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Thursday, January 09, 2025

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass oversaw a city budget adjustment which slashed over $17 million from the city's fire department months before Tuesday's devastating wildfires, information shared by a city official shows.

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Among budget items which received extra cash was "zoo," which increased by $27,000, the information shows. Also receiving increases were "library," which jumped $14.6 million, and "cannabis regulation," which increased by $1.8 million.

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Yes, Los Angeles cut $17.6 million from the fire department's budget
www.krem.com">www.krem.com

... The Los Angeles Fire Department's budget was cut by nearly $17.6 million this fiscal year. That's a roughly 2% decrease from the previous year. ...

As the wildfires burned, multiple social media posts claimed Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by $17.6 million, months before the fires broke out. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks for the clarification in your post #1 gaslighter. From your post:

Yes, Los Angeles cut $17.6 million from the fire department's budget.

The Los Angeles Fire Department's budget was cut by nearly $17.6 million this fiscal year. That's a roughly 2% decrease from the previous year.

As the wildfires burned, multiple social media posts claimed Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by $17.6 million, months before the fires broke out.

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 08:18 PM | Reply

Some social media posts suggest that at least some of the LAFD's funding was redirected to the Los Angeles Police Department's nearly $2 billion budget. We can VERIFY that the LAPD did get a nearly $126 million increase in funding this fiscal year

Instead of killing cops because the------------- lost an election, the mayor gave the LAPD a healthy budget increase.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-08 08:24 PM | Reply

@32 ... As the wildfires burned, multiple social media posts claimed Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by $17.6 million, months before the fires broke out. ...

I do not disagree that $17.6 million dollars were cut.

But, as I noted, that is a 2% reduction in the budget.

Under different circumstances I'd suspect you would be lauding the Mayor for reducing spending.

So, that leads me to ask ...

Do you think that Government institutions like, e.g., the LA Fire Department should see a funding increase, or a funding decrease?

And, what may be the reasons for your answer?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#2 ... Yes, Los Angeles cut $17.6 million from the fire department's budget.

The Los Angeles Fire Department's budget was cut by nearly $17.6 million this fiscal year. That's a roughly 2% decrease from the previous year. ...

Ok, that raises an interesting question ...

DOGE wants to reduce government spending. Drastically.

So, how does that DOGE reduction of government spending jibe with your comment?


#5 | Posted by lamplighter at 2025-01-08 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5
That sure shut the yip+yappers. ("Burn, baby, burn" is, admittedly, a hard sell.)

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-01-09 05:45 AM | Reply

LA mayor slashed fire budget for homeless

She's toast! (pun intended)

#7 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2025-01-09 07:49 AM | Reply

Good, all those freshly homeless extremely wealthy people who lived where they knew they were at extreme risk from fires will have services they can use.

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2025-01-09 09:07 AM | Reply

@32 ... As the wildfires burned, multiple social media posts claimed Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by $17.6 million, months before the fires broke out. ...
..
Do you think that Government institutions like, e.g., the LA Fire Department should see a funding increase, or a funding decrease?
And, what may be the reasons for your answer?
#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-08 08:47 PM

Did you break Nomad MK-15c again?! Excellent.

#9 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2025-01-09 01:14 PM | Reply

What?!? This lady cut government spending? And on safety services to boot? No one, but no one does that...
--The DOGE Zoo Crew of Vivek and Leon, daily 6am-midnight

#10 | Posted by catdog at 2025-01-09 01:31 PM | Reply

I don't know the details, but almost EVERY government agency EVERYWHERE is loaded with waste and mismanagement. It takes a lot of courage to reduce budgets, few politicians can bear the onslaught of this type of cherry picking attack. That is why government budgets rise, and rise, and rise. I'm sure she "took food from the mouths of babies" also. I don't envy her having to deal with this disaster and I don't blame her one bit for walking off the stage when he was asked about the budget cuts.

#11 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-09 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't know the details"

Of course not.

Fixed News is not famous for providing "details". Just propaganda to fit their narratives. And propaganda Werks!

It takes a lot of courage to reduce budgets, few politicians can bear the onslaught of this type of cherry picking attack.

Not really. If you are in government to serve the public and not yourself it is easy. Especially if you are actually qualified for the job you are in.

But no worries. Trumpy has a plan to fix that.

It's called Protect 2025. You think government is filled with waste and abuse now? (I am not saying there are not any problems that need fixing as there are plenty) You think government is not responsive to the people?

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until the Party Loyalists come marching in..



#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-09 02:20 PM | Reply

Typical Faux "News" -------- from the bitter Floribama sea cow.

Go ---- yourself, Gracie. God knows you're the only one who would.

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-09 02:24 PM | Reply

If reducing a budget by 2% is "slashing"....

------- REDHAT -------.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-09 02:25 PM | Reply

Cut the fire department, and gave the worthless garbage pigs more money.

Hopefully this will give the people a good enough reason to replace this worthless mayor.

DEFUND THE POLICE.

#15 | Posted by DarkVader at 2025-01-09 03:37 PM | Reply

But WHY was it cut?

Was it because last year they had a budget increase to purchase new equipment that didn't need to be purchased again this fiscal year?

Or were there layoffs this year?

#16 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-01-09 03:44 PM | Reply

Seems like the real problem has been water pressure, rather than boots on the ground, from what I've read.
But, please, don't let reality get in the way of your perceived opportunity to bag on "those libs".

#17 | Posted by morris at 2025-01-09 06:54 PM | Reply

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass did oversee a budget adjustment that initially reduced the Los Angeles Fire Department budget by approximately $17.5 million for the 2024-2025 fiscal year. However, the full picture is more complex. The LAFD budget was reduced from $837.2 million in the 2023-2024 fiscal year to $819.64 million for 2024-2025, a cut of about $17.6 million. This reduction was part of a broader budget adjustment in response to financial constraints. Mayor Bass stated, "We knew that we were in tough times." Despite the initial cut, additional funding for the fire department was set aside in a separate fund pending contract negotiations. In November 2024, the city council approved a four-year $203 million contract with the firefighters' union to boost wages and health benefits. After the contract approval, the fire department actually saw a $53 million increase over the previous year's budget, according to a spokesperson for Los Angeles City Councilman Bob Blumenfield. The current fiscal year budget included funding to hire 220 new firefighters.

Just some more context.

abc11.com
www.latimes.com
www.foxbusiness.com

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2025-01-09 08:06 PM | Reply

Typical mouth-breathing MAGAT scum exploiting a tragedy to make political points that are nothing but lies.

#19 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-10 09:12 AM | Reply

Due to Bidenflation an increase of 7 to 10 percent per year would be needed just to maintain spending at the same level.

#20 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-01-10 10:39 AM | Reply

Idiot.

#21 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-01-10 10:43 AM | Reply

As the wildfires burned, multiple social media posts claimed Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by $17.6 million, months before the fires broke out.

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2025-01-08 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lines up nearly perfectly with the insurance companies pulling out - no pun intended.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-01-10 11:16 AM | Reply

Bummer, doubt it would have helped, but it's a bad look for sure.

Read the chief was complaining about cuts would affect training.

Well, that's how it is, good thing it went to housing migrants.

It's only a $150Billion loss for citizens.

Think of the migrant homelessness.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:27 AM | Reply

Was it because last year they had a budget increase to purchase new equipment that didn't need to be purchased again this fiscal year?
- defender of incompetence.

LA Fire Chief warned $18M budget cuts would affect response to large-scale emergencies
www.ksbw.com

I am sure Sycophant knows better than a white woman in charge.

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:32 AM | Reply

Fixed News is not famous for providing "details". Just propaganda to fit their narratives. And propaganda Werks!
- DonnerBots

Here's another one that knows more than a white woman fire chief.

#25 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:33 AM | Reply

they cut 17 million, then made a deal adding 50
million.

nice try, gracie.

#26 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:36 AM | Reply

I see Alex also doesn't think a white woman fire Chief can determine wether cuts are cuts or not.
And how they will affect training.

Rumor is a week before the fires Bass was trying to claw back that $49million.

Developing....

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:43 AM | Reply

there was a cut. then they added more.

why is this hard for oneironut to understand?

are you getting paid to be ths stupid?

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.newsweek.com

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:49 AM | Reply

" Records of the approved budget show that the LAFD's budget for the 2024-2025 fiscal year did decrease by about $17.6 million from the previous year, and the department's total annual budget was almost $820 million.

But according to Blumenfield's office, the fire department saw a $53 million increase in funding from the previous year after the budget was updated in November."

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

53 bigger than 17.6.

but oneironut would like you to know that the fire chief is a white chick. thats really important to him.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:51 AM | Reply

Serious question, Oneironaut...

Do you get tired of losing in every thread? Does your laziness sting a little?

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 11:57 AM | Reply

The budget "cut" was during negotiations with the Firefighters over pay-thus they could not accurately budget the fire department. Upon completing the agreement, the budget was adjusted to cover the new contract, resulting in a $57 million budget increase.

Magat scum are lying, no suprise.

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-01-10 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's now being reported that she sought an additional cut of $49 million.

" Leaked memo reveals LA Mayor Karen Bass demanded her fire department cut an extra $49 million just ONE WEEK before wildfires broke out trib.al"

x.com

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-10 01:54 PM | Reply

Just some more context.
#18 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

If this thread proves anything, it's that republicans have no interest in facts.

They simply vomit out whatever bullshht conservative media feeds them.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 02:09 PM | Reply

Magat scum are lying, no suprise.
#33 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

It's all they ever do.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 02:10 PM | Reply

sought and didnt happen.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 04:32 PM | Reply

Gavin Newsom Cut $100M From Fire Prevention Budget Before California Fires
www.newsweek.com

The hits just keep on coming.

#38 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:31 PM | Reply


but oneironut would like you to know that the fire chief is a white chick. thats really important to him.
#31 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Important to me? No, unlike the Lumpers gender, race don't matter to me.

Only you idiots.

#39 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:32 PM | Reply


Rumor is a week before the fires Bass was trying to claw back that $49million.
Developing....
#27 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

#34 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Yep my sources in LA are impeccable.

#40 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:33 PM | Reply

" race don't matter to me."

then why do you mention youre chinese almost every day? why do you call corky racist every day?

weirdo.

#41 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:34 PM | Reply


The budget "cut" was during negotiations with the Firefighters over pay-thus they could not accurately budget the fire department. Upon completing the agreement, the budget was adjusted to cover the new contract, resulting in a $57 million budget increase.

Magat scum are lying, no suprise.

#33 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

I am sure you know more than the LAFD Chief, believe all women.

The LAFD chief just admitted they were understaffed and budgets were cut
x.com

Go ahead, hang the woman, its what you guys do best.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:35 PM | Reply

then why do you mention youre chinese almost every day? why do you call corky racist every day?

That would be Corky, which is why I call her a racist.

Thanks for playing.

#43 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:36 PM | Reply


weirdo.
#41 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Perhaps but I am not an idiot like you and ToothHurts

#44 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:37 PM | Reply


Do you get tired of losing in every thread?

#32 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Where's the loss?

I post links, I post facts, all you guys did is make statements without evidence.

#45 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:38 PM | Reply

post 30 and 31.

have someone read them to you.

unless you want to argue that cutting 17.6 million and added 53 million is a total loss. unless thats the case, you look like a lying idiot.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:40 PM | Reply

Oneironut is like a piece of lego on the floor Christmas morning. Adults are going to painfully step on him.

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:42 PM | Reply


unless you want to argue that cutting 17.6 million and added 53 million is a total loss. unless thats the case, you look like a lying idiot.

#46 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Who should I believe "newsweek" who claimed Biden videos were DeepFakes, and the FinePeopleHoax", OR the LAFD Chief?

Its an easy choice.

#48 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:44 PM | Reply

"I post facts"

you post facts relevant to your conclusion and ignore the rest of them.

#49 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

unlike the Lumpers gender, race don't matter to me.

No?

Let see:

a white woman fire Chief can determine wether cuts are cuts or not.
POSTED BY 1LUMPYDUMPER

Here's another one that knows more than a white woman fire chief.
POSTED BY 1LUMPYDUMPER

I am sure Sycophant knows better than a white woman in charge.
POSTED BY 1LUMPYDUMPER

The LAFD is paying a woman $399,000 a year to lead its DEI bureau,
POSTED BY 1LUMPYDUMPER

You should hire Eberly to defend your stupidity.

It's what he excels at. Just ask BullBringer.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 06:45 PM | Reply

You're out of ideas Alex, you have to goto known liars for your narrative to stick.

Everything is collapsing around California and you don't have a valid source for anything, they all shot their wads.

#51 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:45 PM | Reply


you post facts relevant to your conclusion and ignore the rest of them.

#49 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Its not my conclusion its the LAFD Chiefs conclusion. When I don't know I say so, unlike you and ToothLies.

#52 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:46 PM | Reply

read it and weep:

" A spokesperson for Los Angeles City Councilmember Bob Blumenfield, who previously chaired the council's budget and finance committee, told ABC News that the updated budget in November saw a $53 million increase in the department's funding once the council took into account the department's unappropriated balance calculation."

its not "newsweek" its Bob Blumenfields office. politico is also reporting this.

LEARN SOMETHING.

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:48 PM | Reply

is cutting 17.6 million and adding 53 million a net loss?

think carefully.

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:48 PM | Reply

www.dailynews.com

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Here's another tidbit of disfunction

A reservoir in the Palisades that holds 117 million gallons of water was offline this month for previously scheduled maintenance. It was empty when the Palisades fire exploded.
x.com

Incredible.

#56 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Factcheck: Was the LAFD budget cut? No, it actually increased. Here's how.

#57 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Dailynews is that even allowed?

LOL

#58 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:50 PM | Reply


Factcheck: Was the LAFD budget cut? No, it actually increased. Here's how.

#57 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

LOL

#59 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:51 PM | Reply

liar moves on to the next shiny object.

you are incapable of learning.

#60 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:51 PM | Reply

Los Angeles City Councilmember Bob Blumenfield,

OF COURSE he's going to lie, he doesn't want any responsibility for the fiasco.

FFS Alex get a clue.

#61 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:51 PM | Reply

are the quotes real or not? or
are you gonna complain about the source?

answer the question.

#62 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:52 PM | Reply

Dailynews is that even allowed?

LOL

Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:50 PM | Reply

It's Dailynews NOT Dailymail. DUMMKOPF

#63 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-10 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" OF COURSE he's going to lie, he doesn't want any responsibility for the fiasco."

so i post facts and you call them liars.

then you post half truths and call them facts.

how is a budget cutting 17.6 million and adding 53 million a loss? i thought "asians" were good at math ...

#64 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:53 PM | Reply

Why did she send a memo in December regarding the budget being cut short?
x.com

There's was no fire? Why send the memo? There was no $53Million thats why.

The city councilman is lying plain and simple.

#65 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:54 PM | Reply

I believe a city councilman over you. all day every day.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


how is a budget cutting 17.6 million and adding 53 million a loss? i thought "asians" were good at math ...
#64 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE A

Prove it was added, BEFORE the fire.

I have never thought idiots were good with logic.

#67 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:55 PM | Reply

I believe a city councilman over you. all day every day.

Thats fine, BUT these aren't my STATEMENTS moron, they are the LAFD Chiefs statements

#68 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:56 PM | Reply

These are direct VIDEO and MEMOS the Chief has sent to the Mayor.

They aren't statements to newsweek made after the need to cover their asses.

#69 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 06:57 PM | Reply

from the la times:

" The City Council approved the firefighter raises in November, adding more than $53 million in additional salary costs. By then, the council had also signed off on $58 million for new firetrucks and other department purchases.

Once those two line items were added, the fire department's operating budget actually grew by more than 7% compared to the prior fiscal year, according to the city's financial analysts

November 2024 which is before January 2025 and the fire.

want to lose some more?

#70 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

moron.

#71 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:58 PM | Reply

" Prove it was added, BEFORE the fire."

i did.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 06:58 PM | Reply

@#56 ... Incredible. ...

And if they had not performed the needed maintenance of their infrastructure, what might your current alias be saying?

From the link cited in the X blurb (what are they called now?) ...

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded
www.latimes.com

... A large reservoir in Pacific Palisades that is part of the Los Angeles water supply system was out of use when a ferocious wildfire destroyed thousands of homes and other structures nearby, the Los Angeles Times found. ...

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday ordered an independent investigation of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power over the loss of water pressure and empty Santa Ynez Reservoir, calling it "deeply troubling."

"We need answers to how that happened," Newsom said in a letter to leaders of DWP and L.A. County Public Works. ...

Had the reservoir been operable, it would have extended water pressure in the Palisades on Tuesday night, said former DWP general manager Martin Adams, an expert on the city's water system. But only for a time.

"You still would have ended up with serious drops in pressure," Adams said in an interview Thursday. "Would Santa Ynez [Reservoir] have helped? Yes, to some extent. Would it have saved the day? I don't think so." ...



#73 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 06:58 PM | Reply

you post facts relevant to your conclusion and ignore the rest of them.
#49 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

All his posts are from X.com.

Which has been repeatedly reported to promote misinformation and propaganda.

He'd post from TruthSocial if it wasn't so obviously propaganda.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 07:00 PM | Reply

Now I am hearing the 60 firetrucks the state of Oregon sent to support the LA fires are being held up in Sacramento for emissions testing.' They likely won't pass inspection and won't be able to help...

Developing.

#75 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:01 PM | Reply

here is your ass back, dude.

its not worth anything.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now I am hearing the 60 firetrucks the state of Oregon sent ...

LAFD is doing a spectacular job and has contained most the fires.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 07:04 PM | Reply

And if they had not performed the needed maintenance of their infrastructure, what might your current alias be saying?

Your alias is saying if they didn't preform maintenance things would be worse?

LOL

#78 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:04 PM | Reply

former DWP general manager Martin Adams

Is this the guy that doesn't want to use SeaWater?

You know the head of the DWP makes $750K a year. Isn't that twice as much as POTUS?

#79 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:07 PM | Reply

LAFD should be commended. Very few people have died. They did a wonderful job.

#80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But only for a time.

Notice this isn't a direct quote, wonder why.

#81 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:08 PM | Reply

I'd keep screwing you, but necrophilia isn't my thing.

Bye.

#82 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 07:10 PM | Reply

Even Gavin Newsom is wondering why the hydrants are dry.
x.com

#83 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:11 PM | Reply


Bye.
#82 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

LOL Bye MrAlexIGotNothingButLies

#84 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 07:12 PM | Reply

i think your brain is a deepfake.

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 07:13 PM | Reply

@#75 ... Now I am hearing the 60 firetrucks the state of Oregon sent to support the LA fires are being held up in Sacramento for emissions testing.' ...

A search turned up this X blurb...

x.com

...
Those 60 engines sent yesterday to the Cali fires are not on the fire lines...yet.
opb.org
They've been ordered to submit to a DOT inspection in Sacramento that's scheduled for 4:30 pm today.
...

But the link providing in that X blurb does not mention anything about emission testing.

#86 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 07:28 PM | Reply

@#78 ... Your alias is saying if they didn't preform maintenance things would be worse? ...

No, I am saying that there is a routine scheduled maintenance, which is why the reservoir was dry.

And then there are emerging events the needs of which may run counter to a prior event.

So, please proffer a view, back when the decision was made to drain the reservoir for repairs, that the current event would be known to happen?


Sometimes hindsight is 20/20.


#87 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 07:33 PM | Reply

@#83 ... Even Gavin Newsom is wondering why the hydrants are dry ...

As he should.

There is a dry hydrants problem during a crisis.

The Governor should address that problem.

Why does this seem to be so difficult for your current alias?


#88 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 08:06 PM | Reply

At first I thought "whoa, $17.6 million is a ton of money to cut form that budget!"

Then I read the next part that it's 2% of the budget.

In the face of hurricane force driven, fast moving fires in an urban setting where fire lines can't be cut, would that $17.6 million really have made a difference?

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-10 08:49 PM | Reply

No. It's a 2% cut but the final budget added 7% over the last year.

So it's not actually a net loss.

#90 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:33 PM | Reply

"Los Angeles Fire Department Chief Kristin Crowley was fired by Mayor Karen Bass on Friday afternoon, a source close to the chief's office told DailyMail.

Kristin was summoned by Bass this afternoon, about 4pm. She came back from that meeting, hugged her staff goodbye and left. She said she was fired,' the source said."

#91 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:40 PM | Reply


So it's not actually a net loss.

#90 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

It actually is.

See here's what happened, they cut the budget by $17Million. Employee compensation remained the same, so a loss of training and equipment.
Then they negotiated the compensation for the Firemen adding more $53M.

Net loss of 17Million dollars in actual funding for training, equipment etal.

I seem to recall you mumbling about arithmetic, perhaps you should learn algebra.

#92 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:45 PM | Reply


Why does this seem to be so difficult for your current alias?
#88 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Where did that alias say its was difficult?

Why does this alias always assume what people think?

#93 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:47 PM | Reply

-17.6 + 53 = a negative number?

2% cut is better than 7& raise?

You math like ----.

#94 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:47 PM | Reply

LA mayor's office denies report fire chief was dismissed
www.goodmorningamerica.com

... The Los Angeles mayor's office said reports that LA Fire Department Chief Kristin Crowley has been fired or quit her post are false.

"The Mayor and Chief met," a statement from the office of Mayor Karen Bass said. "The priority remains fighting these fires and protecting Angelenos."

The statement came after a published report that Crowley had been fired. ...



Interesting.

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 09:47 PM | Reply

You also post like ----. Everyone here dunks on you, dude. EVERYONE.

#96 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:48 PM | Reply

LA mayor's office denies report fire chief was dismissed
www.goodmorningamerica.com

... The Los Angeles mayor's office said reports that LA Fire Department Chief Kristin Crowley has been fired or quit her post are false.
"The Mayor and Chief met," a statement from the office of Mayor Karen Bass said. "The priority remains fighting these fires and protecting Angelenos."

The statement came after a published report that Crowley had been fired. ...

Interesting.

#95 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oneironut uses bad sources.

#97 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" The City Council approved the firefighter raises in November, adding more than $53 million in additional salary costs. By then, the council had also signed off on $58 million for new firetrucks and other department purchases.

Once those two line items were added, the fire department's operating budget actually grew by more than 7% compared to the prior fiscal year, according to the city's financial analysts

LA TIMES!

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:50 PM | Reply

so a loss of training and equipment.

the council had also signed off on $58 million for new firetrucks and other department purchases.

You just make stuff up.

#99 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:51 PM | Reply

Here's a question for you Gaslighter, since you seem to think you know what people are thinking.

Why did Bass fire the LAFD Chief?
Why did NEwsom invite Trump to CA?
Why did Newsom talk to Biden after he was caught lying about talking to Biden?

Here's my guess.

The Democrat bench is shallow for a Presidential run in 2028, Newsom is really the only person on the horizon. do you know another?
The DNC is trying really hard right now to save Newsom. The LAFD Chief, and some lacky in DWP is going to go too.

Other than that no one is really going to be held responsible.

#100 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:52 PM | Reply

Why did Bass fire the LAFD Chief?

Did he?

LA mayor's office denies report fire chief was dismissed

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:53 PM | Reply

the council had also signed off on $58 million for new firetrucks and other department purchases.

Of course its in the budget that shrunk.

Just because there are new things in it doesn't mean it didn't shrink. Think man think.

There are a 100 vehicles currently not working and in need of repair, per the LAFD

#102 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:54 PM | Reply

LA mayor's office denies report fire chief was dismissed

Thats good. I know they had a meeting, I saw news that she was let go.

#103 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 09:54 PM | Reply

7& increase in budget after a 2% decrease is a net gain of 5%.

7 is greater than -2. What the ---- is wrong with you?

#104 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 09:55 PM | Reply

7 is greater than -2. What the ---- is wrong with you?
#104 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

It pretty simple really, as I stated. The gain was only in compensation.
and it was a cut in training and mechanics to work on broken equipment.

To be have nothing cut, it would have been +53Million (the new compensation package) in the budget.

It was $17M less than this.

#105 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:02 PM | Reply

Wrong. They got 58 million for new fire trucks.

#106 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-01-10 10:04 PM | Reply

I'm sure nitpicking the details of the budget means a lot to California haters.

That $17 million would have solved everything.

Money always solves all problems.

Except public education. Giving more money to public education would just end up getting wasted.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-10 10:07 PM | Reply

Wrong. They got 58 million for new fire trucks.

#106 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

What are you saying?

LAFD had a budget X
and received on top of that

$58 Million for new fire trucks

PLUS
$50 Million set aside in Nov?

And the Chief as complaining about losing $17M?

You or the Chief are ------ in the head.

#108 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:17 PM | Reply

@#103 ... I saw news that she was let go. ...

But it provided no link to that "news."

The prior links of your current alias to X blurbs (what are they called nowadays?) seem to be the source of the "news" your current alias cites.



#109 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 10:19 PM | Reply

@#105 ... To be have nothing cut, it would have been +53Million (the new compensation package) in the budget. ...

Huh?


#110 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 10:21 PM | Reply

The 58 Million for new vehicles was in the original June budget approval for vehicle replacements, NOT NEW, and its not the Nov as stated in the article.

Fire Department Vehicle Replacement 51,088,887
Fire Department Vehicles 7,333,000
clkrep.lacity.org

cityclerk.lacity.org

So seem like you're sources are incorrect.

#111 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:35 PM | Reply

"Oneironut uses bad sources."

LOL. I caught her using India Today as a source a few weeks back. Reminds me of the guy I met in Bahariya, Egypt who insisted that his foamy, orange-tinted well water was safe and healthy to drink simply because it was "bairdt" (cold).

Why people continue to interface with her is beyond me.

#112 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2025-01-10 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#105 ... To be have nothing cut, it would have been +53Million (the new compensation package) in the budget. ...
Huh?
#110 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER A

If there was no budget cut the budget would have increased +53M for compensation adjustments, because that was the total of that adjustment in NOV

But since there was a $17M cut in the budget the increase was only $36M in NOV.

According to the LAFD Chief they had to cut the department's capacity to prepare for, train for, and respond to large-scale emergencies, including wildfires, per the memo in December.

#113 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:39 PM | Reply

"Oneironut uses bad sources."

I am looking at the actual budget. What other sources are there?

#114 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I caught her using India Today as a source a few weeks back.

India Today is the most widely read english paper in India.

Whats wrong with that as a source? Its the NYT of India, why are Americans so nationalistic?

#115 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:42 PM | Reply

-Why people continue to interface with her is beyond me.

Then stay on the porch and STFU

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#113 ... If there was no budget cut ...

I have not denied that there was a budget cut. Get over that.

My concern, from the beginning of this thread (seems like eons ago), was the characterization that a 2% budget cut of the Fire Department was a drastic cut. "Slash" I believe was the word used. Since then the thread seems to be little more than lame and deflective attempts to pull the discussion away from that comment.

2% is not a drastic cut, a "slash," by any stretch of the imagination.


#117 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 10:48 PM | Reply

I have not denied that there was a budget cut. Get over that.

I never said you did, I was just stating when looked at that perspective.

was the characterization that a 2% budget cut of the Fire Department was a drastic cut.

Try cutting 2% of the the Federal Budget, and watch this place light up about the end of times.

Also it depends upon what the 2% was for.

Pilot Training - Check.
WildFire tactics - Check

Read her memo, seems relevant today.

#118 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:51 PM | Reply

Then stay on the porch and STFU

Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 10:44 PM | Reply

Quick question. Are you a Gen Xer.

#119 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-10 10:51 PM | Reply

"Then stay on the porch and STFU"

LOL- didn't realize you were such a heavy bleeder, Eb.

#120 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2025-01-10 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

-2% is not a drastic cut, a "slash," by any stretch of the imagination.

---- you

Your alias bleeds out and will continue to bleed out over cuts at the federal level much lower than 2%

.003% and your alias will bleed out.

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 10:53 PM | Reply


LOL- didn't realize you were such a heavy bleeder, Eb.
#120 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

You seem like a winner, going the female denigration path, not surprised you haven't added anything educational to this thread.

I don't ever recall interacting with you, so not sure what you mean by "caught" me.

My guess is you're a sockpuppet and you're using the wrong account; as I am learning from Corky many of those here.

#122 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 10:55 PM | Reply

@#116 ... Then stay on the porch and STFU ...

Enjoy!

Robert Earl Keen - The Front Porch Song (1988)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt ...
genius.com

...
This old porch is a big ol' red-and-white Hereford bull
Standin' under a mesquite tree in Agua Dulce, Texas
He just keeps on playin' hide-and-seek with that hot August sun
He's sweatin' and a-pantin' 'cause his work is never done, oh no
He's got them cows and that red-top cane

[Verse 2]
This old porch is a steamin' greasy plate of enchiladas
With lots of cheese and onions and a guacamole salad
You can get them at the LaSalle Hotel in old downtown
With iced tea and a waitress who will smile every time, yeah she will
I left a quarter tip on my ten dollar bill

[Verse 3]
This old porch is a palace walk-in on a Main Street in Texas
It ain't never seen or heard the days of G's and R's and X's
With the '62 poster that's almost faded down
And a screen without a picture since Giant came to town, oh no
I love them Junior Mints and them Red Hots too, yes I do, aw yeah
And old moving pictures

[Verse 4]
This old porch is just a weathered, grey-haired seventy years of Texas
He's doin' all he can not to give in to the city
And he always takes the rent late so long as I run his cattle
He picks me up at dinner time, I listen to him rattle
...


A fav tune for me.

:)

#123 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 10:55 PM | Reply

@#121 ... ---- you ...

Do try harder.

#124 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 10:57 PM | Reply

But I'll be happy to rub that 2% in your alias's face as much as I want.

#125 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 10:57 PM | Reply

But I'll be happy to rub that 2% in your alias's face as much as I want.

Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 10:57 PM | Reply

I much prefer raw milk. That 2% is too watery. Thank You very much.

#126 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-10 10:59 PM | Reply

-My guess is you're a sockpuppet

I might be confusing him with some other ankle biter but isn't he a Nazi?

#127 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:00 PM | Reply

-Are you a Gen Xer.

Yes

#128 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:00 PM | Reply

#117 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

How does any of this post by your alias make any sense to the "huh?" I was responding to. Seem discontinuous, but I'll let you sort out how they are interrelated.

#129 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:01 PM | Reply

I might be confusing him with some other ankle biter but isn't he a Nazi?

#127 | POSTED BY EBERLY

He's a Nazi? Are you saying he's a Trumper? Makes sense given the woman hating nature.

#130 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:02 PM | Reply

Are you a Gen Xer.

Yes

Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:00 PM | Reply

Thought so. Wasn't sure though. The last feral generation. The FAFO generation. The generation before everyone became soft.

#131 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-01-10 11:04 PM | Reply

@#118 ... Try cutting 2% of the the Federal Budget, and watch this place light up about the end of times. ...

Maybe, maybe not.

... Also it depends upon what the 2% was for. ...

Yeah, now, finally, your current alias seems to be gaining an understanding.

In my view, can DOGE suggesttwaste to cut in the Federal budget?

Absolutely.

In my view, the Federal budget should be examined at least yearly, maybe even more frequently.

But, should that examination be done for political purposes, as DOGE seems to be suggesting?

Absolutely not.


So, hey, your current alias and I may agree on this?

#132 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:04 PM | Reply

-Maybe, maybe not.

No, not maybe. 100% probability

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:05 PM | Reply

@#133 ... No, not maybe. 100% probability ...

I disagree.

But I have to ask why your alias seems to be intent upon deflecting this thread away from it's topic?

#134 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:11 PM | Reply

134

Because your alias is a douchebag

Maybe use another alias.

#135 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:15 PM | Reply

Maybe, maybe not.

You're full of gas

#136 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:24 PM | Reply


In my view, can DOGE suggesttwaste to cut in the Federal budget?

Absolutely.

I doubt it. I am sure it can find that 30%, everyone can, but cutting it, no one can do that.

Do you even understand how your American system works. It takes Congress, and after that it will be lawyers by the time thats over, Trump will be gone and things will go back to normal after a Democrat takes office again.

#137 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:28 PM | Reply

-So, hey, your current alias and I may agree on this?

You desperately want to-------- his alias.

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:28 PM | Reply


The generation before everyone became soft.
#131 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Hey I resemble that remark!

#139 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:29 PM | Reply


You desperately want to-------- his alias.
#138 | POSTED BY EBERLY

My alias is taken.

#140 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:30 PM | Reply

@#135, 136

(I tie your two current aliases together in this reply because they seem to be workig together of late. Desperation or coordination? I do not know.)

So, your current aliases have nothing to counter what I have said besides attempted insults.

And those attempted insults seem to endeavor to justify their viewpoints, how?

#141 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:35 PM | Reply

@#138 ... You desperately want to-------- his alias. ...

Ya got nothing.

Good to know.

#142 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:36 PM | Reply

-So, your current aliases have nothing to counter what I have said besides attempted insults.

We're countering your alias's douchebaggery with more of the same.

#143 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:38 PM | Reply

@#140your current alias has framed it in that ... My alias is taken. ...

Interesting admission.

So, another person could not take that alias.

Yeah, no surprise.

But curious that aspect.

Hmmmm .

:)

#144 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:38 PM | Reply

-Ya got nothing.

So it's a tie

Good to know

#145 | Posted by eberly at 2025-01-10 11:38 PM | Reply

@#145 ... So it's a tie ...

Not really.

But if that is how your current alias wants to bow out of this conversation, go for it.


#146 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-10 11:46 PM | Reply

So, your current aliases have nothing to counter what I have said besides attempted insults.

I made a perfectly valid reply to your Doge thinking, did you reply in any intelligent response? nope.

But this is what I notice with your alisas, it asks questions get answers and instead of responding to the answers the alias asks more non-sequiter questions.

One can only assume this alias is paid to post, and troll us to get more posts. I don't mind, but I would imagine the person behind the alias have to feel pretty ------ about himself to do that.

#147 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-01-10 11:56 PM | Reply

@#147 ... I made a perfectly valid reply to your Doge thinking, ...

OK, I may have missed that.

Maybe, as a suggestion, do try to include URL references in your current alias' comments?

thx.


That aside ...

... But this is what I notice with your alisas, it asks questions get answers and instead of responding to the answers the alias asks more non-sequiter questions. ...

Yeah, your current alias seems to overlook the part that the answers I get do not seem to answer the question I asked.

So I then ask a follow-up question.


Stated differently, why the apparent deflection attempts of your current alias?


#148 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-11 12:12 AM | Reply

Fires are not new to SOCAL. I lived in SD when I was younger. I remember driving up to LA one night, and the hills on both sides of I-5 were burning.

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2025-01-11 06:14 AM | Reply

When I was a kid, back when B. Mitchell Reed was a top LA disc jockey and Jan & Dean were cool, my family lived in La Canada (now La Canada Flintridge), over in Eaton Fire territory. We were in the north, up against the foothills of the San Gabriels, and it seems in my memory like a fairly regular (annual?) occurrence: the wildfires burning a block or two farther north, huge flames. We had a drill as to who was going to grab what on their way out the door. Never had to do it, but feel for those folks.

#150 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-01-11 07:12 AM | Reply

L.A. has two seasons, Fire and Flood. Every year it burns somewhere. It was Palisades turn, that's all. California does a lazy job containing and rationing water. When they rebuild, maybe they'll learn something about homebuilding and firefighting. I doubt it. How would lawyers make money if there were no lawsuits? That's the next firestorm that is on the horizon.

#151 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-11 09:33 AM | Reply

You just make stuff up.

#99 | Posted by Alexandrite

I wondered what that loud sound was last night.

Apparently, it was oneironshortbus betting the b*&^% slapped out of him.

Why that idiot even bothers to open his mouth is beyond me.

#152 | Posted by jpw at 2025-01-11 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"After these fires wind down, we gotta sue the ---- outta Santa Ana."

-LA residents

#153 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2025-01-11 11:06 AM | Reply

Does anyone know if Legally was burned alive?

#154 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2025-01-11 12:18 PM | Reply

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