Wednesday, November 19, 2025

Trump's New Epstein Distraction, er, Ukraine Peace Deal

A new Trump-backed proposal to end the war in Ukraine would grant Russia expanded control over eastern territories in exchange for U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine and Europe.

The plan, outlined in 28 points, has sparked sharp debate among officials in Kyiv, Washington, and Moscow, with mediation efforts involving Qatar and Turkey adding further intrigue.

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Russia would gain full control of Luhansk and Donetsk, though Ukraine still holds about 14.5% of the Donbas.

Demilitarized zones in parts of Donbas would bar Russian troop deployments.

Crimea and Donbas would be recognized internationally as Russian territory, though Ukraine would not be formally asked to accept this.

Ukrainian officials say the plan limits Kyiv's military size and long-range weapons in exchange for U.S. security guarantees.

Qatar and Turkey are actively involved in mediation, with senior officials participating in talks.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Moscow remains open to negotiations, blaming Kyiv for the pause in talks.

Planned trilateral talks in Ankara were postponed as Zelensky sought broader European involvement and faced domestic political turmoil.

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The best source on this is actually Politico Playbook, but the link is paywalled.

here is the article on YT though:

www.youtube.com

about 3 min in "Trump Sucks Up to Russia Again"

Of course, there's no way Ukraine could possibly trust 'US Security Guarantees' with Vlad's Poodle in the WH.


#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-19 07:14 PM

exchange for U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine and Europe.

LOL. "guarantees". From the U.S.? That's funny.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-11-19 07:16 PM

So, Pres Trump continues in his support of Ukraine surrendering to Pres Putin?

... in exchange for U.S. security guarantees for Ukraine and Europe. ...

So... now he seems to be saying that it is OK for Ukraine to join NATO?


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-19 07:22 PM

So... now he seems to be saying that it is OK for Ukraine to join NATO?

#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Not at all.

Trump plans to send $2000 to every Ukrainian and let them negotiate their own security arrangements.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2025-11-19 07:53 PM

@#4

This song just popped up on a playlist here as I read your comment ...

Riders on the Storm
en.wikipedia.org

... "Riders on the Storm" is a song by American rock band the Doors, released in June 1971 by Elektra Records as the second single from the band's sixth studio album, L.A. Woman. It is known for being the last song that Jim Morrison recorded prior to his sudden death in Paris on July 3, 1971. ...

The lyrics were written and brought to rehearsal by Morrison, of which a portion of it refers to hitchhiking killer Billy "Cockeyed" Cook, who was the subject of the 1953 film, The Hitch-Hiker.[9] Manzarek noted that some lines express Morrison's love to his companion Pamela Courson.[15] ...

Heidegger's influenceSpeaking with Krieger and Manzarek, the German philosopher Thomas Collmer argued that the line "Into this world we're thrown" recalls philosopher Martin Heidegger's concept of "thrownness" -- human existence as a basic state. ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-19 08:04 PM

Forgot to add ..

Doors - Riders on the Storm (1971)
www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-19 08:09 PM

@#4 ... Trump plans to send $2000 to every Ukrainian and let them negotiate their own security arrangements. ...

Yeah, that seems to be Pres Trump's current placebo for the problems he has cuased.

Send out checks ...

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-19 09:05 PM

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