SMFH. That would definitely improve your reputation.

Old people die. That is the natural order of things. As a collective we can accept them dying a little earlier.

OK Dr. Mengele.

Oh great. From the article Snoofy cited: "We are strongly urging the medical community to not prescribe this medication to any non-hospitalized patients," said Dr. Brooks.

And Jeff ignores the reason the CDC had to put out the notification.

You see us getting through this solely in economic terms.

I don't.

We'll recover, economically.

What we are afterwards is what concerns me.

#54 was for Bored's #52.

a=b
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transitive property.

"Enough people got the wrong message from Trump's repeated words and tweets to force the CDC into publishing a level 2 advisory on it."

You really are a dumbass

Enough people got the wrong message from Trump's repeated words and tweets to force the CDC into publishing a level 2 advisory on it. Why? Exact same chemical name, the difference is one is "pharmaceutical" grade and the one this couple took was labeled "ornamental fish only."

No one's said the people were smart or that they weren't irresponsible. I can, in context of Trump's snake-oil salesman persona, see where they're coming from. If you use this chemical to get rid of parasites (ich) on your fish, and the President says (b)ut the nice part is, it's been around for a long time, so we know that if it " if things don't go as planned, it's not going to kill anybody. and their fish are fine then surely it has to be near enough the same. If it doesn't hurt the tiny fish and helps them, why would it hurt humans?

There are enough people out there, and people are worried, that irresponsible language and promises made by the President of the United States can become deadly. As in this case. Not to mention other issues with his words. For instance:

*Shortages of the drug are endangering patients who need it for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.

*India, a major producer, has banned exports, and some doctors are hoarding both drugs by writing prescriptions for themselves or family members.

*Deaths in Nigeria among people self-treating for apparent COVID-19 were attributed to chloroquine overdoses, and an Arizona man trying to avoid COVID-19 infection died after reportedly self-medicating with a toxic form of chloroquine used to clean fish tanks.

*Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a staunch Trump ally, ordered that nation's military labs to ramp up production of chloroquine. Panic buying has ensued.

Same rate at which known cases of coronavirus are increasing in America...

Thanks for making that point clear. Good job.

At 50,000/day It would take 18 years to produce enough tests to test everyone in the U.S., just once.

#13 - exactly what I was thinking when I heard him yapping on and on yesterday. Michigan's a swing state, he better figure it out.

#2 - the FDA's has the following statement regarding ibuprofen and COVID-19:

"Praise" of course. Poor editing on my part.

#10 - why do you say that? Did Whitmer release praised for Dear Leader?

Perhaps Trump got slammed hard enough on his horrific truth-telling that he actually had to, against his ego, do what was right despite himself?

BTW - let me just say this test could be a game changer. It could get us back to work in a safe and responsible way. I will also state that I believe 50,000 a day is woefully inadequate. Abbott needs to license this at least, so that that number can be significantly increased. Not to mention how much money Abbott could make off this.

Licensing it and getting that production per day number up will help the entire planet and it would also be ethical. Keeping it to themselves, unable to produce more than 50,000/day is short-sighed and unethical IMHO.

The CDC soft-pedaled the source of the misinformation by paraphrasing and removing anything said by the surviving individual, acknowledging only that the individual's actions were taken "after seeing information on the medical use of chloroquine on television."

"(The) CDC is also aware of unconfirmed media reports that these commercially available aquarium-use chemicals may be out of stock due to potential increased demand by the public."

It's a good link in #10 - I read that a couple of weeks ago. "To the extent that there's someone to blame here, the blame is on poor, chaotic management from the White House and failure to acknowledge the big picture."

The head of the FDA and the CDC are Trump appointees. Gottlieb, who left the CDC March 5th 2019 and was a Trump appointee believes "The mistake we made is we took a very linear approach rather than an all-of-the-above approach."

The CDC has been under the doofus Redfield - who's a wacko.

So yeah, the FDA and CDC screwed up, and both report to Trump who clearly doesn't want to have this on him. Hell, when asked he flat out stated 'I don't take responsibility at all.'

I'll vote for Bernie.
No question about it.

I suppose I should have put the mortality rate for COVID-19 in there, too, and explain that I was rebutting your mendacious false equivalences. COVID-19 mortality rate for the U.S. is 1.6% today, and 4.7% world-wide. For comparison to Chicken Pox, for instance...

No, Einstein, everyone is not at risk.

Everyone is at risk. That is a fact.
The risk is based on location and underlying conditions, but every single person is considered at risk. There is no vaccine and no treatment for this.

Chickenpox fatality rate is 0.003%
The flu fatality rate is 0.13% (average for the past 10 years for the U.S.)
The common cold doesn't even register.

The least at risk group for COVID-19 still has a mortality rate 4 times that of the flu.

What good is the learning, Sawdust, if we elect another Trump, or re-elect this one?

A pandemic was gamed-out when Trump first came into office, and he did worse than nothing. He dismantled the very agencies we needed. It was gamed-out a year ago. Nothing done. Nothing reviewed. Nothing planned.

Trump screwed up bigly, repeatedly, and is still screwing up. You want a good response to this? Get rid of him and Pence. Get them out of the way. Blaming the CDC and FDA for this only goes so far. Blame Trump and his heads of the CDC and FDA - his appointees. His CDC head, Redfield, was called out at the time he was appointed as seriously questionable because he has weird-ass ideas on HIV/AIDS.

We're at 1.6% death rate today.

That's the U.S. number. Worldwide it's 4.46%

Though I generally agree with you and find you very much on target, your value determination of who's "productive" and their impact to us "getting through this" should be reconsidered.

We're at 1.6% death rate today.

It's not just taking the "least productive."
It's not just taking the sick, or people with underlying conditions.
Just because some people have underlying conditions, like asthma, doesn't mean they aren't productive.

You equating those that are at risk with productivity is uninformed and bigoted. It is ignorant.

We'll get through this because that's what we do, no matter the cost. Not because those you decided aren't productive and will die won't impact the economy or our recovery.

I watched the signing ceremony in the WH yesterday for the COVID-19 reef package. This vindictive POS didn't have a single Democrat at the ceremony. What a POS.

Then it dawned on me. All the top Republicans, his cabinet members, all standing right next to each other, nothing even beginning to resemble social/physical distancing. He then signs the bill, hands McConnell the pen, then reaches into a box of pens and hands them out to everyone else.

Praise and thankfulness to Trump is the currency.