"your sarcasm sensitivity meter"

It's not sarcasm to everyone. It's not even sarcasm.

It's hysteria.

-But then he opened a wormhole into a dimension where Donald Trump is a good man, an excellent president, and devoted husband. Oh, and not at all greedy, or larcenous.

did he? please illustrate?

I imagine the dem candidates don't give a crap about what these mayors want except for the votes those cities carry and how much they need them.

We've had unaffordable housing issues for a long time in many cities.

What has the POTUS ever done about that?

-I do not think it would qualify as an "undue burden" placed on getting an abortion (mainly because I don't think intentionally inflicting psychological pain on a woman is considered a "burden"?) so I do not see how it would fall afoul of Roe.

I would think that qualifies as an undue burden.....but that's just me.

JPW, this??...

"The letters landowners have been receiving are the first step in what can be a contentious process, with the government seeking "right of entry" to conduct surveys on the properties and unfettered access for 12 to 18 months. Most landowners consent at first contact and eventually sell, according to attorneys familiar with the eminent domain process.

A growing number of South Texans have not signed those letters and are facing federal lawsuits seeking access to their land. Some said in interviews they have refused to sign because they have concerns about the process or oppose the border wall project."

see what you did, snoofgoat?

I made the mistake of talking with you and look what happened.....Joe, JPW, and bruce all moved on.

you smell that bad.

nobody should ever engage you. I have no idea how Jeff does it. He has a patience level that I don't.

but.....I'm done talking with you again....you've worn me out.

like I said, 95% of the 166 acres are probably owned by Trump voters.

Snoofgoat has caught me. I have to acknowledge that perhaps someone won't be fairly compensated, at least in their eyes, for their land.

"poor people living on the border."

LOL

-You might as well be making some arm flapping motions to ridicule Joe while you're at it.

It's enough I lowered myself to even address the little twerp even once. Same goes to you.

You don't want to discuss anything...you just want to goatroll. that's it.

not interested.

"the linked article states many plots are already being acquired under the condemnation process."

This is what I saw in the article......

"On Friday, the federal government filed its first land acquisition case to condemn nearly 13 acres of private property in the Rio Grande Valley, a parcel near the river levee in Hidalgo County. The owner was offered $93,449 in compensation for the land."

So far, 1 person has been offered over $7K an acre for his land....I have no idea if that's a fair offer or not.

I get it that the landowner doesn't want to sell and I don't know why....it's none of my business.

"If you don't want to accept that as genuine, that's your problem."

I'll just have to drag that burden with me.

LOL

"My understanding is that this is limiting choice. The doctors HAVE TO perform the ultrasound (regardless of the wishes of the woman) and have to describe it to her and have her listen to the sound of the heartbeat."

can someone confirm if that's true?

Do they have to perform the procedure or simply offer to perform it and document if the patient adamantly refuses to have it done?

I don't see how forcing the ultrasound against the woman's wishes passes the constitutional scrutiny of Roe. But.....I'm far from an expert on this.

. "And yes, I'm against eminent domain except in very particular situations."

same here...and the Helo case is a great example of government overreach in the usage of Eminent domain.

"There are plenty of examples of people doing well with eminent domain.."

Not exactly. Eminent domain refers to the act of forcing the sale of the property "for just compensation".

The voluntary sale involving offer, counter-offer, counter-offer, etc. until finally..."deal!" is NOT the government invoking eminent domain.

I've done a brief search to see if there are any stats on what % of government land purchases involve the actual invocation of eminent domain and I can't find it.

maybe someone else can....but I'm willing to guess that it's a very small %.

Does liljoe realize that's not really my point?

The point is that red state landowners is the LAST thing liljoe cares about.

He's just pretending because it's about the fence itself, to him.

It's not like he's ever actually bought or sold anything of value and understands the process.

Let me put it in terms maybe you'll understand........

the article estimates 166 miles of land will be needed. 155.5 of that line is owned by Trump voters.

Is that better? easy enough to understand now?

Trumpism is a disease....that you suffer from, Bruthe.

not me. I'm not mentioning, defending, invoking, referencing, advocating anything related to Trump.

here's a tip if you want to not be plonked....read my posts not the trolling goatmanish posts from Snoofy.

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not sure what you mean. seriously.

and understand I'm trying to ignore the goatman wannabees around here in his absence.

-You even said it yourself above-if an offer isn't accepted the government will simply take it and give what they want.

Where did I say that?

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Hold on....my posts on this thread aren't a defense for the wall...in fact, I've stated I am against it.

I'm just pointing out that you can all put away your tissues over the poor poor landowners in a red state.

Nobody is buying.

THAT is the strawman argument made in this thread.

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yes. Of course. Ever buy or sell real estate?

It's always a negotiation.

But my original point, that's been molested by the likes of bruthe, is that the vast majority of land along our border is owned by folks that own a lot of land and have the negotiation power to get MORE that it's otherwise worth. And bruthe doesn't give a crap about them.

He's just pretending to because he doesn't like the fence in the first place.

I don't like it either....but if this all happens.....we'll learn later the taxpayers are the who's getting screwed....not the vast majority of the landowners.

we're obsessed with stars more than team performance. Big market teams can never tie the expense of contracts like this to the performance of that specific player and add it up and say, "yeah, his record, ERA, etc was worth it".

It's much more than that. Attendance, merchandise rights, and TV deals are driven by the stars.

And the money itself will generate so much interest in Cole more than his actual performance.

"Lies, bigotry, I-know-some-guys evidence.
Ha ha ha"

you poor thing.....

Here is an article discussing the tactics of the govt when trying to acquire land for a fence.

"Liars pretend victims are getting fair value for land.
the evidence is against that.
The government takes and low-balls owners."

what evidence? let's see it

show me where the govt has low-balled landowners?

they have, I'm sure. But you are under the impression I'm making everything up and that nobody ever makes out like a bandit when the govt purchases property from private landowners.

everybody gets screwed? really?

I also know folks who haven't fared as well. Not because they weren't offered a fair price for their land because they didn't sell their land. Rather, the value of their land went down because a highway was re-located closer to their property and because you could see it and hear it....their home probably dropped in value.....they were compensated for that....but not to their satisfaction.

Wrong, people do indeed sell their land to the govt. voluntarily.

If they refuse, then the concept of eminent domain applies and it's taken....for just compensation

Did you suddenly get as dumb as Joe?