"I was saying how I felt that was a disaster in the making."

Because Trump lost.

No claims of improper or stolen votes. No one coming forward with a gripe. No disaster there. Just ... a Trump loss.

And if it was because more minorities got a chance to participate?

TOTAL disaster, amirite?

"I believe were it not for using mail-in ballots, the Capitol break-in would not have occurred. "

You're an idiot; Trump would've chosen a different ruse, and today you'd be bitching about Michigan electors instead.

Truth is, Trump knew he lost, and lied to supporters like you. I know you want to believe him, but if he had any proof, he and his team would've certainly presented it inside of a courtroom.

And at long last, you have no reason for why they haven't.

That means you can't handle the truth.

"Jan 6 proved me right."

I used to think you were dumb. Based on the last two weeks, now I think you're a moron.

You still can't address the fact you have no proof at all of your theory mail-in ballots get purloined by housemates. Almost six years, zero cases.

You've also misrepresented a study, and when faced with the authors warning morons not to come to your conclusion, you doubled down and suggested the authors didn't understand their own study as well as you did.

Now you're suggesting January 6 proved some cockamamie theory of yours, something other than Trump lied to his acolytes, knowing he'd lost.

Dumb just keeps getting dumber.

"Jan 6 proved me right.

When are you going to provide the first piece of evidence inside a court of law? So far, six years later, zero.

All that's been proven, is folks are gullible and Trump is a liar.

"Remember when you railed against the mail-in ballots before Covid?

"A month before the 2020 election"

No, I mean before that.

Never.

Since you're too much of a coward to directly answer, I'll answer for you.

No, you don't believe only Democrats cheat.
No, you don't believe only Republicans cheat.
Despite the facts at the staunch right wing Heritage Foundation's website, you believe Democrats cheat more than Republicans. A lot more than Republicans. 25% more, or 40%, or 50% more.

Okay I'll take you at 50%. That means for every 1000 actions of Republican fraud, Democrats commit 1500 actions. I know that flies in the face of the heritage foundation, but I'm willing to pretend, to show you the math.

Do you know what that math means? When one group commits 50% MORE infractions than the other??

It means for every five instances of fraud, you net one vote. ONE.

950 instances of fraud? Less than 200 net votes.

And in all 950 cases, the threat of a $10,000 fine and a year in jail.

Who is that stupid???

" ... it is apparent you believe democrats have the advantage with mail-in ballots."

It's even more apparent that's the sole reason you dislike them.

Remember when you railed against the mail-in ballots before Covid?

No one else does either.

"I'm not saying I agree that people should be prevented from voting."

You want your own limits on absentee ballots. You're trying to tell other people how they're allowed to vote.

Again, not your business. Not mine either. Every legal voter who wants to cast a legal vote should be able to choose whichever way is most convenient for them.

"Earlier you said as follows, "You're just afraid universal mail-in ballots would allow folks you don't want to vote, to vote."

"Who might those people be? Assuming I am supporting the republican side, that makes the other side democrat."

Yes. I guess so.

And they also happen to be ... surprise, surprise ... in large part, minorities.

You know the funny thing? Republicans absolutely loved mail-in ballots, when they always favored Republicans. It was only once they began favoring Democrats the mail suddenly became dangerous.

"I am referring to very specific methods of cheating available with mail-in ballots that are mailed to homes"

If there were 10,000 cases of a household member stealing a mail-in ballot, what's the absolute minimum number of people who'd come forward to squawk after a close election?

"If the methods of cheating with mail-in ballots are being used by anyone, it doesn't appear republicans are doing it very well."

Based on what sources?

Because the staunch right-wing Heritage Foundation's Vote Fraud website tells a completely different story: Republicans seem to excel!

But I'm willing to pretend otherwise; just give me the percentage you believe Democrats do it more than Republicans.

"Did you not say mail-in ballots benefit democrats more than republicans?"

No, I said that both sides have equal opportunities, and ask you to give me a percentage you thought one side did it more than the other.

Why can't you answer simple questions?

"I am not talking about anything else. Only methods of cheating available with mail-in ballots."

OK.

Just regarding the cheating and mailing ballots ... Answer my direct questions.

"Your accusations of who cheats the most historically should be taken with caution considering your propensity for out and out lying."

Go --- yourself, dum---. I've studied the Heritage foundation website. You purposefully remain ignorant on the subject for fear your lies will be exposed.

And now, you're too much of a coward to directly answer my direct questions. GFY.

"Mail-in ballots provide an easier way for democrats to cheat."

No more or less than Republicans.

"Mail-in ballots provide an easier way for democrats to cheat"

Historically, Republicans cheat much more than Democrats. Check out the heritage foundation vote fraud site for proof.

Let me ask some serious questions. Do you believe only Democrats cheat? Do you believe Republicans cheat at all? Do you believe they both cheat the same rate? Do you believe one or the other cheats at a 10% greater rate than the other? 20% greater rate than the other? 25%? 40%? 50%? You tell me. I'll go with whatever number you choose.

And then I'll show you where your math is screwed up.

Are you brave enough to actually answer my questions?

" Did the people who voted in 2020 with ballots mailed to them successfully vote in previous elections? I would bet they did."

I would, too. Is there a point?

Are those the only ones who were supposed to be allowed this time around?

" At a certain, that sort of thinking is simply paranoia"

Or an observation, that you always seem to want to narrow those folks' opportunities.

You're just afraid universal mail-in ballots would allow folks you don't want to vote, to vote.

Just admit it, and be done with it.

" There are many other factors that must be taken into consideration equally if not more important than trying to accommodate every single person."

They are already being tended to.

Back to the central question: should everyone get to choose their favorite way to participate in the voting process?

Or should you get to decide everyone else's allowed way to vote?

" Assuming they were eligible voters and wanted to vote, were they being suppressed in any way simply because a ballot wasn't mailed to their house?"

If they'd prefer to vote that way, yes.

If they've requested it and it's been denied, yes.

If you get to tell them they don't get to vote that way ... Yes.

Any more questions about vote suppression?

" There are many other factors that must be taken into consideration equally if not more important than trying to accommodate every single person."

Like their skin color, country of origin, or religion, right?

" now people are saying they are being suppressed if ballots aren't mailed to everyone's houses."

No, Bill ... They're just saying folks are being suppressed if they want a mail in ballot, and people like you tell them they can't have one, because you can only have it for certain reasons that you have decided, and their particular reason doesn't count.

And yes, your demands are that petty.

In your world, not wanting to wait four hours in line to cast a vote isn't enough of a reason.

And, truth be told, folks like you make other folks stand in line for four hours FOR a reason.

" Assuming they were eligible voters and wanted to vote, were they being suppressed in any way simply because a ballot wasn't mailed to their house?"

I believe a voter is being suppressed every time you get to tell them how they can vote. It's none of your business. Or mine, for that matter. If they want to vote absentee, or mail in, or in person, all fine. And as long as they cast the vote by the end of the voting day (including at a post office, which has always counted in the past) the vote should count ... Even if it takes two or three or five days to deliver. More reason to make sure the Postal Service remains a ... what's that word? Oh, right... a SERVICE.

"I have plausible deniability,"

Duuuude.

You've admitted writing a check to a company you assumed was bogus.

You've admitted knowing it would likely abet others breaking the law.

You've admitted failing to comply with IRS laws, possibly including Employment laws (which gets VERY expensive, VERY fast).

You don't have an ounce of plausible deniability.

" 2020 had unique circumstances which I will not attempt to explain to you."

Bill means minorities got to participate in ways he's determined to prevent going forward.

Remind everyone, Bill: do you believe it should be made easier for the legal voter to cast her or his legal vote, or harder for the legal voter to cast their legal vote?

" Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon is calling on administration officials to issue a national emergency declaration regarding election integrity"

Not that they have anything to point to.

The "emergency" is them possibly losing the election.

"And (the Union's) formation represent more the shortcomings of management "

Absolutely.

The first time I saw 8 different 70+ page handbooks Actor's Equity had for our local theatres, I thought, How TF can any business run with all these rules?!?

Before long, I leaned why: the rulebook is just a compendium of bad behavior by producers. Nothing is pro-active. Nobody sits around and decides they need mink-covered seats. It's all REACTIVE.

There's a rule about temperatures, because some idiot producer thought 95 in the summer and 35 in the winter were acceptable.

There's a rule about stage flooring for dancers...because some producer thought a concrete floor for 12 hrs (plus overtime) wouldn't give the dancers shin splints.

And there's a rule about backstage bathrooms...any guesses why?

"The rich of course they use legit companies, because they have to, they have "accountants"."

ALWAYS a great reason to break the law. Always.

"Do you think Juan has a Bank of America business account? of course not."

Do you think that excuses you from getting his Social Security number before paying him $600 or more?

"I pay him with a check, under "juans landscaping""

Okay, so you're doing the right thing...unless you pay him more than $600 in the year.

"he takes the check to a check cashing office and cashes the check. He pays his guys, they don't care, he doesn't care and I don't care."

And you're right: what they do is THEIR choice. And you've got enough do deal with having already broken the law.

" Only stupid people think laws by themselves stop evasion."

You're right. It also takes character, which in this case, usually costs MONEY. And that's when you get to make the decision to follow the law, or break the law.

I have plausible deniability"

Try that in front of the IRS.

"Juan has work for his rotating crew, the cash checker gets his cut."

If the cash checker has done his job, that's legal. Juan cashing a check YOU WROTE is legal. You not reporting on a 1099 IS NOT LEGAL.

"And Danforth is wondering why the IRS isn't getting a 1099."

Oh, no...I know EXACTLY why. You find it cheaper to break the law.

"I'll end it with you think laws stop people, they don't especially when you don't enforce them."

I agree: you should be prosecuted by the IRS.

"The only time I see in America that laws get enforced is when one party doesn't like what the other is doing."

Odd. I haven't seen that In my 40 years of practice. What DID stun me, however, was the mere IDEA that ANYONE would get future immunity from IRS audits. NEVER HEARD of it.

"The system was here before I came"

No excuse at all. Aren't you supposed to be here to make it BETTER?

"people like you and the Lumpers defend illegal immigration to no end."

Hey Slurper, don't lump me into a group I've never joined. That's a lazy accusation at best, and a convenient lie at worst.

" You can blame me, but I feel no remorse or guilt"

Of course you don't. You don't have the character to take responsibility for your chosen actions.

" it's not my fault this person is available to work on my yard, the whole neighborhood hires the guy."

What a riot: that "the other guy was speeding" defense will get you thrown out of TRAFFIC court.

"...don't complain when I use it"

Well, don't complain when I turn you in.

Fair enough?

"Unions seemed to play a good and needed role before the government took over their roles (OSHA work laws)."

Bwahahahahahaahahahahahaha! (snort) Bwahahahahaha!

You're joking, right? Right???

I worked with Unions for over four decades. I chaired the committee to update our Local's Constitution and was the lead author.

OSHA was half a page, maybe, in a 78-page rulebook.

"Republicans have been stealing social security, stealing health care, stealing school lunches and pushing grandma over a cliff my entire life."

Yes...and?
~Math