I remember stories questioning whether herd immunity is even going to be a viable thing due to a prevalence of reinfection.
#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

The biggest concern in regard to reinfection is that it could increase transmission rates to those who have not already been infected. We all get reinfections frequently but they are typically cleared out quickly. Noticeable symptoms, if any, are typically very mild. Those with weaker memory b-cell response may experience somewhat more illness upon reinfection than the rest of of us but typically nothing serious.

"The order comes hours after GM announced plans to build critical-care ventilators with Ventec Life Systems at one of the automaker's component plants in Indiana.
The order does not change General Motors' previously announced plans or schedule to produce the ventilators, according to GM spokesman Jim Cain."

So this order does nothing? Sounds like Trump is just trying to take credit for something GM was already doing.

Why? Trump just said yesterday that he doesn't believe hospitals need extra ventilators. They are fine with two per hospital he said.

Could have sworn there was all this hand wringing that we weren't being told what to do, that there was "no plan" .....
Yet here we are .... .

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Yet here we are indeed. And just where are we? We are at the point where we now have more than 100K cases and are leading the world in both active and total infections. Is this what Trump wanted America to be #1 at? We are at the point this week where my company is now finally allowed to run tests in our own labs which means our healthcare workers will actually be able to be tested after exposure and not just have to resort to taking a precautionary 14 day quarantine. Hopefully it means that we will be able to rapidly increase the number of tests we administer so the reported number of cases might actually start to match the reality.

It's about time that the White House has FINALLY done something other than downplay, call it a hoax and lie about having it under control. My company was finally allowed to run tests in our own labs this week which means our healthcare workers will actually be able to be tested after exposure and not just have to take a mandatory 14 days off work. It also hopefully means that we will be able to rapidly increase the number of tests we administer so the reported number of cases might actually start to match the reality.

Not only are we selling badly needed American made equipment to other countries but Trump's tariffs against China continue to disrupt US providers access to healthcare equipment. The Health Industry Distributors Association warned them in 2018 before the tariffs were still under discussion that products on the list are critical components of our nation's response to public health emergencies and then in Congressional testimony in 2019 stated "Tariffs on critical health care products put a risk to our nation's public health preparedness."

Trump is lying when he says things like it snuck up and no one could have expected this.

couldn't the argument be made that we gutted such things so we can afford a real crisis such as this one?
#3 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If you're going to try to make that argument then you have to explain how cutting assistance programs ties back to to increasing readiness for such a crisis? Not an easy case to make considering that Trump/GOP have been cutting healthcare, emergency services & research budgets. You would also need to explain how blowing up the budget deficit by giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans has made us better prepared for a crisis.

the "service that's in demand" is demanded by... the government.
The comedy writes itself.

#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy."
Oscar Wilde

the thread quotes trump, andrea. how is it a lie?

#6 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Because everything Trump says is a lie?

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce Test? Why not the infected as a sample pool. We do not have 90 days to run a test. Besides do you want to be in the control group if you were infected?

So let's assume we go that route and we run a test on 1000 infected patients, no control group. We are just going to compare our results to the overall results seen in the region in which we are running the test.
Of those 1000, 700 of them are instructed to self-quarantine at home and 300 are hospitalized. 200 are on heart medication, 100 on antidepressants, 75 take insulin, 50 are medical marijuana users, and another 100 take some other prescription. 50 of them have drug convictions within the past decade. 80 are severely obese, 600 are men, 400 are women, 600 are white, 200 are black, 200 are hispanic and another 100 are of various other or mixed raced. The test finds the condition cleared up on 150 patients much faster than average, 400 somewhat faster, 200 average, 150 slower than average, 50 much slower than average and 50 died which is 5X more than anticipated.

What findings can we draw from this result?

So that's what you've got. You think my greatest fear is Trump gets re-elected? My greatest fear is that more of my coworkers get infected and die like the nurse we lost to it this past week.

My greatest hope is that an treatment, whether it be chloroquine or otherwise, quickly passes trials and we are soon able to provide a safe and effective treatment to our patients. A President spreading misinformation doesn't achieve that because he hopes it might work doesn't achieve that goal. Ultimately maybe Trump's guess proves to be correct but that doesn't suddenly mean his recent statements are either accurate or responsible.

So again I ask, someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

Well what's a few thousand now compared to millions that less than 1% would still result in. Any delay is costing us lives. That's the justification you gave for Trump's misinformation, right? We must start executing the sick, right? We can even run an uncontrolled study on like 40 or so people to see if it works. That seems to be enough to provide sufficient evidence for the President to make a call on.

We do not have time, this is an epidemic. Any delay is costing lives.
#12 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

There are plenty of wild guesses we could take that might save lives. How about we start executing anyone who tests positive and burn their bodies. That could save the lives of others. Should the President suggest we do so?

My decision would be to not put out false information about things do not yet have any verifiable data on. My decision be to not tell lies about how the FDA already approved the drug for use for treatment of Covid-19. My decision would be to let the researchers do their jobs and not spread dangerous misinformation that could lead to hoard, price gouging and death by people who hear my misinformation. Would that not be the responsible action?

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce And what would you do? It's easy to be an arm chair quarter back.

So I say again,considering that we have no idea if Choroquine is "an effective prophylactic for the vulnerable", someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

I wish the new jobless claims data for the past week would be published. The House Dems and then Senate GOP are both playing the same old stupid partisan games while people are dying and a tsunami of negative trailing economic indicator news unlike the world has ever seen is headed for shore. News of millions of newly unemployed people and who knows how how many now shuttered businesses will hopefully provide the incentive the partisans need to suddenly find focus and address the needs of the masses instead of special interests.

All attendees were given Chloroquine so I'm sure it's fine.

Here is the unpleasant truth, government can not control everything,
#6 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Yeah, everyone knows that. But Government officials can control what they say and do and the public should be expected to hold them responsible for their words/actions when they are not in the public interest.

So I say again,considering that we have no idea if Choroquine is "an effective prophylactic for the vulnerable", someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

Meanwhile in St Louis.

"Trump did not pull the hopeful drug therapy from thin air"
Did someone claim he did? But what he did pull out of the air is that the FDA has already approved the drugs use as a treatment for Covid-19.
"The FDA has been so great. They " they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it, they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states."

"the news came out of Germany and Italy."
We know. We heard Dr. Fauci too and we also heard him downplay the significance of the reports because it's a very small sample size and has not been done conducted as part of controlled studies. You know, science.

"As far as clinical trials, we do not have time. It takes months we do not have."
This is a lie. Controlled trials are already underway and the FDA has processes to fast track approvals as well as expanded access/compassionate use exceptions.

"Chloroquine is not without risk...Choroquine is toxic, dosage is the difference between therapeutic and fatal."

Then why did the President not say that? Can you list a single positive result that was likely to come about from him mentioning it at this time? What was his statement ever going to achieve other than creating false hope, hoarding/price gouging and risky use by unqualified people like the man and wife in this story? Why did he specifically mention this drug out of the dozens of compounds that are currently being evaluated as possible treatments. Sure would be interesting to see his financial statements to find out if he has any investments in companies that could benefit from this sudden surge in demand/price.

Someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

At first I just thought this was talking about Trump's speeches.

The latest rumor is that Gen-X is a hoax.

#6 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Can Confirm.

Nice!

So Paul possibly exposed not only other senators, but also the people serving him food. Those people may now be exposing others throughout the facility.
As I said the other day, all legislative bodies across the country need to immediate enact plans to allow the work of lawmakers to continue remotely. The speed of our national response may depend on it.

In addition to the economic impact of these layoffs, the potential exists that they further the healthcare crisis. Without swift, bold action from governments, many of these people and their families may be forced to move back home with parents/grandparents thus increase the risk of exposure for the older higher risk demographic.

Trump could immediately lift his tariffs on all medical supplies which would cut the cost on some supplies by as much as 25% and would allow US healthcare providers to bid on resources on a level playing field with other nations.

Trump has said his tariffs are supposed to result in bringing manufacturing of goods back to the US. It has failed to do so as of yet and is now contributing to a worsening national health and security crisis. Lift the tariffs now!