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"Wishing all the best to a fine, principled, ethical man, who puts his (actually) Christian beliefs in action."

"Biden is an ethical man and a patriot."

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Wow, such a Christian! But seriously, that article illustrates exactly what 21st century Christianity is all about. Don't hate the messenger, liberals themselves are the ones who denounce the faith because they say Christians are terrorists. Those aren't my words, those are the words of prominent liberals.

Btw, that's only one example out of MANY that Biden and other prominent Dems have made that prove they are no better than Reps. Ignoring that fact just makes you part of the problem.

"I can still think offshoring was stupid and that we need to rebuild a manufacturing base here in the US. Doesn't mean I have to agree that tariffs are a good idea or a POTUS trying to bully corps into eating the cost of his reckless policy."

This is the problem with American politics, or at least the two-party system. Biden and Obama did nothing to solve the problem. They put band-aids on stuff just like Reps do but nothing was actually done to a) identify where the country can do better (efficiencies, FWA, etc.) and b) analyze incoming vs. outgoing and figure out what level of income is needed to ensure we have more than what is outgoing.

I loved when Obama campaigned on using a scalpel to go through government programs to identify all of the FWA. Liberals ABSOLUTELY loved it. But he never did it. Then DOGE comes along to do EXACTLY what Obama wanted and all of a sudden liberals completely disagree with doing it. When, in reality, we should ALL not care about who does it and just ensure SOMEONE does it. But the two-party system doesn't work like that. In fact, the two-party system has gotten so bad and corrupt that, even when billions in savings is realized, the party not doing it actually tries to get everyone to believe that those savings aren't actually beneficial. And I mean the real improvements. I'm not saying everything DOGE has done was done the right way or cause more expenses downstream than the fix. But there ARE still billions of dollars being saved that were 100% FWA and liberals are trying to convince this country that that is a bad thing (and DR can't deny it at all since you have actively put multiple articles on this site about this very topic).

So, when you say you agree with rebuilding manufacturing in America, then you are saying one of two things in your statement...a) you feel inaction is better than an action you do not agree with or b) you feel only your side should ever be the one who fixes anything, even when they don't. Either way, both of those options are why America never fixes anything anymore.

I was hoping to come to the comments to see balanced conversations, or at least some comments with logic. But, alas, it's just not possible on DR.

I think it's freaking hilarious that if you were to get rid of any partisan language at all, the detractors of this would seem Republic and the supporters would see Dem. The billions involved in the fluoride industry and the buddy-buddy system used to determine which companies profit from adding it to the water due to the government forcing it is right out of the Republican handbook...yet here we are, liberals doing everything they can to protect big business hypocritically because partisan politics is much more important to most of you than actually clinging to your principles.

Try to deny it. I can probably do 5 minutes of research on DR alone that would yield hundreds of examples of liberals demonizing every single legislation passed by Reps that mandate something and calling out the profits made by the companies who benefit from the mandates. Liberals didn't believe their own hypocrisy when Biden started mandating EV and EV infrastructure, mostly just ignoring how much money liberal-owned businesses were standing to make from the mandates. But here is another shining example that you can't deny.

But, going down the illogical rabbit hole liberals tend to go to when you call out their hypocrisy and they can't do anything to deny it, the most obvious rebuttal will be that liberals only do it when it's morally right...such as ensuring people get what they need for healthy teeth. But, the easy response to that is simple, you are FORCING it on people. You are removing freedoms from people because you feel it should be forced on them. Just like when Reps FORCE liberals to not be able to get abortions. You liberals whine and cry about that and say how it's the woman's body and the government shouldn't be able to control it. Well, welcome to inconvenient reality...it's my body so you forcing me to ingest something I don't want to ingest means you are trying to control my body.

Then, even more down the rabbit hole, liberals can say "Well, you can always drink bottled water and not be forced to drink the fluoride in tap water." Which is a double whammy on your side since 1) that also caters to big business and 2) that disproportionately negatively impacts lower income people.

So, please, enlighten us how this entire article and your viewpoint isn't the EXACT same thing Reps do. But because it is a Rep who supports it, you all of a sudden don't. Not because of any logic or principles, no. It's solely because your ego must be stroked at all costs and you can't stand when someone doesn't agree with everything you say and do.

Thus, saying your actions are not what is best for America is more accurate than any argument you have given so far. And this isn't an indictment of just Dems, this is both sides. It's just that this example is a shining one that exposes how bad partisan sheep are for this country.

No matter which side it is, it always makes me sad when one party demonized anything good that comes from the other party. America was never founded on this predication and anyone who celebrates it is just hurting everyone.

But my serious issue I have is with liberals and wanting to cheap prices in trade for worker oppression. This is exactly what liberals are mad with the China situation. Liberals are crying that prices are going to go up, which is true. But, the reason for it is solely because to produce things ourselves, it costs more. And it costs more due to labor. Labor isn't the only reason but it is such a significant portion of ANY costs of production that it will always be a factor. So, liberals are turning a blind eye to worker oppression in the name of cheap products. They don't seem to care about the lack of child labor laws, fair pay, worker conditions, etc. as long as it isn't happening in America. And that's just sad.

What makes it even harder to understand is that liberals have been on the "America is a rich nation" for quite a while now. Liberals say there is no reason we can't provide a living wage. There is no reason we can't provide a basic income. There is no reason we can't take care of illegals. Etc. Etc. So, if America is so rich that we can do all of this, why can't we absorb higher prices in the name of workers' rights? I don't like that costs have to go up but I'm willing to trade it to ensure the people making the products are treated humanely. And, while the situation may not be as exaggerated as some outlets make it out to be, China DOES oppress a very large portion of their manufacturing jobs. They work in conditions and for wages in which liberal heads would explode if America were doing it.

This is my only gripe with the tariff opposition that liberals have. You can make up all the excuses you want but, in the end, supporting China and the trade relations we have with them today means you are supporting kids working 12 hours a day, people sleeping in bunk-bed cots in tiny rooms between shifts, etc. This isn't made up. This is all real. Continue to ignore it all you want but if you feel we are rich enough to give everyone money for nothing, then you inherently agree that we are rich enough to spend a few more dollars on products (unless you actually realize that Biden already increased inflation so much that our rich wiggle room has run out).

"Immigrants have a higher rate of violent criminal activity than Citizens is an ideological purity test for Republicans."

Unfortunately, it's your own myopic, incorrect logic that is making that point. For Republicans, the idea is that if those illegals (remember, Reps are against illegals, not immigrants like you keep trying to incorrectly elude to) weren't here in the first place, the violent crimes wouldn't be committed. So, let's say Americans commit a random number of violent crime, like 10%. Then, you add in just 1% from illegals, that makes it 11%.

So, in a Rep's mind, whether you agree or not, the thinking is that the 1% wouldn't even exist if the illegals weren't here. There is no purity test or random, made-up litmus you try to put into the conversation just because of partisan hate and no real logic or anything. It's the simple fact that if illegal A, who committed rape and then killed a girl, weren't here...that crime never would have happened.

In essence, all liberals are doing is trivializing these violent crimes done by illegals. In fact, liberals fight waaaaaaaay more for the innocent person who may be arrested incorrectly than they do for getting rid of the illegal who committed rape, murder, etc. And this isn't even debatable, it's ALL OVER the media in every outlet, not just partisan outlets.

So, as usual with people who are blinded by partisan hate that they can't understand bad logic, you are making up an argument and then debating it yourself instead of actually listening to the other side, understanding where they are coming from, and then forming logical conclusions. In the 1990s, this was a huge problem with Reps. The pendulum has shifted very far to the left now.

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