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Thursday, August 07, 2025

The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight respiratory viruses like COVID-19 and the flu.

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The Trump administration's decision to terminate hundreds of millions of dollars to develop mRNA vaccines imperils the country's ability to fight future pandemics and is built on false or misleading claims about the technology, public health experts said.

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-- The Washington Post (@washingtonpost.com) Aug 6, 2025 at 4:55 PM

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This man is a mass murderer.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-08-06 09:36 AM | Reply

Federal mRNA funding cut is most dangerous public health decision' ever, expert says

www.pbs.org

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-08-07 01:42 AM | Reply

Honestly, unless there has been additional developments in this field I'm unaware of, I'm OK with tempering the mRNA "revolution."

Boost responses with COVID vaccines were starting to bleed into detrimental territory with effects like induction of IgG4 and even primary doses were in a breadth of adverse events that was problematic.

For vaccines against non-pandemic infectious diseases, the only real benefit is cost. More can be produced for less, or less for less.. It becomes a cost-benefit analysis for markets that are important regionally.

Where mRNA can really shine, however, was in the speed and flexibility of it's design and production. Areas like pandemic diseases or personalized vaccines for things like cancer are where it really shines.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-07 01:59 AM | Reply

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Ok, so a few of my quibbles with that article...

and can be developed more quickly than traditional vaccines.

Well...sort of. mRNA vaccines remove the step of protein production from the manufacturing pipeline. You're no longer having to make the protein for purification, you simply purify the mRNA and let the body do that (multiple layers of nuance, not going in to them all).

However, for something like influenza, the current vaccine platform is plug and play. New yearly vaccines simply have the current HA gene inserted while the rest remains the same. Development is the same while manufacturing is quite different.

Here's the problem; mRNA only codes for a small part of the viral proteins, usually a single antigen. One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.

This very basic statement of ignorance or misinformation wasn't addressed. The "expert" gave a canned answer that didn't explain why this is wrong.

It's wrong because an antigen is not the entirety of a protein. S protein that was included in the COVID vaccines contains multiple antigens. An antigen is simply the very specific portion of a protein an antibody or T cell targets.

The portion of his answer about driving a virus to change and creating doubt? Not at all relevant and simply canned responses.

Not going further now as that's a lot of BS for a short portion of an interview.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-07 02:20 AM | Reply

"imperils the country's ability to fight future pandemics"

That's the kind of decision you make when you're the leader of a Death Cult.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-08 07:50 AM | Reply

Trump was asked about this cut and clearly had no clue it was happening. He did the normal thing he does when he has no idea what he's talking about and said we are going to be looking into mrna vaccines.
Kennedy's decision and Trump's disinterest is resulting in what is one of the worst public health decisions in the history of the country.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2025-08-08 09:56 AM | Reply

vaccines were starting to bleed into detrimental territory with effects like induction of IgG4 and even primary doses were in a breadth of adverse events that was problematic>

More evidence-free bull-sheet from our resident moron.

#7 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 10:11 AM | Reply

Please tell the class how the protein produced by mRNA from a vaccine, the same spike protein with the same transmembrane domain as COVID. In fact, the big difference between the two is that the vaccine induced spike protein does virtually nothing beyond producing a specific immune response, because it has no escape accomplices (the other components of the viral structure) to latch onto, because the cell isn't making them.

#8 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 10:58 AM | Reply

More evidence-free bull-sheet from our resident moron.

#7 | POSTED BY ZARNON

lol both of those were extensively documented.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-08 12:47 PM | Reply

I didn't say anything remotely related to any of the rest of your attempt to sound sciency.

Everything I mentioned was due to inflammatory processes induced by the vaccine. Its pro-inflammatory characteristics were a positive for initial vaccinations because it gave a more "natural"-like response. Turned out to be problematic for long term usage in boosters.

And it also caused more adverse events, hindering uptake.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2025-08-08 01:06 PM | Reply

sound sciency.

You say the spike protein from the mRNA vaccine is responsible for a dubious chronic inflammatory condition, somehow different from the spike protein on COVID. Yet you can't produce any evidence for your wild assertions other than 'look it up!'.

"Do your research!" the rallying cry of the uninformed.

extensively documented.

Yeah, where? let me guess, anecdotal evidence that you see on Facebook type of documentation? Maybe VAERS? Or actual peer-reviewed studies in respected medical journals?

You blab on about 'proof' without ever producing any. Where's your link? If it's that easy to find, why can't you produce it?

You're just like every other science-illiterate Conservadunce. You regurgitate half-baked, evidence-free accusations without even understanding how dumb it is. You don't even know the basics about mRNA. It's painfully obvious.

TrumpT are the masters of Projection. You're the uninformed fool trying to appear intelligent. Emphasis on the word 'trying'.

#11 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 10:21 PM | Reply

For the record, three of the protective antibodies to COVID are anti-SARS-CoV-2 spike IgG (nCoV S-IgG), anti-SARS-CoV-2 spike receptor-binding domain IgG (nCoV RBD-IgG), and anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies (nCoV NAbs).

Two of these are IgG. IgG is the most common major immune system subclass in the body. I'm guessing these morons misinterpreted a positive immune response for something more nefarious.

Or they're relying on sources like VAERS which is a common anti-vaxxer mining ground. It's not a data collection center and they explicitly state as such. But that never stopped the anti-vaxxers.

Or they made the error of attributing causation of a disease from an abnormal lab value. Even if certain lab markers (like IgG4) have been correlated with a disease, it is not like some light-switch that guarantees a diagnosis.

If you knew anything about medicine, you'd know that.

My guess is JPW never dug any deeper than "Yup! Sounds just like what my gut told me!".

#12 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 10:46 PM | Reply

Curious.

There's plenty of legitimate (peer reviewed) information to warrant the concern JPW expressed.

www.journalofinfection.com(24)00053-7/fulltext
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
academic.oup.com

Increased levels of igG4 from repeated mRNA vaccination appears well correlated.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2025-08-08 10:51 PM | Reply

Here's the reason RFKjr and JPW spew accusations but never give the goods on how they arrived at them;

Because when they try to do it, they get torn an academic a----e.

Just like the hilariously inept MAHA report. An epic flop of science-illiteracy and made-up AI crap no MAGAMORON fact-checked. It was deservedly ripped to shreds within days of arrival.

#14 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 11:05 PM | Reply

Yav - the first link throws and error that says 'for health professionals only'. Not sure how you followed that.

Now for the second and third link. Let me ask you. Did you actually read those papers? Or did you pull them up in some PubMed search and post them without any investigation?

If so, what from the papers did you find most telling? Thoughts, please!

Just from 10 minutes of reading, they do not support your 'well-correlated' claim. In fact the study in the third link clearly says this is a proposed hypothesis.

Jesus fkng christ people. Research is more than a Google search and posting the results.

Even if they did show correlation, correlation does not mean causation.

#15 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 11:12 PM | Reply

4th link - a synopsis (not the actual paper) that has nothing to do with correlation or causation with some generalized chronic inflammatory condition. An elevated lab marker may mean a lot of things or nothing at all. They didn't even mention chronic inflammation. The 4th link has to do with COVID vaccine efficacy and IgG4.

JFC You didn't actually read any of these, did you Yav?

#16 | Posted by zarnon at 2025-08-08 11:21 PM | Reply

The first link, which you have to assemble by adding the part that the parser clipped, addresses your concerns. The others, including the summary build a position for better understanding (study) of igG4 (first paper identifies 4 subclasses of igG4).

You appear to live in a world of assumptions so you can puff out your chest and blow past legitimate observations. I found it enjoyable that you're hiding behind "for health professionals only" and "hypothesis" as if I don't understand what a falsifiable hypothesis means in this context.

It appears you aren't all you think you are, nor am I less than you.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2025-08-09 08:22 AM | Reply

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