A slower death filled with tragedy and humiliation is not better
#145 | Posted by truthhurts

Okay, that's a bit extreme though.
Not everyone who drinks beer and wine dies a tragic, humiliated alcoholic.

"Giving wine to an alcoholic is not a morally positive act."

It is when they have the DTs and the only cure is some alcohol or they'll die.

Alcohol withdrawal is extremely dangerous.

"Wine was much safer and healthier to drink than most water in those days, period."

Yeah this was kind of the first step towards sanitation, without realizing it at the time.
Unfortunately the next step took dozens of centuries, almost long enough for us to invent the microscope and actually see bacteria.
The alcohol in wine and beer kills off pathogens.
Or if it doesn't, it becomes foul and you knew not to drink it.

He was the RIO or whatever, before I offend any Naval Aviators who might be offended.

Q: How can you tell if a man is a pilot?
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A: He'll tell you.

targeted black women with their government cuts,
#15 | Posted by snoofy

Tell us again who gets the promotions in the military....
#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds

There's two ways to get promoted in the military.
Be very good at what you do, or be black.
Those aren't my words, that's my old boss at the defense contract company, who flew A-6s in Vietnam.
Was he a Good Old Boy? Probably. Somewhat.
He told me to get into the health care field, all these years later I sort of got there through biotech.

Point is, DOGE didn't cut the military.

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

There is when it violates the Fourth Amendment.

As you are surely aware, ICE claims the authority to raid people's homes without a signed warrant from a judge.
And as you are surely aware, those were not the rules when you were a cop.
To enter a suspect's home, you needed a signed warrant from a judge.

You said "There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge. That's all they do."

Does this include violating the Fourth Amendment, as you understood it when you were a cop, to enter homes and take people without a signed warrant from a Judge?

This is pretty much the crux of what's being protested in Minneapolis. And you would support those protests if you actually believed the Oath of Office you swore to the Constitution. But I think you were lying when you swore that oath.

Also, what kind of fathers are these, leaving behind their little ones to go play GI Joe in the freezing north?

I can't imagine any ICE agent is truly capable of loving a child. Not seeing how they treat children.

How does knowing an agent's name cause his family to exist in a state of terror?

Is this true of all Federal employees? Soldiers? Attorneys?

State police, local police, all police, should their identities be secret too?

You have such a hard-on for fascism but I don't think you have the cognitive and language skills to understand that about yourself.

"They don't DOXX the agents to terrorize their families?"

Federal agents serve the public and their names should be public. Like Fanone and Sicknick.

It should be illegal for police to hide their face and not have a name tag or ID number showing.

"storming hotels"

Any weapons discharged, any injuries?

Meanwhile, ICE storms homes and businesses all day long without a warrant, and you say it's necessary to carry out their mission.

"80 oh so they aren't storming hotels, vandalizing cars, throwing ice and rocks at agents, they aren't approaching them aggressively while they are trying to do their jobs?"

That's how ICE treats people who are trying to do their jobs, so are you saying that's bad?

Not this horrific war being waged against ice for doing their job.
#79 | Posted by Imshakinitboss

Because their "job" is to smash windows and snatch people from their cars, or detain citizens with no charges filed, simply to intimidate the public at large.

Why do you claim this is necessary? It's obviously thuggery. ICE was able to do their job just fine in Trump's first term without acting this way.

You're really too chickenshit to address the real issue here is not the ICE mission statement but the fact that they're doing it like The Gestapo coming for Anne Frank?

You can't figure out that's what people are protesting?

Or are you just a Nazi? Trust me, that's the easiest explanation for you.

"if the citizens didn't interfere violently like they have been for MONTHS, no violence would be occurring."

So you're saying ICE lost their temper now?
After MONTHS they got fed up?

Did you learn to think this way from the husbands you got DA calls on, or is this just evidence that you think poor emotional regulation is an affirmative defense?

"A defective gun fired in its own."

It didn't fire on its own.
It fired because ICE went grabbing for it.

"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission to find people here illegally and take them before an immigration judge."

Did someone say there was?
What's inherently wrong is how the mission is being carried out.

This is worth multiple civilian fatalities to you.
"This is necessary" were your words.
"There is nothing inherently wrong or evil about the mission" those were also your words.

You really think this is worth multiple civilian fatalities, to not even send all that many illegal immigrants packing? Not even talking about the cost; one day of ICE operations in Minneapolis costs more than it cost OBL to pull off 9/11.

Tell us why the ICE mission is worth the price of cops killing civilians.
Or maybe you just consider civilians a Target of Opportunity, like ICE does.

"Their job is legitimate and necessary."

No it isn't necessary.
75% of the immigrants detained by ICE have no criminal record.
Why is it necessary to detain them and send them to camps and then deport them?
Especially the camps part, why not just deport them forthwith, like we did in Trump's first term?

" If the citizens didn't violently interfere with their operations and allowed them to conduct their lawful arrests, "

Citizens aren't violently interfering with anything. If they were, they would be charged and prosecuted, and so perhaps some small number have been. Meanwhile, ICE has arrested over 100 Americans and all released with no charges filed.

"Ice is there to detain people in the country illegally."

Oh so you're just going to completely deny that there's been a massive increase in violence by ICE as they carry out this mission.

You won't talk about the broken windows, the citizens being taken and released, all of that is not part of what ICE is there to do, it just kinda... somehow... keeps happening.

"firearm go off as the officer removed it"

In normal English, the ICE agent fired the gun as he was trying to remove it.

That's not a spontaneous discharge. There's nothing spontaneous about that. That's as spontaneous as the time that Saudi Prince got off the rape charge by saying he was sleepwalking with an erection and happened to fall onto the couch where the woman was laying.

"So I guess you're just going to refuse to watch the video"

This video, the one captioned "Did the decedent's firearm go off as the officer removed it turned with it in hand."

So you're saying ICE caused the gun to fire, and then ICE reacted to their own fire by killing this guy.

Do I have these facts right?