"And most R's will continue supporting the R party no matter what, even if they're among the 60+% who want abortion kept legal, because either they're just going along with the rest of the platform, they can't vote with librulz,"

IOW, the issue isn't that important to them.

Interesting retort on this decision.....

-the school took action because the display got out of hand.

what do you mean, "out of hand"?

That it happened at all?

I don't blame the school for taking the action they did. Under the circumstances I completely understand why they felt they had to stop it.

I'm surprised at the decision, frankly.

But there are obviously different schools of thought on freedom of religion and separation of church and state.

This decision says the display and the prayer itself is fine but nobody can be forced to participate.

And the folks who think it's wrong to even see the display can pound sand. That right doesn't exist.

"players from his team and the opposing team's coaches and players were going to the middle of the field, like a prayer circle"

It's the display that bothers you. That they are allowed to "display" it.

Got it.

-Because as sure as god made little green apples not everyone was happy to participate or see that.

And so you are determined to make sure folks don't have to participate in it NOR EVEN SEE IT?

Again, YOU are what the founders had in mind when drafting the 1st amendment.

NOT this coach.

-Having raised sons who played football and observed their relationship with their coach, it would have been absolutely understood that if you want playing time or a college recommendation you keep the coach happy.

And that included tolerating his religious zealotry?

Is that what happened to your sons? were they victims of such a thing?

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Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

That stuff happens all the time. Not praying before or after a football game I'll admit is a slippery slope but it's not a significant as so many other ways kids can fall victim to such lunacy.

-That doesn't make this particular marginalization okay... does it?

You mean the accusation of marginalization?

Not actual marginalization......because you have zero evidence of that.

-Where's the Constitutional issue there?

I could make one up involving the classroom if you'd like. Like say....the history teacher doesn't like Mexicans or gays.

-I'm waiting for a Muslim coach to get down and kneel on his pray rug after a game. According to this ruling, he will be protected by the first amendment.

It's not that far fetched. It's not like public high schools have completely ignored the Muslim faith especially in football.

-The 1st amendment also effectively separates church and state.

By banning the coach from forcing or coercing a kid into praying if they don't want to.

Not by banning the prayer itself.

-a public school forcing or coercing children to participate in prayer,

that's just your accusation. As you said, You don't know this coach nor his intentions. You're just assigning the "forcing or coercing" on him.

And as I said, students can be victims of marginalization worse than this.

How about the same coach who also teaches social studies but hates boys who go out for cross country and makes their life hell up to and including giving out worse grades?

THAT goes on 50 fold in schools more than this concern over a choice to not participate in a prayer.

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But he thinks it's the other way around. He thinks the 1st amendment is there to protect HIM from seeing the presence of religion anywhere in public.

A better application of the 1st amendment is where it protects the right of people to engage in prayer and those who choose to to engage in prayer....from HIM.

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You're saying any kid who chooses to not participate is at risk of being marginalized.

Do you understand a kid can be vulnerable to being marginalized all the time in high school with their choices?

There are tons of examples of how a kid can be affected by making a choice. Not participating in a prayer wouldn't make the top 10.

My kids attended a Catholic High School.

At all homes games, we always say a prayer from a microphone. Most schools we play are public high schools.

I glance at the opposing side as we say the prayer.....they all stand up and pray. Every time. Players and adults.

"perjured themselves"

What exactly did each of them say when asked how they would vote if given the chance to reverse Roe?

I think the states that ban abortion prior to 15 weeks (that's my guess) could see a leakage of companies who decide to move for greener pastures.

If it's after 15 weeks then I think the outrage from employees, etc will be minimal and we won't see a significant move.

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Thanks. I've sent him back to slums where he belongs.

-For most Republicans this was just a decades-long cynical ploy to keep some religious extremists aligned with the party. Several of these jerks, I'm sure, have paid for abortions for family members "in trouble" or their mistresses.

couldn't agree more

"You care about...."

You haven't gotten anything right about me.

stop trying to determine what I care about because you can't get it right...or you'll always work to not get it right.

You're a ------- troll and nothing more.

POS

-I'll check back in six weeks

what would we have to pay you to make it 6 years?

-I hope you're not just coming to this conclusion.

Uh...no. I've actually overshot on this issue by suggesting that the GOP deep down doesn't really care about abortion except as a wedge issue. Not that they really give a ---- about banning abortion. That brazen hypocrisy has no bounds.

-Extreme pro-lifers believe the "morning after" pill is murder. Extreme "pro-choicers are comfortable with partial birth abortion in the 40th week

And the trolls and pundits will use those extreme views to assign it to everyone with whom they disagree with.

-Thanks for reading and understanding.

Thanks for ------- off

-Can you be a lifelong Republican and actually support abortion rights?

Yes

You're such an -------. Trying to diagnose me and figure me all out.

Why don't you just not give a ---- that I'm a registered republican and focus on an actual issue.

Wait, that would mean you'd have to stop trolling which is literally the only skill you have in the entire world.

trolling

You probably can't even make toast...because there is virtually no trolling in that task.