Thursday, August 21, 2025

Negative time measured

We now know negative time isn't just theoretical " it's measurable, real, and perfectly consistent with physics. It is not the kind that lets you change the past.

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... It is not the kind that lets you change the past. ...

So... it is not really "negative time?"

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-21 12:46 AM

#1 | Posted by LampLighter

Step 1: We can now measure negative time. That makes it real.

Step 2: Profit!

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-08-21 01:01 AM

@#2 ... We can now measure negative time. That makes it real. ...

From the cited article ...

... When a pulse of light traverses a material, it incurs a time delay referred to as the group delay. Should the group delay experienced by photons be attributed to the time they spend as atomic excitations?

However reasonable this connection may seem, it appears problematic when the frequency of the light is close to the atomic resonance, as the group delay becomes negative in this regime. To address this question, we use the cross-Kerr effect to probe the degree of atomic excitation caused by a resonant transmitted photon, by measuring the phase shift on a separate beam that is weak and off-resonant.

Our results, over a range of pulse durations and optical depths, are consistent with the recent theoretical prediction that the mean atomic excitation time caused by a transmitted photon (as measured via the time integral of the observed phase shift) equals the group delay experienced by the light. Specifically, we measure mean atomic excitation times ranging from ('0.820.31)0 for the most narrowband pulse to (0.540.28)0 for the most broadband pulse, where 0 is the non-post-selected excitation time, given by the scattering (absorption) probability multiplied by the atomic lifetime sp.

These results suggest that negative values taken by times such as the group delay have more physical significance than has generally been appreciated.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-21 01:12 AM

@#3 ... These results suggest that negative values taken by times such as the group delay have more physical significance than has generally been appreciated. ...

That would be an awesome advance, if it proves to be true, beyond just the "suggest[ion]" the article states.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-21 01:15 AM

It's the last line that did it for me: "have more physical significance than has generally been appreciated."

He sounds like a researcher in a horror novel. "Do not be so naive as to believe that the bulk of light and matter walks alone."

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-08-21 01:20 AM

Only he's peer reviewed, and it's in arxiv.

#6 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-08-21 01:29 AM

@#6 ... Only he's peer reviewed ...

I've not seen that. Got links?

... it's in arxiv ...

arxiv.org

... arXiv is a free distribution service and an open-access archive for nearly 2.4 million scholarly articles in the fields of physics, mathematics, computer science, quantitative biology, quantitative finance, statistics, electrical engineering and systems science, and economics.

Materials on this site are not peer-reviewed by arXiv. ...




#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-21 01:50 AM

So I'm talking to Grok about this over breakfast.

Observation: When photons pass through a medium, they can appear to exit before entering, resulting in a negative group delay. The researchers argue this is a real physical phenomenon, not just a mathematical artifact. Photons exist in multiple states simultaneously, leading to probabilistic outcomes that can include negative temporal values.

The recent experiment offers compelling evidence for negative time as a quantum phenomenon, where photons appear to spend a negative duration as atomic excitations.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-08-21 06:11 AM

Or you could just put instant coffee in a microwave.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-08-21 08:24 AM

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