For reference another example where the "jus soli" and "subject to the "complete" jurisdiction thereof" don't fully align easily.

Some one in the diplomatic corp is not "subject to the "complete" jurisdiction thereof" even though on the "soli".

ergo "jus soli" is an incorrect interpretation of "subject to the "complete" jurisdiction thereof".

From my reading, and the example above, there is a difference between territorial jurisdiction, and a more complete allegiance-obliging jurisdiction of citizenship.

#26 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

To be clear this EO is a clear violation of the Constitution, hence my response.
#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER A

No its not, read the history of the 14th amendment, and relate that to the current SC.

Its possible you don't understand the argument, do you actually imagine Trump just signed it thinking "NAH no one will contest it"?

The issue is the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", now some people believe its "jus soli".

Reading back on the reason for the act, and its purpose, it was to allow Black slaves to become citizens, and also keep non-citizens from becoming citizens. Remember America is a racist country.

So in the case of lets say an India parent have a child on US. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" would imply that the child was not subject to ANY other jurisdiction. Well it would appear that the child is under India's jurisdiction due to the laws "Indian Citizenship".

According to the Indian Citizenship Act of 1956 (as amended in 1992 and recently in 2004) (hereinafter the "Indian Citizenship Act"), a person born outside India on or after December 10, 1992 shall be a citizen of India by descent if either of his/her parents is a citizen of India at the time of his/her birth.

Ergo the child is an Indian citizen and not a US citizen because the child isn't "subject to the "complete" jurisdiction thereof"

The lawsuits argue that the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship for people born and naturalized in the U.S., and states have been interpreting the amendment that way for a century.

Well its somewhat up in the air given the wording. It doesn't directly/explicitily say "guarantee citizenship to people born in the US".

and states have been interpreting the amendment that way for a century.

That doesn't mean anything, the constitution changed to end slavery. The constitution is a living document.

Sorry that's Jeffertina now.

Snark

Is Susan Collins concerned yet?

That's a recipe for disaster.

Just one flagrant example:
www.justice.gov
#11 | POSTED BY MSGT A

There's other less draconian ways to fix this issue, I wonder sometimes if this is Trumps way of negotiating.

CORKY

Robson blew his wad a long time ago and it was anti-climactic.

So when does Barron get deported along wiyj his Slovenian mother.
She wasn't born here and he is an anchor baby along with his sister Princess sparkle pony, Eric the dumber, and Cocaine junior.

"I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, and accepting a pardon also would serve to contribute to their gaslighting and false narrative."

No it wouldn't, by accepting the pardon, you accept your guilt.

Laura?

Everyone knows she's the reason Hillary lost Kansas.

#JillStein2026!

When Biden pardoned his son I said on this site that if he went on to pardon his brother James it would pretty much cement that he was influence peddling given all of the smoke that has been billowing. As of yesterday I was happy to be wrong about this but then in the waning minutes Biden proved me right.

Imagine being so stupid as to refer to this having an impact on "American families" when both parents aren't even citizens. ------- lying media

oh course gracie the hag cheers the death of the 4th amendment and the arrest of American citizens.

"you people" are a disgrace to this country.

Hate, bitter and the perpetual anger of the left makes Dems ugly. Sad isnt it?

#24 | Posted by Robson

"Oh yeah well you're ugly!" I haven't heard debate this convincing since 4th grade.

Anyone collecting unemployment can harvest crops for a paycheck. Problem is liberals have grown accustomed to handouts. It's free money, after all.

#41 | Posted by gracieamazed

Accepting that as being true (it's really quite stupid) then Donald is handing us a recession.

Your post is another MAGA example of your personal fantasies of the world arguing with the realities of the world.

So you support this Donalesque immigration disaster because you think that it will force some people you dislike to find work?

Another MAGA a few minutes ago supports it because it will force MAGA to be more self-sufficient.

Maybe you're saying the same thing?

Regardless....Recession is coming. Sound politics. Good job.

Democrats (and communist overlords) are obessed with urban wonderlands and high rise tenament buildings where everyone is either a rich liberal or a woe is me victim but they always adore being hyper dependent on government and thinking alike.

One thing I failed to foresee was the entertainment value of the coming apocalypse

- Even though both posters write like they're the same person.

Now that you mention it, I sense they both sit in the bedroom waiting for their wives to not have sex with them, and posting here is what they do while they wait.

Our populace is getting older and having fewer children (thank Dobbs for spurring that along).

You mean abortion, the African American population should be upset with the racist abortionist.

What will be the effect on the US economy when there is a shortage of workers entering the job market?

Higher wages!

You weren't so worried about the constitution when trump attempted a coup, or ran for office again after that.

Posted by SpeakSoftly

No one was really worried about the constitution then.

Only pant -------, attempt to use it as leverage in the place of an actual argument.

It is HIGHLY likely that the SC will accept much of -------- arguments and birthright citizenship will be changed.

Given my reading this is highly probable.

A country isn't a civilized society if it condones capital punishment.

" 16 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2025-01-23 05:32 PM | FLAG: "

Quit swallowing talking points hook, line and sinker and do a bit of research independently.

Are you aware of what his second wife has to say about allegations that he abused her?

He wasn't wrong.

Is there anything 1LUMPYSHHT posts that isn't misinformation, gaslighting, or just a straight up lie?

this EO is a clear violation of the Constitution,

The constitution is in violation of Trump's decree.

You wanted a king, you're getting one.

That's rich. The man just pardoned 1,500 actual terrorists.

Pardon me:

Joshua Holland
@joshuaholland.bsky.social
Mark my words: There will be less outraged coverage, over a shorter period of time, of Trump pardoning violent militia members who committed sedition and RW thugs who beat up cops than there was of Biden pardoning a son who was a top target of the right and whose conviction was highly irregular.

And Dems won't make a third as much noise over this outrageous assault on the rule of law as Republicans did with Hunter's pardon.

Also, quite a few Dems amplified and legitimated the GOP's tantrum over Biden's pardon. Won't see much of that if any from Republicans.

I'm sure many of them are disgusted"that mob wanted their blood"but it's too dangerous for Republicans to speak out about Trump. You gotta worry about his deranged, heavily-armed thugs stalking you, the RW media trashing you and Elon funding a primary challenger.

The orange pedo shuts down the office of gun violence prevention.

So Felon47 pardoned the -------- who assaulted police officers and now the fraternal order of police who supported him issued a letter expressing their disapproval of this. What did you think was going to happen poindexters? Y'all got played. Of course he was going to pardon THEM ALL just to get his accomplices in the planning of it out of jail since they took the fall for him.

No. He gets his "news" from x.com.

To be clear this EO is a clear violation of the Constitution, hence my response.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger

You weren't so worried about the constitution when trump attempted a coup, or ran for office again after that.

It's funny reading European Americans, who are only Americans because they were born here, wanting to change the rules due to their xenophobia.

#11 | POSTED BY MSGT

You're going to have to deal with the fact that the Founding Fathers favored birthright citizenship in order to keep tyrants from oppressing people by manipulating such a fundamental legal condition.

Like Donald is attempting to do.

"One of the people who served jail time for taking part in the US Capitol riot four years ago has refused a pardon from President Donald Trump, saying:

"We were wrong that day."

Pamela Hemphill, who pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 60 days in prison, told the BBC that there should be no pardons for the riot on 6 January 2021.

"Accepting a pardon would only insult the Capitol police officers, rule of law and, of course, our nation," she said.

"I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, and accepting a pardon also would serve to contribute to their gaslighting and false narrative."

Hemphill, who was nicknamed the "Maga granny" by social media users - in reference to Trump's "make America great again" slogan - said she saw the Trump government as trying to "rewrite history and I don't want to be part of that".

When Trump was asked why he had pardoned individuals who had been convicted of attacking Capital police officers on January 6th, he seemed to not know that that was the case:
#2 | Posted by OCUser

That's his M.O.

He's got playing dumb down to an art form. That way he never has to take responsibility for anything he does. And the American people go along with it.

BullBringer thinks highly of his opinions.

No one else cares.

Why?

I'll take "Lewzer has no idea what he's doing" for $100.

To be clear this EO is a clear violation of the Constitution, hence my response.

Right. We can't alter an amendment because reasons.

One of those reasons is American's don't own a thesaurus.

For people like MSG, Sicknick is a traitor for defending the United States capitol building from insurrectionists.

MSG is the byproduct of brain damage and Facebook memes.

He's a typical, low intellect Trump voter.

Reagan gave amnesty to immigrants.

Today's Republican Party would lynch him.

Republicans are furious about a REAL christian mentioning christ's teachings to the antichrist.

Look at what MAGA filth replaced blood, sweat and tears with.

'Blood, feces, and terror'

He's not afraid of anything.

Except releasing his taxes or medical history.

Posted by BellRinger

Stop yammering about issues of morality.

You don't have any morality.

You just squawk.

This cements for me that I en was selling influence to enrich himself and his family.

Posted by BellRinger at 2025-01-20 02:56 PM | Reply

Of course it does because you're a partisan hack.

Trump proving that he is just as horrible and petty a person as everyone already knew.