicans want border control laws, they should write some and send it to the Senate.

What's the problem

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2023-12-09 05:27 PM | Reply

Didn't know Texas had a lot of those.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2023-12-09 05:29 PM | Reply

Border enforce t is already on the books. Biden goes beyond minimal enforcement. He enables it.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-09 06:00 PM | Reply

Republicans won't support anyone fighting against Putin or his Hamas allies.

#36 | Posted by northguy3 at 2023-12-09 06:51 PM | Reply

#23. Two of the biggest employers of undocumented workers are Walmart and the Trump organization.
You really believe the MAGATs want them investigated?
Back in 2016, there was a local dairy farmer with Trump signs on almost every other roadside fence post.
Then the INS charged him with hiring illegals.
Funny that...

#37 | Posted by northguy3 at 2023-12-09 06:56 PM | Reply

@#35 ... Border enforce t is already on the books ...

The problem is not border enforcement.

The problem is what entices the immigrants to enter the Country.

Employers willing, so willing, to hire immigrants.

So, why not go after the problem and not the symptom of the problem?

Oh wait, a lot of those employers are in the agriculture red states.


#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-09 07:16 PM | Reply

It's a combination of factors. Oh, and Florida does have a law that targets employers. Fact is Democrats want as much illegal immigration as possible as the Biden admin has made abundantly clear with his actions. During the Trump years the left screamed about kids in cages. Yet nary a peep when those same detention centers were at 700% capacity under Biden or thousands of illegal aliens seeking shade under a bridge.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger at 2023-12-09 07:31 PM | Reply

@#39 ... It's a combination of factors. ...

Yup.

To wit...

An excerpt from the Border Patrol Union webpage that was deleted during fmr Pres Trump's term:
web.archive.org


  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).

  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.

  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.

  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.

  • ... Florida does have a law that targets employers. ...

    I praised that law when it was enacted, though I still wonder about the details in that law vs. what Gov DeSantis, at the time, stated about the law. I've since seen Gov Desalinates' propensity to prevaricate.



    #40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-09 07:41 PM | Reply

    @#39 ... During the Trump years the left screamed about kids in cages. Yet nary a peep when those same detention centers were at 700% capacity under Biden or thousands of illegal aliens seeking shade under a bridge. ...

    An irrelevant false equivalence attempt.


    #41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-09 07:49 PM | Reply

    "kids in cages"

    Families in cages, but then Trump put the kids in separate cages, away from their parents.

    And then people like you said, Trump was protecting the kids, because the parents were trafficking their own kids.

    Thanks for reading and understanding.

    #42 | Posted by snoofy at 2023-12-09 08:01 PM | Reply

    @#42

    Yeah, if you go into the details, the false equivalency looks even worse.


    #43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2023-12-09 08:15 PM | Reply

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