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Some college students who participated in pro-Palestinian protests, campus activism has cost them their degrees " at least for a while.

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Apparently higher education is not the bastion of free speech that many people thought it was. But the Constitution is slowly dying.

#1 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-06-01 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Apparently higher education is not the bastion of free speech that many people thought it was. But the Constitution is slowly dying. #1 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Lol! Please let us know which part of the Constitution allows folks to trespass on property.

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-01 07:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#2

If they're students they're not trespassing. They even paid to be there.

#3 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-06-01 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

They violated university code of conduct.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-06-01 07:58 PM | Reply

"They violated university code of conduct."

I sure hope the University violated the university code of conduct by withholding a degree for someone who deserves one.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-01 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

If they're students they're not trespassing. They even paid to be there.
#3 | Posted by Whatsleft

Are you just trolling?

Don't know which school you believe allows students to go wherever they want on campus, whenever they want. And then to remain there after admin directs them to leave.

And then you think the student is entitled to receive a degree from the school after they violate its rules? Not to mention criminal law?

#6 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-01 09:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I bet if they were pro Israel protestors you would have a different opinion on the matter Censored.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-01 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I bet if they were pro Israel protestors you would have a different opinion on the matter Censored.
#7 | Posted by LauraMohr

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.

Although I did laugh heartily when the pro-Israel crowd clashed with the pro-Hamasers. That was some real entertainment.

#8 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-01 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"pro Israel protestors"

The pro Israel protestors aren't students. They're Brownshirts.

Police-backed Kyles from groups like Oath Keepers and Three Percenters.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-01 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Do the only thing left that scares the hell out of institutions...

Sue. Band together, and collectively sue the hell out of them for
a violation of your right to protest, and your freedom of speech.

If the student has already earned that degree, it is theirs,
they have paid for it, both in time and in money. The university
has to honor their part of the business transaction and give that
student their degree.

It is a simple court case in my opinion. Open and shut.

#10 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-06-03 06:46 AM | Reply

That would be nice if it were true.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 07:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They violated university code of conduct.

Most students do so regularly. I know i did much worse than merely "trespassing" (protesting) in college and my degree wasn't withheld.

This country is going to ----. It was already pretty bad, but it's truly broken now.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 08:13 AM | Reply

Did you get caught and expelled for "doing much worse"? Probably not.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 08:37 AM | Reply

I got caught violating the University code of conduct more than once. As do thousands of other college students, probably on a weekly basis. Suddenly it's a basis to expel and withhold degrees because Israel got sad? I don't buy it and neither should you.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't buy it and neither should you.

#14 | POSTED BY JOE

If they violated the law or caused damage to university property and needed to pay restitution first I can see withholding degrees temporarily until those debts were paid.

Other than that I agree with you. It seems kinda ----------- and feels like "revenge and retribution".

And that's a maga thing and we should not support it.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-03 10:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-It seems kinda ----------- and feels like "revenge and retribution".

I agree with you. I think they are trying to discourage this from happening again.

I believe these universities are showing us who they are beholden to.......the sources of their endowment funds.

That is likely where this pressure comes from. They are screwing with these kids to make a point. I would guess they'll end up with their degrees eventually.

"And that's a maga thing"

I don't see how it's that. It's wrong but I don't see how it's related to support for Trump.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-06-03 12:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Some of you guys are hilarious. Thinking that students have the right to break their school's rules, criminal law, and then receive a degree. Probably only because they support what you support.

Looking forward to you all rushing to the defense of this fine young lady: "University of Kentucky student who repeatedly hurled racist slur at Black student permanently banned from campus [...] Sophia Rosing - who is no longer a student - was initially suspended on an interim basis, and is now no longer a student, permanently banned from campus, and will not be eligible to re-enroll as a student." www.cnn.com

#17 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-03 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I got caught violating the University code of conduct more than once.

#14 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2024-06-03 10:51 AM | FLAG:

Just curious what decade this was. Some of the hijinks my professors have described from their college days would have you thrown in prison now. If you're more from their era than the current one, college isn't quite like you remember.

Anyways, most of these students get their degrees as soon as the investigation completes, because they are being given due process. If they actually committed a crime that would merit an expulsion, and get expelled, that level of stupidity doesn't merit sympathy.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 12:56 PM | Reply

Looking forward to you all rushing to the defense of this fine young lady: "University of Kentucky student who repeatedly hurled racist slur at Black student permanently banned from campus [...] Sophia Rosing - who is no longer a student - was initially suspended on an interim basis, and is now no longer a student, permanently banned from campus, and will not be eligible to re-enroll as a student." www.cnn.com

#17 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Ah yes...the old "Calling people the N-Word is the same as saying Stop Genocide" argument.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-03 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"University of Kentucky student who repeatedly hurled racist slur at Black student permanently banned from campus"

See what I mean about college campuses being intolerant of right-wing opinions?
--JeffJ

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-03 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ah yes...the old "Calling people the N-Word is the same as saying Stop Genocide" argument.

POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-06-03 01:09 PM | REPLY

Censored is as dishonest as Netanayu is.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-06-03 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 but from the river to the sea is getting close in the level of offense taken, so why is that okay?

Any who cares, what's being said, I thought you wanted free speech free of consequences? Because it's not the Government doing this, so their rights are not being infringed. They got to say what they wanted, and the Government didn't intervene.

#22 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-06-03 01:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ah yes...the old "Calling people the N-Word is the same as saying Stop Genocide" argument. #19 | Posted by Sycophant

If you want to put it that way. But she was expelled for violating criminal law, even before she was arrested for it. Just like these fine anti-"genocide!!!!" students were violating criminal law. By trespassing on school property after they were told to stop.

If you don't think trespassing is a biggie, you should have no qualms if anyone decides to camp out for a week or two or six at your home/business without your permission.

#23 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-03 01:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Censored is as dishonest as Netanayu is. #21 | Posted by LauraMohr

Lol! I copy/pasted and cited the CNN article. Not sure what's dishonest there, but OK.

#24 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-03 01:21 PM | Reply

Because it's not the Government doing this, so their rights are not being infringed. They got to say what they wanted, and the Government didn't intervene.

#22 | POSTED BY KWRX25

The First Amendment applies to Public Universities. Try again.

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-03 01:31 PM | Reply

Censored is a Poltroon, a Liar and Bigot.

He's too Scared to do anything but post puerilities on this website.

Tough Guy, Indeed.

#26 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-06-03 01:31 PM | Reply

The First Amendment applies to Public Universities. Try again.

#25 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-06-03 01:31 PM | REPLY

Only 4 people out of hundreds are having an issue. There's more to it than speech.

#27 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 01:42 PM | Reply

Lol! I copy/pasted and cited the CNN article. Not sure what's dishonest there, but OK.

#24 | POSTED BY CENSORED

The comparison is dishonest. Not sure how that's hard to grasp.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-03 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you want to put it that way. But she was expelled for violating criminal law, even before she was arrested for it. Just like these fine anti-"genocide!!!!" students were violating criminal law. By trespassing on school property after they were told to stop.

If you don't think trespassing is a biggie, you should have no qualms if anyone decides to camp out for a week or two or six at your home/business without your permission.

#23 | POSTED BY CENSORED

It's not trespassing if they don't break into buildings. Why are they going after people who didn't do that?

Students and Non-Students can legally protest on public university campuses. Sorry dude.

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-03 01:45 PM | Reply

If they actually committed a crime that would merit an expulsion, and get expelled, that level of stupidity doesn't merit sympathy.

I don't dispute that camping on university property during a protest is likely a technical violation of some university policy. My point is that violations of university policy are literally happening constantly, and how those violations are addressed (or not addressed) is a choice. Punishing a violation that is rooted in political expression this harshly, while allowing far more senseless violations to continue unabated, is a choice. And that is not to say everyone violating university policy needs to be punished to the maximum extent allowable - it is to say that we should let kids be kids, and if they earned their degrees they should receive them.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The comparison is dishonest. Not sure how that's hard to grasp.
#28 | Posted by Sycophant

They were both breaking criminal law. If you want to start dictating which crimes colleges can care about and which ones they can't, have at it I suppose.

As I said, feel free to also refrain from calling the cops when people decide to camp out at your own home without your permission for a few months. Because you don't think that criminal trespass is a big deal, apparently, and I wouldn't want anyone to accuse you of being a hypocrite or having a double-standard.

#31 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-03 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's not trespassing if they don't break into buildings.
Really? So people can camp out on your front lawn and you can't do anything about it?

[...] Students and Non-Students can legally protest on public university campuses. Sorry dude. #29 | Posted by Sycophant
Protest, like wearing an armband or tattooing a swastika on your forehead, is one thing; camping out is another. Please feel free to let me know which court case says otherwise.

And, not that I think it matters for present purposes, but University of Chicago is a private school.

#32 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-03 02:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Punishing a violation that is rooted in political expression this harshly, while allowing far more senseless violations to continue unabated, is a choice.

#30 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2024-06-03 01:51 PM | FLAG:

Nobody was punished. You definitely did not read this article.

"The arrest led to an eight-month school investigation that ended with warnings for the students. Hasweh fears they won't be let off the hook again."

They were warned, for trespassing, not protesting. That was it, that's the end of it. A warning, have fun at graduation.

They decided to appeal the warning over trespassing. Now they can't get their degree until the process concludes, after which the University will immediately award them.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 02:24 PM | Reply

And that's a maga thing"

I don't see how it's that. It's wrong but I don't see how it's related to support for Trump.
#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY

They either broke a law or rule or not. Temporarily withholding their degrees until those violations were properly adjudicated is fine. Never giving them a degree because they broke a rule or a law (depending on the law of course) sounds like revenge and retribution.

And then I said revenge and retribution is a maga thing.

And we definitely should not play into that nonsense.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-06-03 02:33 PM | Reply

You definitely did not read this article.
They were warned, for trespassing, not protesting. That was it, that's the end of it. A warning, have fun at graduation.
They decided to appeal the warning over trespassing. Now they can't get their degree until the process concludes

I read the entirety of Haswa's account before commenting, which has zero reference to any student-initiated appeal and reads in its entirety as follows:

Hasweh, who has been active in pro-Palestinian protests since the Israel-Hamas war broke out, received an email about a week before graduation that his degree would not be conferred.

"I recently received multiple complaints regarding the quad encampment that report issues related to disruptive conduct. In investigating the matter, you have been identified as an individual that may have been involved," Jeremy W. Inabinet, an associate dean of students, wrote Hasweh in a May 24 email. "Given the fact that you will be involved in the Disciplinary System for Disruptive Conduct and in consultation with the Faculty Chair, your degree will not be conferred until the resolution of this matter occurs."

Inabinet said Hasweh would be allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies on Saturday. But that could change if the university gets any further reports of misconduct, the dean of students said.

Hasweh is a political science student who has family in the West Bank. He suspects the university singled him and three of his classmates because they were among a group arrested on trespassing charges for participating in a pro-Palestinian sit-in in the fall. The arrest led to an eight-month school investigation that ended with warnings for the students. Hasweh fears they won't be let off the hook again.

"Everything is on the table again, and we're gambling with expulsion," he said. "We'll be degreeless and jobless and put in this impossible situation."

While the university did not answer specific questions about the arrests, it said in statement on disciplinary proceedings that "degrees can be conferred expeditiously, depending upon the resolution."

Maybe you should learn to read before criticizing others for it.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also pretty weird to see your position shift so dramatically from "tough ----, dont do the crime if you cant do the time" to "umm actually nobody was punished for anything teehee."

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

34

I see your point. Couldn't agree more.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2024-06-03 03:01 PM | Reply

"As they await appeals processes and the results of university investigations, they're preparing for an uncertain future. In the worst-case scenario, they'll be saddled with debt and will have no degree to show for it."

They're appealing or this article is badly written.

Burks was arrested for assault and expelled. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Hawsa got a warning.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#38 You can read right there that Hasweh's current disciplinary situation is a result of complaints filed against him for disruptive conduct, but whatever you need to hang your hat on i guess.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-03 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He suspects the university singled him and three of his classmates because they were among a group arrested on trespassing charges"

Trespassed, got a arrested. "We were singled out for getting arrested!" ffs

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-03 03:51 PM | Reply

And, not that I think it matters for present purposes, but University of Chicago is a private school.

#32 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Yes, that is one of the exceptions.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-03 03:59 PM | Reply

Posted by sitzkrieg

Posted by censored

Dumfugs need to STFU.

#42 | Posted by Angrydad at 2024-06-03 08:59 PM | Reply

"Never giving them a degree because they broke a rule or a law (depending on the law of course) sounds like revenge and retribution."

They paid their tuition (or somebody paid their tuition), and met the requirements to graduate. I don't understand the whole concept of withholding the degree.

If they committed a crime, file a police report and have them arrested. If they were not seniors who had already completed thier studies, expel them.

This just seems weird.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-03 11:04 PM | Reply

"Punishing a violation that is rooted in political expression this harshly, while allowing far more senseless violations to continue unabated, is a choice."

I would hazard a guess that, if it were White Supremacists or Christian nationalists, you'd have no issues with colleges taking the most extreme disciplinary measures possible.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-03 11:06 PM | Reply

Or are there very fine people on both sides?

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-06-03 11:06 PM | Reply

@#43 ... met the requirements to graduate. ...

Did they? What are in those legal requirements to graduate?

That aside...

... I don't understand the whole concept of withholding the degree. ...

My guess would be that there is ~legal language~ that can be used to justify this opinion.

Having said that.

I will note that, back in the day, when I protested against the Vietnam War, my college ( www.stevens.edu ) did not withhold my degree. The school dealt with the protests. And in a great manner, if I may say.

So, yeah, at this point I think the withholding of a degree may be a step too far.

I am willing to hear other views, though.


#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-03 11:29 PM | Reply

>Posted by sitzkrieg
>Posted by censored
Dumfugs need to STFU.
#42 | Posted by Angrydad

Does this make you Angry, Dad? And was that your reasoned and well thought-out argument?

Wait till you find out all the other fun stuff that await people who decide to break laws off campus.

But I'm sure illegally trespassing on school property in Chicago for a couple months and reeking of B.O. has resolved all problems in the Middle East.

#47 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-04 12:20 AM | Reply

Misleading headline.
Should say: "Colleges withhold degrees from criminals who damage property and refuse to leave buildings in which they are trespassing."

#48 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-06-04 09:14 AM | Reply


They paid their tuition (or somebody paid their tuition), and met the requirements to graduate. I don't understand the whole concept of withholding the degree.

Possible they did damage to the University property, and until it s paid off they wouldn't get their degree, the only fact that matters to the political types is they were "protesters".

My guess is as with most of these types of headlines, its never what it appears.

#49 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-06-04 09:59 AM | Reply

Misleading headline.
Should say: "Colleges withhold degrees from criminals who damage property and refuse to leave buildings in which they are trespassing."

#48 | POSTED BY E1G1

I don't remember ANYTHING in the article about damage to property.

Most of the students also didn't trespass.

Try again.

#50 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-04 10:15 AM | Reply

[...] Most of the students also didn't trespass. Try again. #50 | Posted by Sycophant

Even many of the ones who did trespass were not, by your incorrect definition anyway. Because you think people have a right to camp out on school lawns after they're told to leave. So homeless people (after they register as students?) can set up shop on college campus courtyards, and in your world no one can do anything about it. And that result seems perfectly reasonable to you, for some reason.

And you think other students are entitled to disrupt school proceedings, like graduations, without consequence.

#51 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-04 10:33 AM | Reply

I would hazard a guess that, if it were White Supremacists or Christian nationalists, you'd have no issues with colleges taking the most extreme disciplinary measures possible.
#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Dumb guess. Even if you can equate opposition to genocide with white supremacy (highly debatable), i don't really think student misconduct is a basis to withhold a degree under any circumstances. If the student completes their course requirements they should receive a degree. If they violate the law they should be subjected to criminal process. Letting universities run their own disciplinary shop and take peoples' degrees away is insane.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-04 10:43 AM | Reply

Jews know the importance of having one's papers in order.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-04 10:48 AM | Reply

[...] Letting universities run their own disciplinary shop and take peoples' degrees away is insane. #52 | Posted by JOE

Whatever you do, don't run an Internet search for "university rescinds degree." Your mind may explode with the "insanity."

#54 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-04 11:16 AM | Reply

I realize it's a pretty extreme viewpoint, and i'm sure there are institutional reasons i'm unaware of that make things this way. Just my uninformed take, worth what you paid for it.

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-04 11:22 AM | Reply

"Though it's rare for colleges to revoke degrees, it happens. Many schools have policies in place to revoke a degree if a student is discovered to have earned it illegitimately, be it by plagiarism or any other form of academic misconduct."

Protesting and trespassing isn't academic misconduct.

What's happening here is the Jewish donors are telling the universities that if you want to keep getting money, you have to punish the protesters.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-06-04 11:34 AM | Reply

I realize it's a pretty extreme viewpoint, and i'm sure there are institutional reasons i'm unaware of that make things this way. Just my uninformed take, worth what you paid for it. #55 | Posted by JOE

From what I saw, most of the time it was for academic dishonesty (which showed the students never really earned the degree) so that makes perfect sense. But schools also seem to rescind degrees for graduates who falsified records in their admission application, so even though they did what the needed to do to graduate they still lost the degree.

#57 | Posted by censored at 2024-06-04 11:36 AM | Reply

#57 I would definitely temper my viewpoint for things like that because they relate to academics for which the degree is conferred. For me, the further the conduct is from academics, the less sense it makes to rescind a degree as punishment.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2024-06-04 11:39 AM | Reply

You know if they were on the football team, this wouldn't be an issue.

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-06-04 11:41 AM | Reply

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