"In this day and age, you must say what you think plainly because people speak in codes."

And people tend to think the worst of each other. I guess "I wish they wouldn't burn down their city" is seen as rightwing code for blaming the protesters.

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Heaven forbid someone from the left wing blame the protesters in plain language for burning down their city.

What difference does it make if their protest is legitimate?
Please explain yourself.
#49 | Posted by snoofy

If their protest is legitimate they are not subject to contact tracing for breaking quarantine?

Thank you for your reply, 'Notch; and please overlook my naughty use of the words "even you." :>P
#222 | Posted by madscientist

NO. Thank YOU for thanking me.

This site could use a couple dozen gentlemen or gentlewomen cut from your very same cloth. Blessed be the loins that shot forth such fruit as you!

Tell true -- do you think the long arm of today's executive order will reach into the nether regions of RCade's wretched domain? And if so, what will that arm's probe bring forth?

Do you think treating RCade's pale yellow page not as a platform but as a publisher can yield more balanced discourse, such as we saw here more than a decade ago during the Bush years? One can hope so, can't one? Would that it were so! The likes of Snoofy and DBoy were considered such minor minds back then -- common circle jerks fit merely to tissue each other's bums . Now, they are propped up front on the flagship, lobotomized wreck that it is. O, woe that this octave of scheming censorship hath wrought!

You, Shirley, must concur that simply re-opening the DR Archives pages would be quite the 1st Amendment treat. Affirm here and now that you will fight for it with me!

Dix. You're just trolling. Stop. People are trying to have a discussion.
#217 | Posted by BruceBanner

Do try to be civil, chap.

I'm discussing the sentiments Sentinel was voicing regarding the relative efficacy of the rioting and looting versus working within the legal system.

This particular case would be a greater lever for lasting change if it were not associated with looting and burning Arby's.

dix, you realize President Zero reauthorized the Patriot Act, don't you?

#207 | Posted by truthhurts

Of course. You love the Patriot Act now, do you?

Americans simply aren't supposed to be spied on without a warrant.

The DOJ's IG report on the FISA courts found that not a single warrant application brought before the secret courts was done following the protections American citizens are due.

Say no to secret courts. Bad cops, bad judges, bad lawmakers. ---- em all.

"I don't see Trumpers burning down buildings, looting and rioting."
No, just murdering a man.
Apparently that's not as bad.
#209 | Posted by snoofy

I haven't seen anyone promote murdering the man. I'm sure you're trying to cherry pick right now, but you won't find much.

"The FBI, CIA, DOJ and intelligence agencies in general are loaded with bad actors who use illegal surveillance to control lawmakers from both parties."

And the weather?
Do they control the weather too?
#210 | Posted by snoofy

You don't get out much. Read more.

It's so cute that you think a man like Trump would have that intention.
#211 | Posted by jpw

You project onto Trump that he wants to burn the system down, when it is you that wants to burn it down.

You seem to have the same mentality right now as many Trumpers who want to burn the system completely down in the naive belief that it would be better if we started over from scratch.
#171 | Posted by sentinel

Trump is actually enduring the surveillance state system in an exemplary manner in his efforts to reform the system. FISA abuse was preceded by years of unchecked illegal surveillance by Snowden level contractors. Clapper admitted back in 2012 to spying on the Senate. No doubt the illegal surveillance precedes even the Patriot Act of 2001.

The FBI, CIA, DOJ and intelligence agencies in general are loaded with bad actors who use illegal surveillance to control lawmakers from both parties. The recently released testimony regarding the Russian Collusion farce shows that politicians from both parties claimed in public there was evidence while they admitted privately under oath that there was no evidence that they hadn't fabricated. The Special Counsel wielded obstruction of justice charges as a bludgeon to keep in line any who might speak the truth about the testimony that had been collected.

I remember when Retorters used to be opposed to the fascist surveillance state, years ago. Now Retorters are desperate to support whatever fascist tools the deep state can create in order to keep powers that Retorters claim to detest.

I don't see Trumpers burning down buildings, looting and rioting. Trump has taken the worst the system can throw at him so far, and seems to have a chance at turning the tables while working within the system.

I do see Trumpers supporting gutting the system of personnel who don't think twice about grifting off American citizens' private information.

Reforming the system to protect the constitutional freedoms of American citizens is the opposite of burning the system down, unless you think the DNC and RNC and their long term, pernicious illegal surveillance are the system that should be protected.

'Notch, surely even you wouldn't accept these cops' conduct.
#117 | Posted by madscientist

Mad, my brother from another mother, you know I'm the most even tempered fella here. I just go where the evidence goes. You know I'm color blind and just like to be right. Where lines are blurred I call 'em blurred. I'll ignore your offensive snark as the price one must pay to attempt civil discourse on this site.

All evidence I've seen to date in this case says cop(s) screwed up royally going for the unconscious variation of their barbaric knee-to-neck restraint. Heinous conduct, especially at the end of this man's life.

One piece of evidence I haven't seen or read is why the cops even had him on the ground at all. There is a discontinuity in the video evidence. All the video I've seen before he was subdued on the ground didn't even appear to justify a struggle.

How this arrest went from routine (walking) to grotesque (on the ground) escapes me. Do you know why he was taken to the ground?

No matter what he might have done to get taken to the ground, the extended knee-to-neck hold was heinous, as was the lack of medical care after he was rendered unconscious.

The rioting and looting at major retailers doesn't hold any appeal. I doubt attacking the police station is going to make the neighborhood more business and family friendly as well.

We'll see, won't we?

we STILL have to wash our hands. Good luck!
#150 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Especially after DIX-NOTCH is done.
#152 | Posted by rstybeach11

No worries, either direction.

I'm taking HCQ and zinc. All the world leaders are.