Minutes later, Rep. Dave Pinto, DFL-St. Paul, the committee co-chair, compared blaming higher work pay for causing higher prices to the impact shoplifting has on higher prices. He started by mentioning a presentation on the impact of organized retail theft he'd heard in a public safety committee the day before. "There was a presentation of a group seeking to change how we address organized retail theft," he said. "And it actually had not occurred to me to ask, it probably would have been good, to make sure that they would study the benefit of shoplifting and of retail theft. Because perhaps people are relying on that and using that, and maybe it's assisting them in some way."