Stone even admits he could have turned on Trump. That's some mafia -ish right there. Donald Trump is a criminal and the Republicans in Congress approve of this criminality.

Go see what BLM is actually about by looking at their website. They are a bunch of Marxist who hate the USA
#10 | POSTED BY PHINPHAN

I don't believe you've ever been to the BLM website or you have no idea what a marxist is.

It takes some twisted logic to believe that people protesting governmental abuse of power hate America when the country was founded by people protesting governmental abuse of power. Protestors are patriots who want a better America for everyone.

*psychiatric

I'd like to see companies be part of the solution. Instead of just firing someone how offer them the opportunity to undergo a psych eval combined mandatory anger management therapy and place them on a probationary period in which the employee is required to undergo period reassessment for their physiatric issues.

It's hard to believe the woman in these videos is the same who wrote the following back in march "this is especially for the leaders of the City of Scottsdale, a city that has more restaurants and public venues in a concentrated area than anywhere else in the state. The City of Scottsdale in particular also has a high concentration of at-risk residents over the age of 60. I am increasingly concerned about the safety and well-being of our city and its residents and the lack of decisive leadership that may cost us future economic prosperity."

Such a coward. Afraid of a phone.

These people are creepy. I've worked with people like this before and I'm pretty sure every one of them had committed a sexual assault at some point in their lives.

This was already the message coming from Missouri's fill-in, useless governor. He's basically punted all responsibility and has put it back on the people of the state. And like so many other GOP led states our numbers are skyrocketing since reopening business. It's already clearly a failed policy but it's also exactly what I would expect a failed president like Trump to adopt.

A rebrand could be a big money maker for them. I know a lot of baseball fans who would immediate buy up some Cleveland Spider merch even if they aren't fans of the team.

What treatment is Herman receiving? They giving him chloroquine? They hit him with a powerful light or inject him with some disinfectant?

*Anyone

Look on Googlemaps. The gates and entrances are clearly marked "No trespassing" and "private road." I don't think i would point a weapon at anyone unless I was firing, but if i were in that couple's shoes and a group trespassed"probably forecibly"while raising hell, I would make a show of force too.

#79 | POSTED BY E1G1

Anytime can put up a sign but it doesn't mean it's true

St. Louis City attorney Eric Banks speaking to our local NPR station here in St Louis "you cannot control the comings and goings of citizens on your private street. I don't care if you have gates there. I don't care if you have off-duty police officers as security. It's just not possible. That is a myth that the private street residents frequently want to put forth."

That comment is an opinion on how all private communities work based on a street you briefly lived on as a child. Interesting, but, in the overwhelming majority of gated communities, they own the streets and there are not public throughfares for people to travel. There are at utility easements, accessed by utility workers. A meter reader has to be legally allowed in. Protesters do not. Being all private property the HOA lawfully restricts travel at the entrances via remote gates, keyed gates, and/or security guards. HOA dues are often 10x higher than non-gated communities.

#67 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

My comment is based on a lifetime of experience living in St. Louis and frequently walking/running/biking through that very neighborhood and others like it. And I backed it up by a statement from a city attorney. This neighborhood isn't like most in the US. It's history goes back to the creation of Forest Park in the mid-late 19th century. Even the record on Portland-Westmoreland with the national register lists the neighborhood accessible to the public but with a restriction on vehicular travel.

"There is no evidence that anyone busted through the gate to enter the neighborhood as the McCloskeys claim."
You seem to be implying that, maybe the gate was left open, and then destroyed by the mob as they passed through?
I haven't seen it posted here, but McKlusky called the protesters on their reason for being there. The protesters had stated they intended to march to the Mayor's house. Apparently it was not reachable via the route they had taken through the McKlusky's neighborhood. Furthermore, the group that organized the event, "Expect US," has indicated that they intend to break laws and make people uncomfortable in their effort to create change.

#156 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm not implying anything. I clearly stated the pedestrian gate was open as it has been every single time I've ever walked that route over the years. Watch the video at the twitter link I provided.
Any claim that the Mayor's house is not reachable from Portland Pl is false. Lake Ave, the street that Mayor Krewson lives on, intersects with Portland Pl from the south. Then there is a sidewalk that leads 1 block to the north and Lake Ave resumes.

As for Expect US and other groups breaking minor laws and ordinances, yes, that is how protests usually work. Otherwise it's not really a protest now is it? What do you call people not disrupting normal day to day activities and not making people think about injustice? That's just everyday life and complacency. What do you think MLK, Ghandi, Rosa Parks and Mandela were arrested for? What do you think the purpose of was of the Singing Revolution, Tiananmen Square, Montgomery, Selma and Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the 68 olympics? They were breaking the rules and making people feel uncomfortable.

So, there is no real legal purpose for having a gated community? You're saying the public has a right to enter a gated community that clearly communicates that the general public is not allowed in? I can drive through, or enter in some way any gated community I want and when confronted by the landowner, private security or even the police, I can just tell them "It's an easement. I have a right to use this property"?
Is that what you're saying?
#162 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's not a "gated community". It's a gated street to restrict the flow of vehicular traffic. You walk about half way up that street and you'll find a sidewalk that connects the neighborhood to the next street over. Pedestrian traffic is allowed. There are hundreds of such streets throughout St. Louis. See my previous comments, especially #89.

Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open.
#143 | POSTED BY MODER8

Here is the video of the group arriving at the open gate and walking through. You can hear and already armed Mr. McCloskey start yelling at them from his porch almost immediately when they enter through the gate. You can also see that the group was traveling up the sidewalk and the street and was not heading towards the house.

Johnny H: I read that in fact a gate had been ripped open. And according to the same news reporter (I think CNN) who was marching with the group, there were a few among them who were armed with guns. Also, having a large group walking in the direction of my house, even though they may simply march on by, is the same thing as having them walk "toward" my house for purposes of a large group of people coming up the street.
If the white couple is to be condemned for coming out front with their guns, then out of fairness it is important to give a balanced view of what all was transpiring. I think many liberals in their haste to castigate that white couple are willfully overlooking some important details.

#143 | POSTED BY MODER8

There is no evidence that anyone busted through the gate to enter the neighborhood as the McCloskeys claim. The gate was at some point damaged but not when the group entered. Perhaps it occured when people were trying to exit area after they were confronted by two armed crazy looking people. Perhaps it was damaged by the McCloskeys to create a cover story. No one knows at this point. What is for certain though is that video from the march clearly shows the gate was open and intact when the group entered through it.
As for guns, again the only claim I've heard that anyone among the protestors were armed was from the McCloskeys who are already on record making a false statement about the group busting down the gate in order to enter. I have heard someone inaccurately claim that video from the scene appears to show a protestors with a gun. What the person claimed was a gun was actually part of a video camera.
I believe I am giving them a balanced view out of fairness. They legit may have been fearful. They legit may have believed they can dictate who can walk on the street and sidewalk in the neighborhood. That still does not give them justification for pointing deadly weapons at people who are lawfully assembled. They appear to have broken the law and the St. Louis DA should be and is examining the situation to determine if charges should be pressed against them or any of the protestors.
I believe that everything I have claimed so far is based on the facts and that their story doesn't fit the facts.

Now I could speculate based on additional facts, such as this protest and it's route was planned in advance and publicized via local social media. And that in the same video that shows the group walking through the unlocked, undamaged gate that it appears the McCloskey's may have already been outside with their guns on the ready at the moment the protestors arrived.

Illegally traveling, but trespassing is not sufficient grounds alone for that response to be legal.
#32 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

#28 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce Do tell what that "peaceful group" was shouting. Oh, you forgot that crap.
#29 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

They weren't shouting anything at the McCloskey's until they were threatened with violence. Do you believe you have the legal right to point guns at people who are legally traveling down your street/sidewalk?

If I lived in a gated community (which I don't) and I saw a large crowd of people break open the gate and start marching down the street toward my house, and I heard them chanting, and I saw that a few of them appeared to be armed... I don't know.
#133 | POSTED BY MODER8

They didn't break open the gate, they didn't march towards anyone's house and I've seen no evidence that any of them were armed but even if they were, open carry is legal in St Louis.

I have to say, DOCNJO's post describes it pretty much exactly as the news I heard reported it. They didn't [...] anyone but they had a perfect right to protect themselves from an angry mob.
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI

Doc and the news you heard is wrong. There was no forced entry as Doc claims. This was a lawful and peaceful protest. The people involved would have simply passed by the McCloskey's house without a word said to them just as they did with all of the other houses they passed on their way to protest at the Mayor's home had the McCloskey's not threatened them with deadly weapons and suppressed their civil rights. Even though Portland Place's road and sidewalks are privately maintained they are still public thoroughfares for pedestrian traffic. The McCloskey's had no right to attempt to restrict them from taking that route.

Y2K FINALLY STRIKES!

Why were these people walking up and down these roads in a neighborhood in the first place?
What was their purpose anyway?

#94 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I didn't know HOA private roads are meaningless.
Thanks for the info.

#91 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I'm not saying that the same everywhere. Just telling you how it is here in St Louis