Unless I did the maths wrong.

"You got a link for that? My link says you're off by an order of magnitude."

It was in the link I provided.

"And no one had doubts about the need to protect health care workers. More than 240,000 health care workers have been infected with coronavirus and 858 have died, the CDC says."

858/240000=0.003575

Here is what traditional "socialists" had to say about the democratic "socialists" Green New Deal:

"The Green New Deal is not a program to address the urgent social needs of working people in the US. It is a hollow slogan and grab-bag of demands meant to divert the growing struggle of the working class into the dead end of the Democratic Party. The solution to climate change, along with social inequality, poverty and the growing threat of dictatorship and war, is the revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist system, both in the US and internationally."

"Many of the folks mocking him voted for Joe Biden and would have never supported Bernie."

That's because when politicians invoke "socialism," they're (maybe unintentionally) invoking a system that has plunged otherwise successful countries into authoritarianism and economic despair.

...and politicians and other prominent citizens can still have indoor parties at exclusive restaurants like The French Laundry, right?

I mean...that would be a bit extreme.

Uhh..., the National Popular Vote Compact would not "abolish" the EC. The states already have the ability to determine how the votes are allocated...most just choose to give them to the winner of the state. The exceptions being Nebraska and Maine, which vote proportionally.

But the electoral college will continue to exist until the constitution is amended to eliminate it.

Are these guys socialist?

The Socialist Equality Party (United States)

"Capitalism has failed in the United States and the entire world. The Socialist Equality Party is organizing the working class in the fight for socialism: the reorganization of all of economic life to serve social needs, not private profit.

Socialism means the abolition of all forms of inequality and exploitation. The fight for socialism is at the same time a fight against war, authoritarianism, environmental degradation and all the consequences of capitalist society.

Socialism must be fought for and won by the working class itself. It will be achieved only through a revolutionary movement that has as its aim the establishment of workers' power.

Socialism, moreover, cannot be realized in one country. All the great problems confronting mankind are global problems that require global solutions.

The fight for socialism, therefore, requires the unity and collaboration of workers in every country on the basis of a common program and perspective. The Socialist Equality Party works in political solidarity with the International Committee of the Fourth International, the World Party of Socialist Revolution founded by Leon Trotsky in 1938."

If you were an average American and you read this commentary, how do you think it would be viewed? Positively or negatively?

Anyone?

"The military is a well funded branch of the government. Paid and maintained by our taxes."

Which is why, 100%, it isn't socialist.

Without capitalism, it wouldn't exist.

Something brought to you by capitalism is inherently anti-socialist.

"While Bernie gets mocked and ignored for suggesting our taxes should provide the people of this nation with national healthcare and public education beyond K-12."

Bernie got mocked because he called himself a "socialist."

Technically, socialism wouldn't require any form of taxation. The government would control the distribution of wealth, which would make taxes an unnecessary activity. Taxes are only necessary in a system where the government doesn't control the distribution of wealth.

"If you continuously tell the Big Lie that democratic socialism is the same as Marxism, you might be a Fascist."

Is Democratic Socialism still socialism?

Is what you see listed below an example of Socialism?

"Welcome! The Internationalist Group, section of the League for the Fourth International, fights for international socialist revolution, the conquest of power by the working class, led by its Leninist party, championing the cause of all the oppressed. After a decade and a half in which the ruling class trumpeted the supposed "death of communism," the imperialists are bogged down in losing wars of colonial occupation in the Near East while a global economic crisis shakes the foundations of the capitalist order. With mass unemployment, poverty and hunger ravaging the planet, once again there is talk of socialism and revolution. But as in the past, the key question is that of forging a vanguard to lead the struggle of the workers and the oppressed."

Capitalism and inequality:

"All the fundamental problems of the 21st century"inequality, war, global warming, economic crisis, dictatorship and the return of fascism"flow from the subordination of the global economy to the private enrichment of the ruling elites.

In January 2020, the richest 2,153 people on the planet had more wealth than the bottom 4.6 billion people. The COVID-19 pandemic has accelerated trends of economic crisis, financial parasitism, inequality, and inter-imperialist rivalry that threaten humanity's future.

Captitalism has become a barrier to the further development of humanity. As Karl Marx explained 150 years ago, with the growth of poverty and inequality, so too "grows the revolt of the working class, a class always increasing in numbers, and disciplined, united, organized by the very mechanism of the process of capitalist production itself."

The WSWS seeks to unify the international working class to take power. The major international corporations and banks must be taken out of the hands of the ruling class and placed under democratic ownership to serve the interests of the broad mass of the global population."

If this represents your beliefs, you might be a socialist.

Today I found myself wondering if giving it to healthcare professionals first is the best plan. On the surface it makes sense, but if there is some yet unidentified side-effect of taking this thing, you've just adversely affected all your healthcare workers. And in general, they're a pretty healthy group. The mortality rate for those who have caught the virus is .3%.

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep some in reserve.

"They're pissed off the term "socialist" is used to smear politicians who try to use the government for the public good."

That's not true.

It's fair game to smear someone as a socialist when they call themselves a socialist.

Global class struggle:

Throughout the world, workers are engaging in strikes and mass protests over austerity, unprecedented levels of social inequality and the criminal response of capitalist governments to spread of the pandemic. This page will report on the latest developments in the class struggle throughout the world and provide a voice to workers and a means of organizing their struggles. At the same time, it will help workers draw the necessary lessons from the history of the class struggle and socialist movement for their battles today.

To be effective today, even the most basic forms of working-class resistance must be coordinated on an international scale. As the global class struggle escalates, the page will assist workers in building new organizations of struggle, rank-and-file factory and workplace committees independent of the unions, to defend themselves and coordinate their struggles across national borders.

The task of the WSWS is to assist the growing mass movement by providing the Marxist theoretical guidance and political perspective required to transform the spontaneous eruptions of social opposition into a class conscious and internationally coordinated revolutionary struggle for socialism.

"But we aren't discussing Marxism here stupid! We are discussing the Socialism practiced in northern European nations, Canada, the United States, and many other free nations around the world."

Here's the thing Danni, for the last two centuries Marxism was socialism. It still IS socialism. It's just not the system being employed by western nations that in recent years been coined as socialism.

If you ask any real socialist, they'll tell you that what's occurring in western nations is not an example of socialism, as it relies on capitalism for it's existence.

Poke around this website a bit and tell me these socialists are supportive of capitalist society.

"Listen, you trying to teach liberals here what is socialist and what is not is Fractured Fairy Tales funny."

So this is what's going on. It's can't even be argued.

1) There is a relatively modern, left-leaning movement whose members call themselves "socialists," but advocate for and end state realized through capitalism.

@) There is an older movement based on traditional socialist beliefs...they also call themselves "socialists," but the advocate for an end-state where capitalism has been eradicated, replaced instead with a government planned economy.

These are facts. It's not even up for dispute. And you can't be both.