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Saturday, February 10, 2024

California would ban all plastic shopping bags in 2026 under a new bill announced Thursday in the state Legislature. California already bans thin plastic shopping bags at grocery stores and other shops, but shoppers at checkout can purchase bags made with a thicker plastic that purportedly makes them reusable and recyclable.

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Democratic state Sen. Catherine Blakespear said people are not reusing or recycling those bags. She points to a state study that found the amount of plastic shopping bags trashed per person grew from 8 pounds per year in 2004 to 11 pounds per year in 2021.

"It shows that the plastic bag ban that we passed in this state in 2014 did not reduce the overall use of plastic. It actually resulted in a substantial increase in plastic," Blakespear, a Democrat from Encinitas, said Thursday. "We are literally choking our planet with plastic waste."

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Disposable plastic ban is long overdue.

End user consumer plastic use should be banned as much as possible.

But that would be bad for the economy, so enjoy your cancer.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

California plastic bag ban increased plastic waste

"But they meant well!" The battle cry of liberal ideologues who want to change the world but refuse to course correct as their plans fail. But still an improvement over conservatives who refuse to acknowledge any problems to begin with, so there's that, I guess.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-10 03:36 PM | Reply

California plastic bag ban increased plastic waste.
"But they meant well!"

George W. Bush invaded Iraq.
"But they meant well!"

Both sides are the same.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 03:53 PM | Reply

At the start of the plastic bag ban, the use of reusable bag greatly increased. Some places were selling quite fancy, and expensive, reusable bags.

But once Covid hit, grocery stores weren't allowing customers to bring in their own bags. I assume it was due to the bags being tainted with the coronavirus.

You could either purchase the much thicker plastic bags or wait until you got to your car to bag them using your own fancy, expensive reusable bags.

The vast majority of shoppers spent the 10 cents per bag rather than bagging at their car.

These days I rarely see anyone using their own reusable bags.

In the end. The plastic bag ban only resulted in customers paying for their plastic bags rather than the grocery stores providing them.

Capitalism, baby!

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-10 04:15 PM | Reply

"The vast majority of shoppers spent the 10 cents per bag rather than bagging at their car."

It's like CA 5c redemption fee for recyclables.

Only very poor people are going to return their empty bottles and cans for a nickel. Or pluck empty plastic bottles out of the trash, flatten them so the barcode still scans, put them in a huge plastic trash bag, and take them to the recycle. But only flimsy plastic water bottles, coke bottles don't squish flat and glass and aluminum are too heavy.

The rest of us pay an extra thirty cents a six pack and forget about it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 04:25 PM | Reply

The rest of us pay an extra thirty cents a six pack and forget about it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy

Who's US?

Carrying reusable bags or recycling a can is super easy for anyone who isn't crippled.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-10 04:40 PM | Reply

Carrying reusable bags or recycling a can is super easy for anyone who isn't crippled.

I just bag mine up and save them. Every month or two the schools or some clubs have bottle drives and will come and pick them up.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-02-10 04:44 PM | Reply

"Who's US?"

People with an income they pay taxes on.

"Carrying reusable bags or recycling a can is super easy for anyone who isn't crippled."

It is.

I'll believe you are making a valid counter argument when you say you've recycled more than a hundred empties at once in California.

That's more than ten whole bucks for your time and effort!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 04:45 PM | Reply

Five bucks, even!

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 04:47 PM | Reply

I'm using mine to create a Plastic Orange Jesus statue for the 14 percent of Americans who are Evangelicals.

Of course, I'll be using environmentally friendly coloring.

I figure they'll sell like hotcakes!

And I'll donate the proceeds to the Lynch Leo Leonard Campaign.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-02-10 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Carrying reusable bags or recycling a can is super easy for anyone who isn't crippled.v#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Plenty of people reuse and recycle where it's possible. But the bottle/can deposits are basically another tax as stores refuse to reimburse. It's not worth the hassle of dealing with the filth and homeless people bringing in cans scavenged from recycle bins and garbage. The stores would rather pay the fine for not complying with their reimbursement obligation.

For example, as a result California is sitting on $600 million in unclaimed bottle and can deposits.

#11 | Posted by censored at 2024-02-10 04:50 PM | Reply

You probably don't realize you have to stand there and feed them into a machine on a conveyor belt, one by one. Usually waiting for a few people in front of you to finish. Sometimes the machine rejects your barcode. The whole area smells like a dumpster and is usually near the dumpster too. After placing your hundred cents on the conveyor one by one, you get a voucher you can then take to the nearby grocery store to redeem for cash.

If that's worth five bucks to you, you're poor and shouldn't be living on a soda and beer budget to begin with.

And like I said, it's usually trash pickers returning other people's trash who find this activity financially worthwhile.

But you do you!

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 04:53 PM | Reply

So, what happens is, most people put the 5c recycling in the recycling bin that gets picked up with the trash, and forgo the 5c.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 04:54 PM | Reply

Colorado is doing this too. This may be the stupidest law Gov. Polis has ever signed.

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-02-10 05:38 PM | Reply

It's unnecessary to do a law, when stores could just charge ten cents for a paper bag and stop using plastic.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-02-10 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even after laws are changed, the cultural change will take years.

Article is short-sighted horse manure.

#16 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-11 11:07 AM | Reply

Another attempt by those anti-Anerican liberals address very real problems caused by capitalism has faired poorly.

Let's all cheer, and stop wasting time on such folly.

Yay!

#17 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-02-11 11:19 AM | Reply

"The vast majority of shoppers spent the 10 cents per bag rather than bagging at their car."

Who "bags at their car"??? I just bring in my re-usable bags and they do it for me.

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-02-12 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who "bags at their car"?

During the pandemic. You couldn't bring your own bags into grocery stores.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-02-12 12:52 PM | Reply

It is.

I'll believe you are making a valid counter argument when you say you've recycled more than a hundred empties at once in California.

That's more than ten whole bucks for your time and effort!

#8 | Posted by snoofy

I recycle them one at a time. Civilized locales pick up recycling from your house.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-02-12 12:53 PM | Reply

I always use re-useable bags (and a backpack) but my former roommate just kept buying bags at $.25/ea and throwing them away. I saved up enough to fill a pantry before taking a few bales of them to the food pantry so they could use them.

#21 | Posted by AustinTX at 2024-02-12 02:27 PM | Reply

Who "bags at their car"??? I just bring in my re-usable bags and they do it for me.

I on more than one occasion have gone into the store to grab one thing and remember I need more, but didn't bring in the reusable bags have had to bag at the car.

#22 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-02-12 02:28 PM | Reply

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