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Tuesday, February 06, 2024

The lead GOP negotiator of the Senate border deal emerged from a meeting on Monday night open to voting "no" on the first vote for his own bill.

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... Why it matters: Senate Republicans are heading toward delaying a sweeping national security package that has already been held up months amid intense negotiations over policies to crack down on the border. ...

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-06 01:02 AM | Reply

So...

It looks like the GOP really is looking like...

Republicans like border security as an issue more than they like border security as a solution.

The Republicans don't want to solve the problem, they want to exploit it.

As evidenced by the possibly illegal trafficking of immigrants to northern cities.

Exploitation of immigrants.

Yeah, that seems to be the GOP.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-06 01:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

" The Republicans don't want to solve the problem, they want to exploit it"

Biden doesn't need Congress in order to enforce the border. Existing law allows for him, compels even, to do that.

" As evidenced by the possibly illegal trafficking of immigrants to northern cities"

Are you aware that the Biden administration has been doing the same thing before the GOP governors started doing it? Is that possibly illegal trafficking to or is it (D)ifferent?

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-06 01:28 AM | Reply

@#3 ... Biden doesn't need Congress in order to enforce the border. Existing law allows for him, compels even, to do that. ...

Yeah, I've heard Republicans saying that, all without citations.

All that aside...

Pres Biden seems to be saying, ~if the American people want me to enforce the border, then let thmem express that view via Congress.~

Unfortunately for the Republicans in Congress, they do not want the border to be enforced, as I have noted hee on this most august site many times.

Pres Biden is saying that Congress represents the United States, so if Congress says to enforce the border, he will abide that particular decision.

So, the question your current alias needs to ask is why don't the Republicans in Congress want border security?

If I may, I will repeat...

Republicans like border security as an issue more than they like border security as a solution.

Your current alias' comment only enforces that opinion.



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#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-06 02:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#3 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

It's an argument you've lost.

You and your little MAGA friends own the border now. And all that took was your typical cynicism, hypocrisy, and backstabbing.

Biden's going to be rubbing that and your whorishness toward Trump from now until November.

Because, yes----MAGA is a collection of whores.

Excepting that most working girls are more patriotic.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 07:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

When's the last time that you and your people did anything to help anything?

It's not what you're about.

You're nasty people denying that you fully intend to do nasty things.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 07:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

When's the last time that you and your people did anything to help anything?

It's not what you're about.

You're nasty people denying that you fully intend to do nasty things.

#6 | Posted by Zed

Greg Abbott protecting the citizens of Texas in a move I'm sure you're against.

That's helping American citizens whether you like it or not.

too bad you can't remove this post where you make a charge that I just proved to be false.

#7 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-02-06 09:04 AM | Reply

2021 no crisis
2022 no crisis
2023 no crisis
2024 election year...we have a crisis and the GOP only wants to keep the issue alive to run on.

--nothing illuminates the dishonest group of zealots and radical freaks that is today's democrat party like

this factual timeline showcasing the 2 faced hypocritical liars.

It is absolutely the only thing voters need to know about democrats and their guaranteed democrat voter recruitment drive

they laughingly refer to as immigration "reform"

#8 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-02-06 09:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#7 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

You people are so shallow; so fake. You pretend about everything. The border is merely the latest thing you pretend about.

You aren't serious people; your aren't real people. God knows none of you are Americans.

Jump up and down and shout. It's all that you're good for.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

You prove every single day what an idiot you are.

2 FaCeD HyOpCrItCAlZ LiErs!!

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-06 09:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Greg Abbott protecting the citizens of Texas

#7 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

Greg Abbott helped kill as many as 1,000 Texans by freezing.

Greg Abbott is a true crisis actor, and will continue acting outraged over the border for exactly as long as he personally can get something from the act.

Like each and every MAGA prince, starting with Donald Trump.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#7 | POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN

The only good thing about your (MAGA) newly acquired and fully-owned border crisis is that you spilled the blood of your own people to get it.

Walked up behind them quietly and ---- their throats.

History teaches us that fascists will do that to fascists an awful lot.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

open to voting "no" on the first vote for his own bill.

The cuck is strong right there.

Magat Mike thinks that the border is a disaster, but he is ok with waiting until 2025 to fix it. The GOP now OWNS the border crisis...it is all theirs.

The orange tub of goo thinks he's going to make a campaign issue to beat Biden with by killing a bill that gave the GOP just about everything they wanted on the border. He now owns the border mess.

Bend over GOP and take it with a smile.

You've sold your autonomy to him. Just like you did to women and their reproductive health.

#13 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-06 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The GOP can talk it up as an election issue on the border, Trump can beat his drum all he wants. It still comes down to the same thing. They were handed the very bill they demanded and because Trump wants it to be an election theme to drum on, they are refusing what they demanded. It tells me they aren't really serious about the border. Every time one of them hollers about the border now, I'll remember this action instead of what they'd like for me to be thinking they stand for.

Personally, I want the border shut down to migrants coming through any place other than the points of entry. It's strained the budget of Texas far too long. Those sanctuary cities are only getting a small taste of what's happening down here and what it costs to house, feed, clothe, medical, in costs. They are screaming to high heaven about those costs. Heaven help them if they actually got the real amount coming through. As long as it was not in their backyard, they didn't have a concern.

The GOP has shown it's colors with the abortion issue and now with the immigration issue. As far as I am concerned, it's time for this party to go the way of the Whigs.

#14 | Posted by BBQ at 2024-02-06 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The Republican Party doesn't want border security.

They just want idiots like BellRinger and SHRIMPdick frothing at the mouth with stupidity.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-06 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Wow! To watch my state's senior senator operate, I think he must have read "The Art of The Deal", to negotiate an agreement and then decide to vote against what he negotiated.

This cynic sees the chaos and has decided the whole rigamarole is about NOT funding the war in Ukraine. If border security is #1 in line and Israel and Ukraine are #2 and #2-A in that line, if once cannot get past 'go' with #1, there is no way to get to #2 and #2-A.

And that, kids, is how a criminal insurrectionist got his minions to do the dirty work of a Russian despot, in the despot's attempt to take over a sovereign nation and destabilize security for all of Europe...

#16 | Posted by catdog at 2024-02-06 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We American citizens should go to the border and take care of it ourselves. Close it now. Our fool POTUS and border czar can't or wont. The Dem moneyed elites and big media, Chamber of Commerce, WSJ and others are happy with an invasion while destroying our country, your kids education, bringing in drugs and lives wont. By 2024 there will no longer be a radical left wing Democrat party. ABC closed The VIEW because no one watches it.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2024-02-06 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

We American citizens should go to the border and take care of it ourselves.

#17 | POSTED BY ROBSON Lead the way, compadre.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-06 02:53 PM | Reply

#17 What state do you live in, -------?

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-06 03:00 PM | Reply

We American citizens should go to the border and take care of it ourselves.

#17 | POSTED BY ROBSON

That event was over the weekend, it was small and is over now.

#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-02-06 03:30 PM | Reply

Burgess Everett
@burgessev

Fetterman NSFW: "It's time for the GOP to get their balls out of Trump's desk"

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-06 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love watching the left spin harder than Dreidels on this issue. The level of outright dishonest lying is truly a sight to behold. You get your orders from your masters and like sound up tin soldiers mindlessly carry out your mission.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-06 04:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You get your orders from your masters"

The Executive Branch gets orders from the Legislative Branch.

The Legislative Branch has gone radio silent and refuses to govern.

Spin on that.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-06 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The level of outright dishonest lying is truly a sight to behold.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

This is the funniest thing I've ever read you post.

Thanks for the laugh.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-06 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I love watching the left spin harder than Dreidels on this issue. The level of outright dishonest lying is truly a sight to behold. You get your orders from your masters and like sound up tin soldiers mindlessly carry out your mission.

#22 | Posted by BellRinger

Trump 101 - accuse your opponent of your own crimes.

The left is offering a border deal. The right is refusing it because they WANT the problem to continue.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-06 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

McConnell appointed the lacky Lankford to get it done.

McConnell wanted this bill, he approved it in the backroom dealing.

Now McConnell leaves Lankford hanging out in the wind.

Mitch is a PoS.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-06 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22 If that isn't bait you need mental help.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-06 04:52 PM | Reply

FYI: Democrats aren't the ones lying about this bill:

John McCormack
@McCormackJohn

Reporter asks Lankford how it feels to be run over by a bus. Lankford replies: "And backed up."

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-06 04:52 PM | Reply

The level of outright dishonest lying is truly a sight to behold.
#22 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Jeffj is irony personified.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 04:52 PM | Reply

The left is offering a border deal.
#25 Speaks

Well to be fair so did the right, it's sitting on Schumer's in box.

#30 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-06 04:53 PM | Reply

This is the funniest thing I've ever read you post.

Credit where due, he is a Subject Matter Expert with regard to posting disingenuous, misleading bullshat.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-06 04:53 PM | Reply

Loyalty in the Republican party only goes one way and that's up toward Trump:

Mitch McConnell throws James Lankford under the bus

Conservative senators such as Josh Hawley (R-MO), J.D. Vance (R-OH), Rick Scott (R-FL), and Mike Lee (R-UT) blasted the bill as a backdoor effort to protect illegal immigration, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-LA) and the entire House Republican leadership proclaimed the bill would be dead on arrival in the House of Representatives, and former President Donald Trump said that "only a fool, or a Radical Left Democrat, would vote for this horrendous Border Bill."

But Lankford had one stalwart ally in McConnell, who backed the deal as soon as it was released. That was until the senator from Kentucky abruptly turned around and told GOP senators they should vote against advancing the bill to the Senate floor if they didn't like it.

It's a stunning reversal for McConnell, who is much more at peace working with centrist Democrats than he is with the conservative wing of his own party. But the worst part about his flip-flop is his callous willingness to throw Lankford under the bus.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-06 04:55 PM | Reply

The left is offering a border deal.
#25 Speaks
Well to be fair so did the right, it's sitting on Schumer's in box.

#30 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Perhaps you can play spot the difference between the Senate bill and HR2

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 04:55 PM | Reply

"former President Donald Trump said that "only a fool, or a Radical Left Democrat, would vote for this horrendous Border Bill."

Acting CBP chief, Border Patrol union back Senate border deal

thehill.com

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-06 05:02 PM | Reply

#33. Yep. HR2 tightens up the asylum process and the Senate bill makes the border more porous and reduces checks on a lack of enforcement.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-06 05:03 PM | Reply

Wrong

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:10 PM | Reply

www.appropriations.senate.gov

Try again

btw you need to define this: makes the border more porous and reduces checks on a lack of enforcement.

Like seriously, wtf does "reduces checks on a lack of enforcement." mean?

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:12 PM | Reply

Wrong
#36 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

He's wrong about everything and only serves as a reminder of how absurdly ignorant Republicans are.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-06 05:14 PM | Reply

www.congress.gov

Here is HR 2

btw a quick google search revealed this: What is in the Senate border bill?
The bill includes a mechanism that would give the Department of Homeland Security the authority to quickly expel migrants caught crossing the border illegally if crossings have been particularly high for several days in a row.

That would imply a less porous border.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:15 PM | Reply

Democrats always parrot "we need comprehensive immigration reform". Average people throughout America and its cities want our borders secure and our country back. They want our border closed and country back.

So Biden bribes the Border Patrol union with a 15% raise in this we Dems hate more Americans, love more illegals bill. The MSM has some news they claim to tout.

#40 | Posted by Robson at 2024-02-06 05:15 PM | Reply

apnews.com

a Senate bill that would make sweeping changes to immigration laws, including allowing a border emergency authority that would restrict asylum when arrests for illegal crossings hit certain thresholds.

In addition to the emergency authority, the bill released Sunday aims to have asylum officers screen applicants within 90 days of their arrival in the country using a tougher standard and, for those who pass, decide cases within another 90 days. Cases would ideally be decided in six months instead of six years, as is common in a court system backlogged with more than 3 million cases. It would do so largely by spending $4 billion to hire more than 4,300 asylum officers who would take on the work now reserved for immigration judges.

Seems like increases enforcement efforts and gives Biden increased power to boot people faster and for less justification.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:18 PM | Reply

And you wonder why people consider you a lying pos jeff.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:18 PM | Reply

bill includes a mechanism that would give the Department of Homeland Security the authority to quickly expel migrants caught crossing the border illegally if crossings have been particularly high for several days in a row
- truth

Can be over ridden by the President for climate emergency.

Limits also only apply to Mexican and Canadians.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-06 05:18 PM | Reply

Democrats always parrot "we need comprehensive immigration reform". Average people throughout America and its cities want our borders secure and our country back. They want our border closed and country back.

#40 | Posted by Robson

In other words, democrats want to tackle the problem using democracy and intelligent decision making, while republicans want to solve it with slogans and magical thinking.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-06 05:19 PM | Reply

Can be over ridden by the President for climate emergency.
Limits also only apply to Mexican and Canadians.

#43 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

I did a word search for the word climate in the senate bill and found 0 results. Could it be you are misinformed?

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-02-06 05:23 PM | Reply

Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski

Mitch: OK, I need another Senator to negotiate a deal on a tough issue with Chuck. You will get destroyed by right-wing media, Trump will attack you & MAGA will swarm you with threats & calls to resign, then I will abandon you & knife you in the back. Any takers?

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-06 06:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The trigger is after exceed g 8500 encounters in a single day or averaging 5000 over 7 days. And of course the mechanism is temporary AND it's dependent on the Executive to actually enforce it which is far from guaranteed. Further, it's not enforceable year round and the enforcement period is also limited - how long does the border get "shut down" when these absurdly high thresholds are met? On top of that, any and all challenges to lack of enforcement are limited to DC courts only. We are talking about 1.5 millions n plus encounters per year before any enforcement measure is even triggered.

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-06 06:02 PM | Reply

the Senate bill makes the border more porous and reduces checks on a lack of enforcement.
#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Are you actually studying these bills? And if so, what section of the senate bill "makes the border more porous?"

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-06 07:40 PM | Reply

Most Americans dont want comprehensive anything. They want individual sections and parts sent through for a separate vote, and for public knowledge and not a huge bill. They know comprehensive is a means for politicians to duck and deflect from responsibility. They muddy the waters with 1000 page bills that no one has time to read, after leadership delays the bill. Both parties do it. The public should have first right to provide feedback in all bills. Instead they are kept sealed to avoid any impetus for public feedback.

#49 | Posted by Robson at 2024-02-06 08:46 PM | Reply

Instead they are kept sealed to avoid any impetus for public feedback.

#49 | POSTED BY ROBSON

You really don't want to know how that sausage is made. You just wanna be a stick in the mud.

There is no way any bill would ever get passed if the public had to approve of every detail. That is exactly why you vote for representatives to represent your interests and read those 1000 pages and use their best judgement. And they have a staff to assist them. Do you?

That's what they are paid to do.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-06 10:08 PM | Reply

"Most Americans dont want comprehensive anything."

And once again how/why on earth do you think you magically know what most Americans think?

You clearly don't. So please stop saying that as though you do.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-06 10:11 PM | Reply

Most Americans dont want comprehensive anything. They want individual sections and parts sent through for a separate vote, and for public knowledge and not a huge bill

So you oppose tying Ukrainian aid to a border security bill? Good to know.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-07 12:11 AM | Reply

"Are you actually studying these bills? And if so, what section of the senate bill "makes the border more porous?"

#48 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2024-02-06 07:40 PM"

Explained in #47

#53 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-07 01:31 AM | Reply

Explained in #47

#53 | Posted by BellRinger

No, it wasn't.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2024-02-07 02:44 AM | Reply

Explained in #47

I asked what section, still waiting for that.

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-07 10:07 AM | Reply

Biden doesn't need Congress in order to enforce the border. Existing law allows for him, compels even, to do that.
#3 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You keep saying that but you don't back it up. Please specify which law you are referencing.

#56 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-02-07 11:02 AM | Reply

#56 Please specify which law you are referencing.
- johnny

Same one Obama used Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

#57 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-07 02:44 PM | Reply

And if so, what section of the senate bill "makes the border more porous?"
#48 | POSTED BY JOE

ALIENS from NONCONTIGUOUS countries SHALL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE SUM OF ALIENS ENCOUNTERED.
pg 213. Limitations to activation.
www.appropriations.senate.gov

Codification of catch and release.
release[d] from physical custody" until their "protection determination."

Current Law requires detainment until determination. www.law.cornell.edu

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-07 02:57 PM | Reply

#56 Please specify which law you are referencing.
- johnny
Same one Obama used Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

#57 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Wrong again.

That is ONLY temporary. It's limited to a class of aliens, not all aliens trying to cross the border. There's no funding to increase security with it. And the class would have to represent some specific detriment to US interest OTHER than simply being aliens. And I don't believe it overrides Asylum law.

The Bill would have done a lot more including funding, changing asylum law, freeing up immigration courts, and expanding emergency powers.

Try again.

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-07 03:06 PM | Reply

#59. 1.8 million before the bill triggered action.

It's garbage and you know it. It died quickly because it was exposed.

#60 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-07 03:30 PM | Reply

Like pretty much EVERYTHING else, Republicans were in favor of the bipartisan plan to begin securing the border with Mexico until Donald Trump came out against it. In fact, they turned against the plan AFTER Trump announced his opposition but BEFORE Trump or any other former supporters of the bill had even read it. It could not be more clear that once again like obedient sheep the GOP and MAGAts are falling into line like the bleating weaklings they are.

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-02-07 03:39 PM | Reply

Oh Jeff's still here just not answering questions about the basis for any of his claims? Classic.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-07 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JEFF is choosing ignorance, once again. Worse, he's once again avoiding specifics.

He's a fnkcin' punching bag. Still waiting to hear about the specific laws related to the border that are not being enforced.

I'm presuming there will never be an answer to this basic question from anyone on the DR if only because I haven't seen any Republican on any message board be able to articulate such nuance. There's a reason for that.

Swallow it, JEFF.

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-07 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Biden administration is considering taking executive action to deter illegal migration across the southern border, according to two U.S. officials.
twitter.com

It's limited to a class of aliens, not all aliens trying to cross the border.
~ Syncphant

212(f) allows the President to prohibit entry into the US of any foreign national he deems would be detrimental to US interests.


Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

A class could be, aliens NOT coming via POE.

There's no funding to increase security with it.
~ Syncophant

There doesn't need to be, there's plenty of State and Federal money to enforce. Biden just needs to implement.

And the class would have to represent some specific detriment to US interest OTHER than simply being aliens.

Can be ANY class, the specific detriment is economic.

And I don't believe it overrides Asylum law.

Access to the U.S. asylum system would be preserved at official border crossings.

You need to research things before showing up.

#64 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-07 10:28 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So what you are saying is that you can't reference a specific law and don't actually have anything to back up your claim?

Also still waiting for you to explain why it that both George W Bush and Trump tried to get a comprehensive border security and immigration passed if they really could just leverage existing law in some magical way that you've yet to explain.

#65 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2024-02-08 01:52 AM | Reply

The best thing to do is just to shoot anyone entering illegally. The feds want to cut the razor wire down, then they can do that and go clean up the dead bodies of everyone prevented from entering illegally. Eventually they will actually figure out how to enter our country and get processed legally, I guarantee it.

#66 | Posted by THEBULL at 2024-02-08 04:54 AM | Reply

The best thing to do is just to shoot anyone entering illegally.

Let me guess, you're "pro life"

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 07:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The best thing to do is just to shoot anyone entering illegally.

#66 | POSTED BY THEBULL

I suppose you know about the MAGA plot to murder Border Patrol?

Serious question: why do you think that you people should be trusted with guns?

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 07:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You need to research things before showing up.

#64 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

Oops. Looks like you read the law but not the CASE LAW and the CONFLICTS with other Federal Statutes.

You need to research things before showing up.

#69 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-02-08 10:54 AM | Reply

Well, lookie here:

" Here is the full list of the five Democrats who joined Republicans in voting "no."

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts
Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts
Senator Alex Padilla of California
Senator Bob Menendez of New Jersey
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York"

www.newsweek.com

Well, we just witnessed a stupid left wing talking point go into the crapper.

#70 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 11:45 AM | Reply

For the moment the bill is dead in the Senate and a small handful of Democrats contributed to its death.

#71 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 11:46 AM | Reply

" Here is the full list of the five Democrats who joined Republicans in voting "no."

FYI: Schumer voted no so the issue can be brought back up, just like that one Republican voted no on Mayorkas impeachment so that issue could be brought up:

The rest of the Democrats voted in favor of moving forward. Schumer switched his vote to a no at the end -- a procedural move that allowed him the opportunity to call the bill back up for reconsideration at a later date if he so chooses.

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-08 11:48 AM | Reply

#72. Yep. Newsweek did report that.

#73 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 11:49 AM | Reply

Link for above quote:

abcnews.go.com

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-08 11:50 AM | Reply

Shocker: Republicans Admit in Private That They Killed a Good Deal
Democratic Senator Michael Bennet says GOP colleagues have privately confessed that the now-dead immigration deal was the toughest one they'd ever get.
newrepublic.com

Whoops!

#75 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 12:31 PM | Reply

#75. Democrats helped kill the bill

Swallow it

#76 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 12:37 PM | Reply

This is cute. A few Democrats teamed up with Jeff's entire political movement to kill a border bill, therefore it's Democrats' fault there's no border bill. Imagine having this level of brain rot.

#77 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 12:40 PM | Reply

I didn't say it is Democrats fault. What I said was because 4 of them voted against you kind of lose the talking point you all are so desperate for.

#78 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 12:47 PM | Reply

The talking point is that Republicans aren't serious about the border, and no thinking person would disagree with that regardless of what a few Democrats do.

#79 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 12:52 PM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I'm not arguing against that premise. The article clearly shows some Republicans wanted the deal, that it was the best border deal compromise they'd ever see from Dems. That's important context, stop ignoring it.

If you're suggesting Senate Dems fell in line with Trump, you're a fnkcin' moron.

Swallow it.

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The proposed bill woundt have made the situation any better. In some ways it would have made the situation worse. I'm glad it tanked and I'm glad 4 Democrats helped tank it. Good on them.

#81 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 01:16 PM | Reply

#81 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER: Silly and brain-dead obedience to the Trump Cult party line. Or, put another way, you've used ridiculous lemons to make stupid lemon aide. Is it too much to admit that you people just do what you're told?

#82 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 01:30 PM | Reply

The proposed bill woundt have made the situation any better. In some ways it would have made the situation worse.

That's funny because each time someone asks you to substantiate that by actually pointing to the bill provisions you dislike, you disappear for several hours and then come back like it never happened.

Aside from how hilariously lacking in substance anything you say is, you're also pretending that bipartisan legislation is supposed to be perfect. Of course you can find things to criticize. For someone who always talks about Civics 101, your position here is grossly out of step with the reality of our system of government.

#83 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The trigger is after exceed g 8500 encounters in a single day or averaging 5000 over 7 days. And of course the mechanism is temporary AND it's dependent on the Executive to actually enforce it which is far from guaranteed. Further, it's not enforceable year round and the enforcement period is also limited - how long does the border get "shut down" when these absurdly high thresholds are met? On top of that, any and all challenges to lack of enforcement are limited to DC courts only. We are talking about 1.5 millions n plus encounters per year before any enforcement measure is even triggered.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-02-06 06:02 PM | REPLY

#84 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 02:21 PM | Reply

"We are talking about 1.5 millions n plus encounters per year before any enforcement measure is even triggered."

Republicans could introduce a new bill to address that, so why don't they?

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-08 02:28 PM | Reply

POSTED BY BELLRINGER: There is no objective reason to suppose that any member of the Far Right, as you are, has any care about the Border other than as a manipulative tool.

#86 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 02:58 PM | Reply

#86. This is Biden's mess and voters know it.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 03:01 PM | Reply

The trigger is after exceed g 8500 encounters in a single day or averaging 5000 over 7 days.

What is your objection to that? You're just throwing out random parts of the bill and pretending it sounds bad. What should the number be and why?

And of course the mechanism is temporary

What is your objection to that and why?

AND it's dependent on the Executive to actually enforce it which is far from guaranteed

As is the case with all executive authority; your point?

the enforcement period is also limited

What is your objection to that and why?

any and all challenges to lack of enforcement are limited to DC courts only

Any politician of any party should insist on nothing less after federal judges in Texas have tried to steal control of immigration law from the federal government.

We are talking about 1.5 millions n plus encounters per year before any enforcement measure is even triggered.

That's not even remotely true; the trigger as you stated is a one day total or seven day average, which given Republicans' insistence that the border is wide open should be a very easy bar to clear.

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 03:01 PM | Reply

#88. Danforth would accuse you of using Republican math.

#89 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 03:04 PM | Reply

" What should the number be and why?"

Well, given that the Obama administration said that 1000 per day is a crisis situation, the number should be one tenth of what is in the ow dead bill.

#90 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 03:05 PM | Reply

86. This is Biden's mess and voters know it.

POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-02-08 03:01 PM | REPLY

No it's not. It's the Right Wing mess and you know it too. Biden wants the authority to close the borders but needs Congress to give him the power to do so. Try again Jeff.

www.politifact.com

#91 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-02-08 03:15 PM | Reply

So you trust Barack Obama and follow his lead now? Interesting. Why should emergency powers be activated by typical daily situations and not actual emergencies? And why are you insisting that the Biden administration be given unchecked, apparently limitless power over the border?

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 03:17 PM | Reply

#91. That makes no sense. What you are trying to say is existing law dictates that our border is to be completely open. Yet, border patrol, ICE and DHS all exist.

Biden admin made a conscious choice of minimal enforcement and it's going to cost them politically.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 03:23 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Now it's the Republicans' mess and voters know it.

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 03:26 PM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

B. Hussein didn't (and doesn't) know WTF he's talking about.

Swallow it.

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 03:30 PM | Reply

" Now it's the Republicans' mess and voters know it.

#94 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2024-02-08 03:26 PM | FLAG: "

You wish. The bill never made it out of the Senate. Biden's minimal enforcement has been a conscious choice. And for over two years his administration has claimed the border is secure.

Polling doesn't back up your wet dream of risibly trying to place this at the feet of the GOP.

#96 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 03:31 PM | Reply

#93 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Come on, don't stop there! Talk about your replacement theory and the amnesty bill that's coming down the pike!

#97 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 03:35 PM | Reply

#96 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Have you been paying attention? JFC You're making nothing but assumptions. The narrative has shifted. People are solely paying attention to Trump's undermining the bill for political reasons. Plenty of time for that to be even MORE solidified between now and November.

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 03:38 PM | Reply

POSTED BY BELLRINGER: Sure, keep telling yourself it's still on Biden. By November, everyone will know about Trump's sabotage of the national interest an the MAGA (you) complicity in it.

#99 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#96 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER: The feet of the GOP is where Trump and the GOP threw it. And there the Border lays, in fetal position and mewling piteously, because you people care more about a campaign topic than a policy solution.

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 04:01 PM | Reply

It failed to pass the Senate because once it was finally revealed to the public blocks was seen as the turd that it is. Biden and his foot soldiers can gaslight all they want but it won't work.

#101 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 04:04 PM | Reply

#101 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Wrong. It is working.

#102 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:05 PM | Reply

#93 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Come on, don't stop there! Talk about your replacement theory and the amnesty bill that's coming down the pike!

#103 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:06 PM | Reply

" The narrative has shifted"

No matter how much you wish that to be the case, it hasn't shifted.

#104 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 04:06 PM | Reply

#104 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

No matter how much you wish the border is Biden's fault, it's not. Why don't you talk about your replacement theory and the amnesty bill that's coming down the pike!

#105 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:07 PM | Reply

I haven't talked about an amnesty bill. I haven't seen one seriously proposed

#106 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 04:11 PM | Reply

" No matter how much you wish the border is Biden's fault, it's not"

Yes, it is. He made a choice for lax enforcement and now the country is being overrun. It's been like this ever since he stepped into office. He immediately undid Trump's border policies that were actually effective. He made that choice. People aren't anywhere near as dumb as you think they are. People now the executive is responsible for enforcement.

#107 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 04:14 PM | Reply

"He made a choice for lax enforcement and now the country is being overrun."

What did The House of Representatives choose to do about that, since noon on Jan 20, 2021?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-08 04:17 PM | Reply

Wouldn't the bill have ended 'catch and release'?

Abbott was shipping migrants across the country to get attention on that issue and Democrats agreed to try and end the process much to progressives dismay.

And, Republicans blocked it!

#109 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:18 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yes you have. It's central to your replacement theory. Is your memory failing like Biden's?

#110 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:19 PM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

You have provided no proof of this. Why is that?

In fact, the Biden administration has not gone lax on enforcing laws tied to immigration and the U.S.-Mexican border. The administration has been taking various actions to address the border situation. President Biden is considering executive action to deter illegal migration at the border, as passing legislation on border security in Congress appears unlikely. The administration has also been using its available tools to secure the border and build an orderly and humane immigration system, including increasing border enforcement and accelerating processing for work authorizations. Additionally, the administration has taken more than 500 executive actions on immigration since Biden took office, more than Trump did in four years as president. The claim that the Biden administration has been lax on enforcing laws tied to immigration and the U.S.-Mexican border is not supported by the actions and measures taken by the administration.

www.nbcnews.com
www.reuters.com
www.migrationpolicy.org
www.dhs.gov
apnews.com

#111 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The numbers don't lie no matter how much gaslighting is employed.

#112 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-02-08 04:34 PM | Reply

"The numbers don't lie"

What's the number of immigration bills passed by the Republican House since 2021?

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-08 04:35 PM | Reply

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Why are you ignoring the difference between cause and correlation?

#114 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-02-08 04:37 PM | Reply

He made a choice for lax enforcement

When? Where is that choice documented? What specific acts did he undertake to actuate this choice?

#115 | Posted by JOE at 2024-02-08 04:47 PM | Reply

Where is that choice documented?
www.reuters.com

#116 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-08 04:58 PM | Reply

What's the number of immigration bills passed by the Republican House since 2021?
#113 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

1.

#117 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-08 04:59 PM | Reply

And why are you insisting that the Biden administration be given unchecked, apparently limitless power over the border?
- Joe

It's not limitless.

#118 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-08 05:01 PM | Reply

the trigger as you stated is a one day total or seven day average,
-joe

One day or seven of aliens coming from contiguous countries, ei Mexico and Canada.

All others are not counted towards the limit.

#119 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-02-08 05:03 PM | Reply

#112 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER: Your ability to ignore immediate and evolving political reality is impressive. Any MAGA who goes to the border for a photo op now is one stupid, masochistic sumbitch.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2024-02-08 05:06 PM | Reply

How Joe Biden and Donald Trump's border policies compare
17 May 2023

www.bbc.com

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-08 05:12 PM | Reply

Biden Restricts Asylum Access After Vowing to Reverse Trump Immigration Policies

The proposed rule is the harshest measure yet by the president's administration, echoing Trump-era immigration policies
FEBRUARY 21, 2023

www.rollingstone.com

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-08 05:14 PM | Reply

122

I haven't followed this issue enough to know that and that article is almost a year old.

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2024-02-08 05:21 PM | Reply

I haven't followed this issue enough to know that and that article is almost a year old.
#123 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Maybe you can find a more recent one.

#124 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-02-08 05:36 PM | Reply

Fat lazy ---- us fat lazy ----.

#125 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-02-08 10:39 PM | Reply

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