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Tuesday, January 23, 2024

GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley congratulated Donald Trump for his projected win in the New Hampshire Republican primary Tuesday but said she is staying in the race.

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We need her to go to the distance if only to prove that Trump doesn't own the Republican Party.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2024-01-23 08:56 PM | Reply

We need her to go to the distance if only to prove that Trump doesn't own the Republican Party.

It will take more than that.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-01-23 08:59 PM | Reply

Only a 13% difference between the two?

Next stop, South Carolina. ...

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 09:02 PM | Reply

We now have proof that Republicans aren't all on board with trump. We need to find out why and help them explain to other Republicans that he's dangerous deranged and demented.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2024-01-23 09:03 PM | Reply

Haley is positioning herself to be the Trump alternative come late summer or fall should something unexpected befall Trump between now and then. By something unexpected I mean like he catches a debilitating case of Covid from his lawyer or one of the court cases against him actually comes to trial and he gets convicted.

Either that or Nikki is about to become the new Liz Cheney of the GOP if she doesn't high tail it out of the race and kiss Trump's butt as she does so.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:04 PM | Reply

I think she's trying to be a viable alternative when trump gets convicted of something.

2nd place winning the race.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-23 09:06 PM | Reply

We now have proof that Republicans aren't all on board with trump. We need to find out why and help them explain to other Republicans that he's dangerous deranged and demented. #4 | Posted by Tor

Good luck with that.

"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him that he's been fooled"
-Maybe Mark ----- (Samuel Clemens, after the mentally challenged bleeped gets done with it)

#7 | Posted by censored at 2024-01-23 09:07 PM | Reply

PO1135809 lost over 40% of the vote...again. He's barely winning in his own primaries, and it will only continue to get worse for him. I predict that, even if he wins the primary, he's not going to get over 60% of the Repubican vote in the general. Not good for him, and anyone who hitched their wagon to the rapist, fraudulent traitor.

#8 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-01-23 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#5 ... Haley is positioning herself to be the Trump alternative come late summer or fall should something unexpected befall Trump between now and then. ...

Yeah, I do not disagree. But I will also say that I doubt if any of those unexpected events actually occur.

imo, fmr Pres Trump will be the nominee going into November.


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 09:11 PM | Reply

Only a 13% difference between the two?

That's a surprise. Lewzer is going to start calling her "Nancy".

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-01-23 09:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The people who don't like trump aren't doing so on any moral grounds. They hate trump because he's political poison in the general election and a loser. Same thing happened to George W Bush once he became a lame duck and therefore no longer worthwhile to the cause.

If there were moral considerations Trump would have never been the nominee to begin with. He's the same bag of crap he's always been.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-23 09:14 PM | Reply

@#8 ... He's barely winning in his own primaries, ...

Who can vote in the 2024 New Hampshire primary? Here's how today's race works
www.cbsnews.com

... What is an open primary?

New Hampshire is a semi-closed primary, which limits registered voters to the ballot for their own party while unenrolled voters can choose either. Open primaries allow any voter to cast their ballot for whatever party they choose.



Can Democrats and Independents vote in the New Hampshire primary?

Yes, Democrats and Independents can vote in Tuesday's presidential primary.

Registered Democrats must vote on their party's ballot. Unenrolled voters will have to choose either a Democratic or Republican ballot when you enter the polling place. ...


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 09:16 PM | Reply

#12 -
2018 - Repubicans lost
2020 - Repubicans lost
2022 - Repubicans lost

It's not going to get better for him, it's going to get worse. I'm not doing any victory dances, but he's a dumpster fire rolling downhill towards an ammo factory. He's going to go through some things in March.

He can't even formulate complete sentences anymore.

#13 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-01-23 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Yeah, I do not disagree. But I will also say that I doubt if any of those unexpected events actually occur.
imo, fmr Pres Trump will be the nominee going into November.
#9 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Oh, I agree, but what other reason could Haley have for staying in the race if she loses badly in SC?

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:24 PM | Reply

Nikki Haley is going to pose more of a threat to Biden than PO1135809 will.

#15 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-01-23 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fat Donnie Loser will be in a home by May.

#16 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-01-23 09:29 PM | Reply

Trump is big mad at Haley. And Sununu. They are going to get the Little Marco, Low Energy Jed, Lying Ted treatment now.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:30 PM | Reply

He is now marshalling other former GOP primary candidates to come out against Haley. About Haley claim she did well in Iowa, Trump said, I don't get too mad. I get even.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:33 PM | Reply

*Low Energy Jeb

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:35 PM | Reply

I wonder what nickname Trump is going to bestow on Haley?

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 09:40 PM | Reply

= Only a 13% difference between the two?

In a vote where Trump made all the rules?

That's exceptionally well done... and basically an, "anyone but Trump" vote.

She'll be the Post-Conviction Candidate!

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-23 09:47 PM | Reply

@#21 ... She'll be the Post-Conviction Candidate! ...

Maybe. maybe not.

I am still on the fence.

What I've been seeing of the Trump cult is throwing a monkey wrench into all my prior guidelines for watching the primaries.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 09:58 PM | Reply

@#20 ... I wonder what nickname Trump is going to bestow on Haley? ...

Haley says Trump uses nicknames because he feels insecure'
thehill.com

... Republican Presidential candidate Nikki Haley said during her appearance on Fox News that former President Trump uses nicknames for her because "he feels insecure" about her rise in the GOP primary as his biggest challenger.

Fox News's Neil Cavuto asked the former U.N. ambassador Saturday if she interprets Trump mocking her given first name as a "racial zinger."

Haley, who served in Trump's administration, said that politics is not "personal" to her and did not dispute them as a racial attack, but added that Trump is doing it because he feels "threatened."

"Politics is not personal for me. It's what he does," Haley responded on Cavuto Live. "This is what he does when he feels insecure. This is what he does when he feels threatened. I worked with him. I know exactly how he is."

In another example of the former president focusing on his opponent's race and ethnicity, Trump went after her in his post on TruthSocial on Friday, mocking Haley's birth name, repeatedly calling her "Nimbra."

"Governor Chris Sununu, the now failing Governor of New Hampshire, where I am beating his endorsed candidate, Nimbra, by big numbers, and DeSanctimonious by even bigger numbers, should spend more time keeping Democrats from voting in the Republican Primary " How ridiculous is that," Trump said in a post on Friday. ...


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 10:01 PM | Reply

Of course she is not quitting. The game is afoot!

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-01-23 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the sentiment I've slowly been coming to:

Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski

And of course the senile old wannabe gangster comes out with the unhinged threats and innuendos. If the majority of Americans believe this scumbag should be back in charge, we deserve to lose our Republic.

twitter.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-23 10:18 PM | Reply

@#25

I'm not willing to give up upon Americans.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-01-23 10:40 PM | Reply

"With 44 percent of the expected vote reporting, Trump leads "only" 54 percent to 44 percent."

S'riously?

What's wrong with this guy? He can't rig an election any better than he did rigging Fake Electors and the J6 Riot to stop the proceedings.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-23 11:07 PM | Reply

I didn't even bother to watch. It's no fun when you know ahead of time how it's going to turn out.

Liz Cheney would have made this Republican primary more newsworthy. I'm sorry she wasn't able to run.

No mention yet of how many write-in Biden got.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-01-23 11:27 PM | Reply

Republicans are so gullible.

Our ebil plan is working! The more we Democrats hate on Trumpy the more they love him. 91 indictments and 2 impeachments, insurrection, espionage, fraud and rape don't even faze them!

Boy are they stupid. They are making it too easy. Brandon is gonna beat him (again) without even breaking a sweat. Assuming Trumpy can stay out of jail and actually on the ballots.

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-01-23 11:28 PM | Reply

"We now have proof that Republicans aren't all on board with trump.
#4 | POSTED BY TOR"

70% of Nimrod's voters were Democrats - this after blanketing the state with $31M in ad spend. That is almost $300 per vote she received, a very sad ROI because she has no actual support.

But, with the Dems flocking to Nimrod, it just further cements that they are the pro-war, pro-MIC, return to W. Bush and NEOCON policies party.

Are you not yet ashamed of what you have morphed into by sticking with the Dems over their 20 year transformation? I am sure the 'you' of 20 years ago would be.

#30 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-23 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Nimrod

Self-description.

His Freudian Slip is showing yet again.

And the idea that Trump, the waddling global corporation would even care about the little guy?

That's rich.

- the pro-war, pro-MIC, return to W. Bush and NEOCON policies party.

Yes, you Republicans have always been Major Bitches.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-23 11:42 PM | Reply

"- Nimrod
Self-description."

Her parents named her, not me.

"And the idea that Trump, the waddling global corporation would even care about the little guy?
That's rich."

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if Trump truly cares or not - because his policies are what matter and they 100% have helped the 'little guy' vs. the absolutely ----------- they have received under Biden with runaway inflation, crime, and now outright government supported discrimination.

"- the pro-war, pro-MIC, return to W. Bush and NEOCON policies party.
Yes, you Republicans have always been Major Bitches.
#31 | POSTED BY CORKY"

This is the Democrat party now. War in Ukraine? Dems love it. War in Israel? Dems love it. Cruise missile strikes against brown people in Yemen? Dems love it.

This is who you are now. Own it.

#32 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-23 11:55 PM | Reply

- his policies are what matter and they 100% have helped the 'little guy

50 reasons the Trump administration is bad for workers

www.epi.org

How Trump Took the Middle Class to the Cleaners

The president promised a return to shared prosperity, but the benefits of his economic policies only bubbled up to the richest

www.rollingstone.com

Will Trump's Broken Promises to Working-Class Voters Cost Him the Election?
By Dan Kaufman

October 31, 2020

www.newyorker.com

You know nothing, Clod Snow.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 12:04 AM | Reply

DONNER

"and actually on the ballots."

I'm glad you mentioned that. I was getting ready to say that might be one of those "unexpected" reason Haley said she's going to go the distance.

Pipe dream or wishful thinking in my opinion. The only thing anybody can bet on is how far the conservative justices will go to stretch their interpretation of the 14th Amendment to exclude Trump.

Maybe Clarance Thomas needs a new RV or something.

#34 | Posted by Twinpac at 2024-01-24 12:05 AM | Reply

- This is the Democrat party now.

You just aren't very bright is all.

Let us know when Dark Brandon puts a half million US troops in the Middle East, 'm K?

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 12:06 AM | Reply

"#33 | POSTED BY CORKY"

During the entirety of Trump's presidency, real wage growth was positive (meaning wage growth outpaced inflation). That is what actually helps real, working people. That is why the polling on the current economy for Biden is so disastrous - because they remember getting ahead in life under Trump vs. falling behind and needed credit cards because they can no longer afford to eat and house themselves under Biden. You can try to lie to them about how they are 'better off now' under Bidenomics - but, people aren't that stupid. Their memories are not that short.

#36 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 12:10 AM | Reply

"Let us know when Dark Brandon puts a half million US troops in the Middle East, 'm K?
#35 | POSTED BY CORKY"

I won't need to tell you - you will be their waving the flag with blood lust. That is who you are now - unless, you want to tell me that we should not be funding ware in Ukraine, Israel, and Yemen...but, you won't do that because you are now pro-war. Just own it Neocon -------. Maybe if you ask nicely, John Bolton will give you a mustache ride.

#37 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 12:12 AM | Reply

- Neocon -------.- John Bolton

Your party, not ours.

You are the Republican here, not us.

What Biden is doing is about 1 percent of what your Party has done since the last good Republican President Ike warned us about the MIC.

Since then, they've all been Corporate Stooges, and still are.

Which is why you vote for them.

Donald Trump lied to you, see the links I posted above.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 12:16 AM | Reply

Economists say Trump's economic legacy will be defined by his failure in leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic that exacerbated the financial downturn, domestic policies that overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy, and international trade policies that hurt U.S. industry while simultaneously alienating allies.

By attempting to implement economic policy through the so-called "art of the deal" and ignoring lessons that many economists have learned over the last 50 years -- such as the importance of Fed independence, the effects of large budget deficits on trade deficits, the value of multilateral institutions such as the World Trade Organization and more -- he failed to achieve his own self-proclaimed goals of reducing the trade deficit with China, controlling the national debt or strengthening the American manufacturing sector."

Here is a look at the outgoing president's legacy on the U.S. economy."
more

abcnews.go.com

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"- Neocon -------.- John Bolton
Your party, not ours.
#38 | POSTED BY CORKY"

Bolton has been sent packing from the GOP - just like NEOCON Liz Cheney. They are Democrats now and you are aligned with them and their forever wars.

So, out of Ukraine, Israel, and Yemen - which one do you want to stop funding?

#40 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the effects of large budget deficits on trade deficits, the value of multilateral institutions such as the World Trade Organization"

Yeah, it was SO GREAT of Bill Clinton to bring China into the WTO and draft NAFTA. Are you really this stupid?

"he failed to achieve his own self-proclaimed goals of reducing the trade deficit with China,"

This is a multi-year movement. Trump caused the 'China + 1' that EVERY company is now doing. This also resulting in the massive onshoring of manufacturing the country has seen since 2016. Remember when Chocolate Carter said that it was impossible to bring manufacturing back to the US without a magic wand?

Here you go if you forgot: www.youtube.com

Well, those jobs did come back and ARE coming back. Also, China is undergoing a complete economic meltdown. This was 100% Trump's doing.

"controlling the national debt or strengthening the American manufacturing sector.
#39 | POSTED BY CORKY""

He brought back manufacturing jobs and is directly responsible for the ones under Biden now. These manufacturing plants are 3-4 year projects (from approval, to construction, to staffing) so what you see under Biden now for manufacturing is because of Trump.

On the debt, Trump's deficit (excluding interest payment) as a % of GDP was the lowest since Clinton. This is a complete 180 from what we have with Biden now running $2T deficits as far as the eye can see.

#41 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 12:40 AM | Reply

" The president promised a return to shared prosperity, but the benefits of his economic policies only bubbled up to the richest"

Not surprising, when you read the Trump Tax Code. At fruition, workers taxes went UP.

Meanwhile, foreign investors got more money from the TTC than American workers. And corporate taxes got slashed 40%, permanently.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" On the debt, Trump's deficit (excluding interest payment) as a % of GDP was the lowest since Clinton. This is a complete 180 from what we have with Biden now running $2T deficits as far as the eye can see."

Why are you excluding interest on Trump, but including it in Biden's number?

Republican Math, again?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, obviously you can't read any of the economic charts in the article, as you just come out and claim the exact opposite of what they show.

But the, you can't stupid.

You can't fix stupid. There's not a pill you can take, or a class you can go to.
Ron White

I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have the ability.
Ron White

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 12:48 AM | Reply

Why are you excluding interest on Trump, but including it in Biden's number?
Republican Math, again?
#43 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The batteries run low on Vernon's Calculator.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-24 01:25 AM | Reply

"Meanwhile, foreign investors got more money from the TTC than American workers."

Wasn't investors getting more money than workers the goal of the Thirteen Colonies from the get-go?

I mean, that's just how Capitalism is supposed to work. The investors deserve to make more than the workers. They take the "risks." It's funny because they are the only ones who can afford to take the "risks." Regular people have to "go to work" for the "risk takers" and hope the risk takers don't screw up.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-24 01:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"During the entirety of Trump's presidency, real wage growth was positive (meaning wage growth outpaced inflation)."

What good are wages when Trump let you lose your job because of the China Virus?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-24 01:51 AM | Reply

"Remember when Chocolate Carter said that it was impossible to bring manufacturing back to the US without a magic wand?"

The racism just never ends.
Leave it to a white guy to sign the CHIPS Act.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-01-24 01:54 AM | Reply

"Why are you excluding interest on Trump, but including it in Biden's number?
Republican Math, again?
#43 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

These are two different topics ------- so please keep them separate.

As a ratio of deficit spending (excluding interest payment), Trump has the lowest metric since Clinton. For Biden, he inflates back up to W Bush and Obama levels.

As a separate topic/number - Biden is running the deficit up to $2T+ yearly as far as the eye can see. This is unprecedented in modern times except in the case of extraordinary events (housing crash of 2008 and 2020 pandemic). According to Biden - we have a 'robust' economy now - yet, we are expanding the deficit. This is unprecedented. In fact, ALL of the GDP growth we have seen in the 2 2 years has been the result of the growing government deficit - not actual business activity.

#49 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 02:38 AM | Reply

"Leave it to a white guy to sign the CHIPS Act.
#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

He signed the CHIPS act as a giveaway to companies that had already announced they were divesting from China and bringing jobs back to the USA. Take Intel for example - their Ohio plans were 5 years in the making - their decision had literally NOTHING to do with the CHIPS act - it was just a nice handout on top.

#50 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 02:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"These are two different topics"

Is that why you used two different equations?

Curious as to why Trump got away with not counting interest, while Biden's number clearly includes interest, INCLUDING INTEREST ON TRUMP'S ADDITIONAL DEBT.

That's about an intellectually dishonest as it comes.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 03:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"According to Biden - we have a 'robust' economy now - yet, we are expanding the deficit. This is unprecedented."

Huh? Were you asleep when Dubya and Cheney reset America's fiscal sights away from surpluses and into deficits?

And let me guess: after they reset the fiscal sights to endless deficits...you voted for them again.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 03:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Closed primaries rule the day from here on out. It's just a matter of how big the margins will be with only Republicans allowed to vote in them. Trump has it wrapped up, and I was going to register Republican to vote for him in the primary but I don't even need to now.

#53 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-01-24 03:35 AM | Reply

"Is that why you used two different equations?"

I used 2 different equations because there were 2 different points being made. Literally, stop the stupid and try to keep up.

"Curious as to why Trump got away with not counting interest"

Huh? When did this happen?

"while Biden's number clearly includes interest, INCLUDING INTEREST ON TRUMP'S ADDITIONAL DEBT.
#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Which is why one metric is deficit (minus interest payments) as a % of GDP and one is total deficit. See - 2 different metrics, 2 different equations.

If you still don't get it, I will ask Corky to teach you how to count to 2, I don't have time for it.

#54 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 05:14 AM | Reply

The spending and debt wasn't even a problem until that fraud Fauci said the country had to be shut down and the government started paying everyone to sit at home. Biden isn't paying a soul to sit at home and look at his debt and deficits. That fraudulently installed dementia ---- has no excuse

#55 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-01-24 05:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"#55 | POSTED BY THEBULL"

Finally, there is someone other than me posting here that has common sense.

#56 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 05:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

On the debt, Trump's deficit (excluding interest payment)

Because interest doesn't matter for sh*tler.

- Republiturd Maff

#57 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 07:10 AM | Reply

PO1135809 lost over 40% of the vote...again.

And 50% of those who voted for Haley said they would vote for Biden if sh*tler is the nominee.

#58 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 07:14 AM | Reply

"According to Biden - we have a 'robust' economy now - yet, we are expanding the deficit. This is unprecedented."

Huh? Were you asleep when Dubya and Cheney reset America's fiscal sights away from surpluses and into deficits?

Der Dotard expanded the deficit EVERY single year he was in office despite lying during the campaign that he would pay off the debt.

He added $3.9 TRILLION in deficits thanks to his massive tax scam that paid off the billionaires.

#59 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 07:17 AM | Reply

"And 50% of those who voted for Haley said they would vote for Biden if sh*tler is the nominee.
#58 | POSTED BY NIXON"

That is because only 30% of the people that voted for Nimrod as registered GOP. These were ------- Dems trying to create a narrative - instead, they just ended up wasting their night and removing all doubt that the Dems are the new pro-War NEOCON party. Own it -------.

#60 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 07:18 AM | Reply

Biden now running $2T deficits as far as the eye can see.

That is a lie.

#61 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 07:23 AM | Reply

That is because only 30% of the people that voted for Nimrod as registered GOP.

Those are the independents that are needed to win the general. So your brag is that he can't win over the independents. You're dumber by the minute.

#62 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 07:26 AM | Reply

tRumphole's "victory" speech last night was hate-filled, vengeful, and nasty. What a POS. A perfect representation of Republicans these days.

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2024-01-24 08:11 AM | Reply

" The president promised a return to shared prosperity, but the benefits of his economic policies only bubbled up to the richest"

Not surprising, when you read the Trump Tax Code. At fruition, workers taxes went UP.

Meanwhile, foreign investors got more money from the TTC than American workers. And corporate taxes got slashed 40%, permanently.

Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:44 AM | Reply |

So much winning.

nymag.com

"The putative goal of cutting taxes for business owners was to incentivize them to plow more money into domestic investment. That did not happen. However, the Trump tax cuts also didn't have any obvious or immediate costs. At the time, interest rates were very low and the labor market had not yet fully recovered from the 2008 recession. A deficit-financed tax cut, combined with a general spending spree, injected more demand into the economy and helped produce full employment and rising incomes until the pandemic struck.

The economic situation Trump would inherit in 2025 would be very different. Higher deficits and interest rates mean that borrowing money to fund a regressive tax cut would have an immediate economic cost. That's why his advisers are planning to pair the next Trump tax cut for the rich with a 10 percent tariff, the revenue from which would, presumably, offset the cost."

Who's going to pay the tariffs? The middle class. An immediate 10% inflationary hike in prices.

#64 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 09:14 AM | Reply

- ALL of the GDP growth we have seen in the 2 2 years has been the result of the growing government deficit -

Thanks Trump Trillions of Deficit Spending Tax Cuts for the Wealthy!

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 09:37 AM | Reply

"Thanks Trump Trillions of Deficit Spending Tax Cuts for the Wealthy!
#65 | POSTED BY CORKY"

In 2017, tax collections were $3,316.2b and spending was $3,981.6b.
In 2019, tax collections were $3,463.4b and spending was $4,447.0b.

Keep in mind inflation was ~1.5%. Only a completely dishonest ------- ------ would look at those numbers and say: "drrr...we need to collect more taxes!"

Also, in 2020 with covid relief being sent out as the Dems shuttered the economy, spending went up to $6,550.4b....so, you will probably be surprised to know spending in 2023 was $6,013b...basically, a 500b reduction in spending despite this supposedly being a robust economy....

We have a spending problem - we have had a spending problem for the last 3 decades.

#66 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 09:56 AM | Reply

Deficit spending on tax cuts for the wealthy, with the excuse that the benefits will Tinkle Down on everyone, is not only self-abusive, but it isn't even true.

Trickle Down economics never worked. (search that sentence and see what you find... former advocates admitting that it never werked.)

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 10:03 AM | Reply

"tax cuts for the wealthy
#67 | POSTED BY CORKY"

This is another of the liberal lies you -------- love to tell each other. Half of this country does not pay taxes so 50% of the country will not get a tax break if rates are lowered. -------------.

The top 10% of taxpayers pay over 60% of all taxes - so, OF COURSE they will get an outsized portion of any tax cut - because we are the ones actually paying for all your free ----.

But, I will agree with you on one thing - I am happy to freeze tax rates where they are now. We need to focus on MASSIVE spending cuts to balance the budget. There is no reason why the spending should have increased 33% since 2019. That is insane. We need to plot in a 25% cut immediately and then cut ~5% a year thereafter for the next 5 years...then freeze at that level until the national debt is repaid.

#68 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:09 AM | Reply

" ... in 2020 with covid relief being sent out as the Dems shuttered the economy"

Trump was President.

And look at you, passing the buck ... to Democrats. Roy Cohn would be soooo proud.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:14 AM | Reply

"#69 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Trump can't order the country to shut down ------- - that is done at the local level. Just like Trump could not order it to re-open. But, way to ignore the point of the post in your typical ------- manner.

#70 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:16 AM | Reply

" Half of this country does not pay taxes"

Ah, the regular lie by the regular liar.

Most workers (~70%) pay more in Payroll taxes over their lifetimes than income taxes. You're cherry-picking which taxes to call taxes. Just like you changed the equation for Trump when comparing.

Intellectually dishonest.

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Trump can't order the country to shut down ------- - that is done at the local level."

Most states are red. Did Dems shut those states, too, or are you (again) using different measurements for one versus the other?

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:22 AM | Reply

"Most workers (~70%) pay more in Payroll taxes
#71 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

So, are you advocating for a tax cut for payroll taxes and a corresponding cut in benefits? If not, you can blow it out of your ass as we are talking about income taxes here -------. For income taxes, 50% of the US population does not pay ANYTHING.

#73 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#70 Yes, the liberals fleeing to Florida to vacation because we were open during COVID. AOC, Swalwell, Billy Joel, etc. It was shocking! S/

#74 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-01-24 10:24 AM | Reply

"Most states are red. Did Dems shut those states, too, or are you (again) using different measurements for one versus the other?
#72 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Read my post very carefully -------: "Trump can't order the country to shut down ------- - that is done at the local level"

LOCAL LEVEL - read it again ------- - LOCAL LEVEL.

Red State / Blue State is meaningless when you have deep blue urban --------- in pretty much every state. In states with less of these deep blue -------- cities, they reopened faster - like Florida, Texas, the Dakotas, etc.

#75 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:26 AM | Reply

" way to ignore the point "

When you use two different measuring sticks, expect to be called out for the dishonesty.

Why, for example, did you include servicing Trump's debt on Biden's ledger???

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:26 AM | Reply

"Why, for example, did you include servicing Trump's debt on Biden's ledger???
#76 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

In the metric in which I directly compared them - I didn't. I didn't burden Trump with the horrendous debt left to him by Chocolate Carter either.

In stating Biden is running $2T deficits in a time of a 'robust' economy, it is a statement of fact: $1.9T as we speak. www.usdebtclock.org

It is truly unprecedented in that Biden has made zero attempt to cut spending from COVID emergency support levels.

#77 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:32 AM | Reply

" For income taxes, 50% of the US population does not pay ANYTHING."

That's because old social spending is now on the 1040.

Republicans have written the last four major tax codes. Each one added social benefits, usually for child-rearing, and each one altered the bottom line. Examples include the EITC, AOC, CTC, and ACTC, among others.

So, after passing legislation to put welfare payments on the 1040 on a Tuesday, Republicans complained on Wednesday less people were "paying" taxes.

Personally, I believe it's intellectually dishonest to throw people off the tax rolls, and then complain less people are "paying" taxes. It's also important to note in the old days, folks getting the equivalent of today's EITC were scored as "paying" taxes. Today that exact scenario would be scored "not paying". So the measuring stick changed.

Meanwhile, up front tax cuts represent potentially 6%-8% annualized compound growth, while SS represents a 2% bond with an average maturity of 25 years. Hardly a fair trade.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:42 AM | Reply

Watching Danforth dismantle Claudio on tax law is a guilty pleasure.

Next claudio is going to outbox Mike Tyson in his prime. LOL what a dunning kruger dope.

#79 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" In the metric in which I directly compared them - I didn't."

Yes you did.

You also charged Biden for Trump's tax giveaways. Roughly $300 billion per year. (2.4T/8)

Why shouldn't that be charged to Trump?

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:47 AM | Reply

"while SS represents a 2% bond with an average maturity of 25 years. Hardly a fair trade.
#78 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

2% for the people that received all their money prior to the 2033 insolvency date you mean, right? Yes, SS return is awful because you ------- libs refused to allow the money to be invested in the market and instead settled for crap T-bill rates and now you are crying about it. The US would have the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world currently had the SS surplus been invested in the market. You -------s own the f'up.

#81 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The middle and lower class pays a higher percent of their income in taxes than does the wealthy class.

"Here's what we know:

U.S. billionaires are 46 percent, or $1.6 trillion, richer than they were in 2020.

According to a 2021 White House study, the wealthiest 400 billionaire families in the U.S. paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. For comparison, the average American taxpayer in the same year paid 13 percent.

According to leaked tax returns highlighted in a ProPublica investigation, the 25 richest Americans paid $13.6 billion in taxes from 2014-2018"a "true" tax rate of just 3.4 percent on $401 billion of income.

That's not paying your fair share.

Instead of rewarding wealth over work, our tax system should ensure that billionaires play by the same set of rules as the rest of us. It's good for the planet, and it's essential to the preservation of our democracy."

more

www.oxfamamerica.org

As long as top 1 percent are allowed to give Dark Money to politicians to write favorable tax laws for them, (Thanks Republicans and Citizens United, especially you, Leo Leonard!) there will never be equity and fairness in our tax system.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You also charged Biden for Trump's tax giveaways. Roughly $300 billion per year. (2.4T/8)
Why shouldn't that be charged to Trump?
#80 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

No more so than the Bush tax cuts were made permanent under Chocolate Carter and Trump inherited those.

#83 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:49 AM | Reply

because you ------- libs refused to allow the money to be invested in the market

I want you to recall that the market fell apart in 2007 RIGHT AFTER George W Bush failed to privatize social security.

The housing market bubble burst and that would have been the end of SS for most people.

#84 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 10:51 AM | Reply

- Chocolate Carter

The racisms is strong in this one.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 10:52 AM | Reply

" I didn't burden Trump with the horrendous debt left to him by Chocolate Carter either."

What a riot.

Trump's deficits were waaay worse than Obama's. And his code was a $2.4 Trillion giveaway OF ALL NEWLY BORROWED MONEY.

So would you characterize Trump's debt as horrendously horrendous?

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:53 AM | Reply

"lower class pays a higher percent of their income in taxes than does the wealthy class
....
the 25 richest Americans paid $13.6 billion in taxes from 2014-2018"a "true" tax rate of just 3.4 percent on $401 billion of income.
That's not paying your fair share.
#82 | POSTED BY CORKY"

The lower class (the bottom 50% of the US populations) pays ZERO federal taxes. Hence, their tax rate is ZERO.

Do the wealthy pay a tax rate higher than ZERO? Well, even your own post says yes - so your own posts shows that you are FULL OF ----.

Now, if you really want to tax billionaires - I am 100% behind it. But, you won't because those are the Dem mega donors. Douchebags like Reid Hoffman (Dem mega donor and pedophile) won't let you actually tax billionaires. Trump gave the game away in the 2016 debates ------- - go re-watch them.

#87 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 10:54 AM | Reply

"Trickle Down economics never worked. (search that sentence and see what you find... former advocates admitting that it never werked.)"

Never?

www.npr.org

But liberals say conservatives' interpretation is misleading because conditions were so different in the early 1960s, when the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent. The Kennedy-backed tax cuts took down that rate to 70 percent. Today, the highest rate is 39.6 percent. Cutting the top tax bracket now would not have the same impact because it already has been lowered several times, the argument goes.

"You can only go to the well so many times before you lose effectiveness," says David Shreve, an economic historian who has written about the Kennedy-era tax cuts.

Shreve says there's another factor conservatives overlook: Kennedy's biggest tax cuts were aimed at average wage earners in hopes they would spend more. Boosting the demand side of the economy "gave us the widest prosperity and longest unbroken run of growth in history" up to then.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 10:56 AM | Reply

" The lower class (the bottom 50% of the US populations) pays ZERO federal taxes."

Total lie.

According to Clod, only income taxes are federal taxes. Nothing could be further from the truth.

For proof, look at every W-2 in America.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:58 AM | Reply

Here's how it all really werks....

www.brookings.edu

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 10:58 AM | Reply

Danforth- it's not a lie if he isn't smart enough to know better.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 10:59 AM | Reply

" Kennedy's biggest tax cuts were aimed at average wage earners"

That's almost exactly the opposite of trickle-down.

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 10:59 AM | Reply

"I want you to recall that the market fell apart in 2007 RIGHT AFTER George W Bush failed to privatize social security.
#84 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

The Dow Jones has tripled since 2007 ------- - would have been nice for the SS trust fund to have had a $5T gain in it rather than 2% annual return it actually achieved. It would be 4x bigger than the largest sovereign wealth fund today had this privatization occurred. Instead, it just encouraged the government to blow up the budget with cheap debt and now the whole system is insolvent in a decade. Great decision there liberal -------s.

#93 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" it's not a lie if he isn't smart enough to know better."
~Alexandrite

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#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:01 AM | Reply

The Dow Jones has tripled since 2007 -------

You just don't get it. People would have starved THEN and not made it to NOW.

At least that arrogant SOB et al actually has an IQ and education to be proud of. You're just a sneering arrogant fool, claudio.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-George W Bush failed to privatize social security.

did you mean to say "partially" privatize social security?

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:03 AM | Reply

Claudio thinks grandma would be rich after eating from and sleeping in the dumpster for 17 years.

#97 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:03 AM | Reply

The lower class (the bottom 50% of the US populations) pays ZERO federal taxes. Hence, their tax rate is ZERO.
Do the wealthy pay a tax rate higher than ZERO? Well, even your own post says yes - so your own posts shows that you are FULL OF ----.
Now, if you really want to tax billionaires - I am 100% behind it. But, you won't because those are the Dem mega donors. Douchebags like Reid Hoffman (Dem mega donor and pedophile) won't let you actually tax billionaires. Trump gave the game away in the 2016 debates ------- - go re-watch them.

#87 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO

Well that's a lie.

First, you are ONLY talking about federal income taxes. They still paid FICA taxes, property taxes, sales tax, etc.

Second, only a portion of the bottom 50% paid no federal income taxes.
www.statista.com

Third, the reason they don't pay federal income taxes is because THEIR EMPLOYMENT INCOME IS SO LOW THAT THEY CAN BARELY SURVIVE.

Fourth, a huge portion of the people you are referring to are RETIRED.

#98 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-01-24 11:04 AM | Reply

"Trump's deficits were waaay worse than Obama's.
#86 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

If just rate based on the deficits caused by his policies, he was far better than Obama. Which is why the fair metric is 'deficit - interest payments' / GDP...interest payments are due to the prior deficits (prior presidents) which is why this is the best metric to judge effectiveness of policies. Under this - Trump had the best performance since Clinton. Chocolate Carter was just as incompetent as Biden.

#99 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:04 AM | Reply

"Five myths about the 47 percent

1. Forty-seven percent of Americans don't pay taxes.

The most pernicious misconception about people who don't pay federal income taxes is that they don't pay any taxes. That oft-heard claim ignores all the other taxes Americans encounter in their daily lives.
Almost two-thirds of the 47 percent work, for example, and their payroll taxes help finance Social Security and Medicare. Accounting for this, the share of households paying no net federal taxes falls to 28 percent.

And those aren't the only other taxes they bear.

According to economic research, the corporate income tax discourages domestic investment; that depresses wages, so workers are effectively paying some of the corporate tax. More directly, many households pay federal taxes on gasoline, beer and cigarettes.

And then there are state and local sales, property and income taxes " all of which are often less progressive than the federal income tax. Putting all these together, a family of three with an income of $30,000 would owe no federal income tax (in fact, they would get money back). But they could easily pay more than $4,500, or 15 percent of their income, in taxes."

more

www.urban.org

Claudio and his ilk have been perpetuating the same old lies for decades now, no matter how often they are reminded here that they are lies and half truths.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 11:04 AM | Reply

" The Dow Jones has tripled since 2007"

Which would've done nothing for the new retiree in 2007, who'd just seen their nest egg drop like a rock.

Then they would've lost even more in 2008, during the Bush disaster.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey eberly, go make another thread about you. We're busy here.

#102 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

92

so the lowering of the highest rate from 91 to 70 was bad? nothing good was gained from that?

Understand, I completely agree that there is a point of diminishing return and while I can't do the math to prove anything.....I would think the point of diminishing return is somewhere below a 91% marginal rate.

But I'll look at any evidence to the contrary.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:06 AM | Reply

If just rate based on the deficits caused by his policies, he was far better than Obama. Which is why the fair metric is 'deficit - interest payments' / GDP...interest payments are due to the prior deficits (prior presidents) which is why this is the best metric to judge effectiveness of policies. Under this - Trump had the best performance since Clinton. Chocolate Carter was just as incompetent as Biden.

#99 | POSTED BY CLAUDIO

MOVE those goalposts.

Obama cut the deficit.

Trump grew it.

Try again.

#104 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-01-24 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"People would have starved THEN and not made it to NOW.
#95 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

What the F are you talking about? Had the government (not individuals) put the money in the market, we would be far better off now as I indicated. EVERYONE gets this - even the -------- in California understand this. That is way CalPERS and CalSTRS invest their pension funds in the market and not just park it all in t-bills like you -------- force the SS fund to do.

#105 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:07 AM | Reply

" The lower class (the bottom 50% of the US populations) pays ZERO federal taxes."

Pathetic lie.

#106 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-01-24 11:08 AM | Reply

102

just inserting the proper word so your post wasn't a lie.

you're welcome.

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:08 AM | Reply

Had the government (not individuals) put the money in the market, we would be far better off now as I indicated

AFTER 2008, but you'd have to know that. Is that risk worth it? An entire life savings?

#108 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:09 AM | Reply

"Which would've done nothing for the new retiree in 2007, who'd just seen their nest egg drop like a rock.
#101 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

It is SS - YOU HAVE NO NEST EGG. There is a total fund managed (mismanaged) by the government by investment in low yield government bonds. Also, your 'nest egg' will be insolvent in a decade.

#109 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:09 AM | Reply

" If just rate based on the deficits caused by his policies, he was far better"

IOW, you have to change the measuring stick, again.

And wasn't one of Trump's "policies" to downplay Covid??? That certainly played into the need for stimulus payments.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:09 AM | Reply

since eberly wont go away i'm going to shove his nose in his pile now.

Here is an actual post from Wile E berly super genius:

I get it that I speak way over your head but I'm not going out of my way to insult you so why do you beg me to do so?
Why do you beg me to slap you around, Alex?
You either know I'm right or you can't process it.
Either way, it kills you that I understand way more about the world than you do.

You and lil joe can go jack each other off and whine "Why does Eberly think he's so much smarter than us?? He won't just agree with everything we want him to and he just rubs our faces in our own excrement when we challenge him....but for some reason we can't stop sniffing his ass. Oh well....let's just keep jacking each other off"
POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2024-01-23 11:12 PM | REPLY

PS- You're a joke.

#111 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-First, you are ONLY talking about federal income taxes. They still paid FICA taxes, property taxes, sales tax, etc.

Everyone, including Claudio, knows that.

This argument is so stupid because it's always this circular argument that goes nowhere.

Claudio, I would ask that if you can't argue about what ALL taxes the poorest 50% pay, including FICA, sales, etc....then you're just being a douchebag.

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"AFTER 2008, but you'd have to know that. Is that risk worth it? An entire life savings?
#108 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Literally EVERY ------- PENSION FUND AND SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND IN THE WORLD does exactly that. Only you ------- libs force the SS fund into this low yield crap - which will result in the fund being insolvent in a decade.

#113 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:11 AM | Reply

"" If just rate based on the deficits caused by his policies, he was far better"
IOW, you have to change the measuring stick, again.
#110 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

It is the exact metric I mentioned in my first post that you clearly misunderstood when you first read it and still don't understand it now. This is a 'you' problem -------.

#114 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:12 AM | Reply

" It is SS - YOU HAVE NO NEST EGG."

Not if you had your way.

Didn't you read Dubya's plan? There's a reason the more people learned about it, the less they supported it. One aspect was A RETURN of monies gained over a certain amount.

That's individual accounts.

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:13 AM | Reply

Alex, the only reason why you're on this thread is because Danforth is here. If he left, you'd change the subject, start with the insults and then run off crying because you cannot debate these subjects. they are WAY WAY WAY over your head.

You don't have the slightest clue about this issue and couldn't debate it to save your life....even against Claudio, if not for Danforth to hold you up.

So STFU and quit crying you're such a worthless miserable dumbfuq who couldn't hold a glass of water without falling down.

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"which will result in the fund being insolvent in a decade."

No, it's not going to be insolvent.

Stop with this......

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:15 AM | Reply

eberly. You just plain make ---- up and cry like a bitch when cornered.

What danforth sees in you is beyond me, I will admit that. I think you're a pampered arrogant country club turd.

#118 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:16 AM | Reply

"Claudio, I would ask that if you can't argue about what ALL taxes
#112 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

In the context of tax cuts THE ONLY TAXES THAT MATTER ARE INCOME TAXES. Unless you want to argue that you want a tax cut in payroll taxes and a cut in SS benefits, there is no point in trying to treat them as equivalents. As such, it is entirely dishonest to whine about 'the benefits of tax cuts go to the rich' when the ONLY TAXES being debated are INCOME TAXES and then you toss out the dishonest payroll tax argument.

If Liberals were honest, they would stop calling payroll taxes 'taxes' - THEY ARE NOT. They are a forced saving plan to be spent on specific programs. They are wholly different from INCOME TAXES.

#119 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:17 AM | Reply

Claudio, I would ask that if you can't argue about what ALL taxes the poorest 50% pay, including FICA, sales, etc....then you're just being a douchebag.

#112 | POSTED BY EBERLY

You go, girl!

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 11:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"No, it's not going to be insolvent.
Stop with this......
#117 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Is it going to pay out 100 cents on the dollar as promised? No? - then it is insolvent -------. Buy a ------- clue.

#121 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:19 AM | Reply

Alex, the only reason why you're on this thread is because Danforth is here.

So I'm here to read a quality poster and it aint you. Agreed.

Now tantrum like the 10 year girl you are.

#122 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:19 AM | Reply

- They are wholly different from INCOME TAXES.

Nooooo.... they are taxes that people pay out of their income.

Is this thing even on?

#123 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 11:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

" It is the exact metric I mentioned in my first post"

Yeah, a pretzel metric designed for the outcome.

What's next, measuring by number of vowels in the last name? You can claim Trump is MUCH more frugal than Obama!

#124 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:20 AM | Reply

-You just plain make ---- up

What lies have I posted on this thread? What lies have I posted anywhere?

Spare me the crying about the personal insults....it's a fair game of that.

But seriously.....what untruths am I throwing on this thread?

Is it not fair game to discuss the merits or dangers of lowering the highest marginal rate from 91% to 70% on a thread that's already gone down that road and another poster declared all "trickle down" tax cuts didn't work?

Why are you getting in the way of that with your drama? For what purpose?

Does it bother you someone like me can post on topic, supply my questions with links, and play devils' advocate in the process?

How is that "making ---- up"?

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:21 AM | Reply

-Is it going to pay out 100 cents on the dollar as promised?

What promise?

Is anybody getting less than what they were "promised" on a benefit statement they would have ran prior to receiving SS?

I'm 55 years old. I just ran my projected SS benefit statement.

You're telling me that "promise" is in jeopardy?

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:23 AM | Reply

How is that "making ---- up"?

You do it all the time. You tell people what exact candidates they've voted for/against. You tell people they don't have money or understanding on a topic.

You're clueless and arrogant and you take over threads with your trolling.

#127 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:23 AM | Reply

"they are taxes that people pay out of their income.
#123 | POSTED BY CORKY"

Tell me the difference between payroll taxes and a 401k withholding with an employer match in your check.

Other than one being far superior financially, they are both just savings plans to pay out at retirement. THE ONLY difference is SS is FORCED while a 401k is optional. We don't call 401k withholdings a tax and we should not call SS withholdings a tax either.

#128 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:25 AM | Reply

" Unless you want to argue that you want a tax cut in payroll taxes and a cut in SS benefits, there is no point in trying to treat them as equivalents."

Why aren't tax cuts (and the 6-8% usefulness of the upfront money annually) considered benefits?

I mean, we're literally borrowing an EXTRA $2.4 Trillion for Trump's income tax cuts. How is that not a benefit for the recipients?

#129 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You're telling me that "promise" is in jeopardy?
#126 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Buy a ------- clue -------. In a decade you are not getting 100 cents on the dollar. Even the government admits that.

#130 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-01-24 11:27 AM | Reply

127

you're crying because I stand up for myself when attacked personally?

---- off....I'll never apologize for that.

I was posting on topic on this thread and here you are trying to derail it and blaming ME for it.

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:28 AM | Reply

-In a decade you are not getting 100 cents on the dollar.

what dollar? WTF are you talking about?

I'm not trying to argue the virtue of SS vs my own retirement plan. I know which route I would take if given the chance but this government isn't ever going to do that.

Even a "partially" privatized SS plan failed horribly.

You're cute with the "-------" over and over.

You should go exchange fart smells with Alex.....that's the level of discourse he's interested in.

#132 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:31 AM | Reply

-THE ONLY difference is SS is FORCED while a 401k is optional.

so?

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:31 AM | Reply

Tell claudio who he voted for Madame Eberly. Use your tarot deck.

#134 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-01-24 11:32 AM | Reply

" Tell me the difference between payroll taxes and a 401k withholding with an employer match in your check."

The differences are almost endless. I'll just lay out the biggest one:

If Eb were single, his 401k would be an inheritable asset. That same (represented) amount of SS would be worthless to the heirs.

More: the 401k can be borrowed against; SS can't.

Another: In retirement, a 401k can (usually) be rolled over to a self-directed IRA, allowing access to any or all of the assets. Not an option with SS.

Should I go on?

#135 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Tell claudio who he voted for Madame Eberly

Are you pissed that it's obvious to me?

WTF is wrong with you......the poster on this site who tells others who they vote for is speaksoftly. He tells me every day who I vote for and he doesn't know ----.

I don't ever tell him who he votes for.....or anybody else for that matter. I don't care who Claudio votes for.

I don't care who you vote for.

#136 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:38 AM | Reply

-Should I go on?

contributions to retirement plans are deductible (well, they are deferred)

If I choose to increase my contribution to retirement plan......the lower my AGI.

Can I deduct my SS contribution?

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:39 AM | Reply

lol, Clodio the Clueless.

Love to watch Dan werk.

And Bev getting free tax advise... again, is priceless.

#138 | Posted by Corky at 2024-01-24 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-If Eb were single, his 401k would be an inheritable asset.

and if I'm not? My wife is my beneficiary but I wasn't married...then do I change the beneficiary to my kids?

#139 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 11:55 AM | Reply

" contributions to retirement plans are deductible (well, they are deferred)"

Which reminds me:

Secure 2.0 changed the landscape for retirement plans. One HUGE aspect is anyone making over $145K must have all matching based on amounts over that as ROTH contributions, taxable today. In addition, ALL catch-up amounts must be Roth.

And here's the kicker: your plan, as it's written today, doesn't cover it. You, and anyone else in your position, needs to talk to your payroll folks now, to make sure they have the amendment in place so your catch-up amounts, and matching amounts, can be made. If the plan isn't amended, the matching and catch-up payments cannot happen.

#140 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 11:58 AM | Reply

Regarding the 401(k), the spouse automatically inherits at death. From that point forward it's pretended that it was hers all along. For a spouse NOT to automatically get it, they'd have to sign it away first.

Once divorced, yeah, the ex better not be the sole listed beneficiary.

#141 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:02 PM | Reply

I'm in NOLA for a vacation week before tax season starts. This has been fun, but ... you guys don't compare to the fried chicken at Dooky Chase.

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:03 PM | Reply

-One HUGE aspect is anyone making over $145K must have all matching based on amounts over that as ROTH contributions, taxable today.

not familiar with this.....let's say I'm making more than that and I'm putting 10% into my 401K (not using the roth option now). My company matches 6% and then about this time of year, kicks in another 10% for profit sharing...again...none of this is roth.

Can that still happen as it has in the past?

#143 | Posted by eberly at 2024-01-24 12:08 PM | Reply

"Can that still happen as it has in the past?"

Short answer: no.

#144 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-24 12:33 PM | Reply

I wonder what nickname Trump is going to bestow on Haley?
POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

It turns out Trump has come up with a nickname for Haley but I missed it: Birdbrain.

#145 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-24 05:15 PM | Reply

Has Trump explained why he chose her to be his UN ambassador?

Seems like if she's all the things he's saying she is, it was a mistake to select her.

Which should cause a lot of people to question his judgment.

It won't. Deplorable MAGAts have no standards, morals or ethics.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-01-24 05:18 PM | Reply

The birdbrain nickname seemed to have started back in October, but I missed it:


The following day, Trump took to the social media platform Truth Social and launched into a tirade against his opponents, calling Haley a "birdbrain" and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie "sloppy" and "a Trump deranged lunatic."

Trump continued to bash Haley in a follow-up post and said: "MAGA, or I, will never go for Birdbrain Nikki Haley. No loyalty, plenty of lies!" Haley responded with a screenshot of the insult and posted it on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, and said: "Love this. It means we are in 2nd and moving up fast. Bring it."

On Sunday morning, after the town hall event, Haley took to X again, posting a picture of a "message" she received from the Trump campaign. Outside her hotel room, Haley said she found a birdcage and a small bag of bird food.


www.usatoday.com

#147 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-24 05:22 PM | Reply

I wish we could do polls on this site. I wanted to do one on: When Will Haley Drop Out of the Race and Kiss Trump's Ring?

Answers:

This weekend.

Before the SC primary.

When he attacks her husband.

After the SC primary.

When he promises her the VP slot.

Before Super Tuesday.

After Super Tuesday.

When he promises her the Secretary of State position.

Never, she is waiting for a Black Swan event.

#148 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-01-24 05:30 PM | Reply

Haley has approximately one or two states (most) to run against tRUMP before he summons his brownshirts...you watch.

#149 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-01-24 08:33 PM | Reply

" you guys don't compare to the fried chicken at Dooky Chase."

Update: the fried chicken was yummy, but the gumbo was the best I've ever had.

Tomorrow: Galatoires. The one mentioned in A Streetcar Named Desire. I've had dreams about their foie gras since my last visit three years ago.

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-01-25 03:07 AM | Reply

.. I wonder what nickname Trump is going to bestow on Haley?

He is currently calling her "Birdbrain," and threatening her donors. He'll do this for a while, but if it generates too much heat, his fall back is to start calling her by her full name (or pronouncing it Nimrod)...that's what his racist base wants anyway. Nimarata Nikki Haley, Barack Hussein Obama...guy's a one trick pony.

#151 | Posted by chuffy at 2024-01-25 11:42 AM | Reply

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