"... what he says to people who are thinking about not voting."

go to the 14 min mark to see what Bernie says about why his supporters should not refuse to vote for Joe Biden

Perhaps more of his supporters could follow his lead.... for a change.

Maybe he'll be the Crying Proud Boy.

- Yeah because moderate indies choose based on manners.

You want to see some Undecideds deciding?

There aren't many voters for him to win over; only about 2 percent undecided in swing states BEFORE this sh9t show.

And he's a lot more than that behind. Now he's really depending on Vlad and the his Post Office appointment, and maybe his SC appointments, to come through for him.

lmao... Trump spent most of the night trying to link Biden to Bernie so he could yell, "SOSH'LIST COMMIE!".

Imagine how happy he would have been had Bernie actually been there.

Dems need moderate Indies to win this election, and now they might just get them.

#75

And.... the voters still disagree with you; on the debate, just like in the primarieS.

- Turns out my bias reflected the voters much better than yours did in 2016.

#62 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Really? Bernie won the Dem Primary?

And the 2020 primary?

AND he beat Trump in the debate last night?

Wowser!

- You know it's true.

Voters don't share your need for bias confirmation.

"Who Won The First 2020 Presidential Debate?
We partnered with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates took the stage.

The topline is clear: Americans were not impressed with the president's performance.

Debate watchers were pretty decisive in their verdict of last night's performances: Only about one-third said Trump's performance was "somewhat good" or "very good," and 50 percent said it was "very poor."

Biden's performance was more positively received, with around 60 percent saying they thought he performed well. Respondents gave more mixed grades on how they thought the candidates outlined their policies, but Biden received better marks here, too:

Almost 60 percent said they thought his policies were "somewhat good" or "very good," compared to about 40 percent who said
the same for Trump."

"Going into the debate, each candidate's supporters were already overwhelmingly likely to say they were going to vote, and last night's debate didn't change that."

"Americans' negative opinion of the president's debate performance did not improve an already poor impression of Trump. Going into the debate, more people had a negative opinion of Trump, but after the debate, the gap between Biden and Trump's net favorability (favorable rating minus unfavorable rating) grew even larger, from 26 points to 33 points."

In this poll, it was 55-40 with Biden winning.

In money where your mouth is betting:

"We're now over a month away from the election and Joe Biden's lead is the largest it has been since the middle of August, a great time to be pulling away," said Pete Watt, spokesman for Oddschecker, an odds comparison and insight service, which is compiling a long-term, data-driven project around political betting markets for the U.S. presidential election.

"Since Tuesday night, Biden's odds have shortened from -125 to -140, while Trump's have lengthened from +120 to +138. Put simply, this means that Biden's implied probability has risen from 55.6% to 58.3%, while Trump's has dropped from 45.5% to 42.10%."

Another U.K. betting exchange, Smarkets, said Biden's chances of winning the White House rose by 5% after Tuesday's debate."

#56

Trump appreciates your support.

I, and others here watched, the Indies focus group at the LA Times, and almost to a person they hated Trump's performance, even those leaning his way, and cited Biden as presidential and competent.

And undecided voters in swing states are just @ 2 percent of the vote, anyway. If Trump got all of them, it still wouldn't be enough.

Mac Davis, Helen Reddy... who's going to be #3?

No one, I hope.

A moving anthem for the women's movement back when I was in college.

"Delta Dawn" is an apropos song for today...

Didn't Trump want an electronics inspection right before the debate?

That's all it takes to justify some his nutjob's paranoia.

Presumably the electronics were developed in the basement of a pizza parlor.

- the VP debate next week.

Pence may never figure out what hits him.

As to this story...

"Inconvievable!" - the usual myth bombers

Hope your niece regains her health, Gal.

My mother was diagnosed with pneumonia at age 19. They had already ordered her casket and flowers, but she survived and had me two years later. As it turned out, it wasn't pneumonia at all. Fifty years later she died of the lung damage done by the avian flu which my father carried home unknowingly from being stationed in Hawaii in WWII.

The Zombie Charlton Heston is available and willing, rusty old gun still stuck in his hands.

- I believe he lost ground from the undecideds

I watched former Repub pollster Frank Luntz, now with the LA TIMES, with his Undecideds group talking for an hour after the debate, and I think you are right.

One of them described debating Trump as, "Arguing with a crackhead".

Of course, today he spun it as they were now inclined not to vote for at all, but that is NOT what happened during the session.

#217

Link is really interesting.. It's Frank Luntz and a bunch of mostly undecided Indies werking through their decision.

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