He and his wife's parenting focus has always been around values that have nothing to do with politics - honesty, integrity, courteous, generosity, etc.

#182 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-09-12 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:
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Curious, what are the values of supporting a conman, racist, lying, felon, rapist, insurrectionist?

Holier than thou is a phrase. It means you feel you are morally superior to everyone else.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger

I am objectively morally superior to you fuckwit.

Twoothy,
Nobody buys your holier than thing you've got going on.

#172 | Posted by BellRinger at

since I am an atheist your attempted insult is actually a non-sequitur

His dad is a police officer.

#173 | Posted by BellRinger a

Police officers can't be magat scum?

Gee, you're dumb.

you've never come clean for trying to out the identity of a poster here.
THAT is the integrity you possess.
#162 | Posted by eberly
You've been trying to get my identity for years.
THAT is the integrity you possess.
#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Gee thanks speaks for forcing me to see that useless turds lying post.

Hey eb, how did I try to out a poster here when all I did was post the information he posted here, on the DR, for all to see?

Please explain, but realize I won't be reading your boring boring bullshit

some more on the dad

pictures show him with magatesque symbols like a black American flag and assault gear.

What are the odds his father is magat scum, who taught his kids to love guns and killing and enacting violence against his enemies.

Maybe he was radicalized by Laura Loomer

All you really need to do is.. to go fuck yourself, cunt.

White
Male
Son of Preacher/Sheriff
Mormon Utah
Parents registered republican
Family members in military
Raised immersed in gun culture
Pictures, from a young age wielding guns

From the NYT: Unfired cartridges found with the gun that officials say was used to kill Charlie Kirk were engraved with a variety of messages, the authorities said on Friday, including many that suggest a familiarity with antifascist symbolism and the insider slang of video games and online culture that pervade the lives of young Americans.
Many of the messages, described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah at a news conference announcing the arrest of Tyler Robinson, 22, adopt the flippant, sarcastic, in-jokey chatter often found on online message boards and in-game chats."

"The list of messages on the suspect's casings, as described by Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, include apparent references to online culture and gaming. "Up arrow, right arrow, and three down arrow symbols," as described by Cox, appears to refer to a sequence of moves on a controller that release a bomb in the video game Helldivers 2. Another engraving, "Notices bulges OWO what's this?" is a phrase used for trolling in online roleplay communities."

So, apparently a gamer and in broader terms-a troll

Now who do we know around here is a troll?

If he turns out to have been radicalized by leftwing propaganda, I will issue a public retraction.

Because I have far more integrity than you, by far

He appears to have been radicalized by the left. People who are considered "right wing" typically agree with Kirk's views on at least some, if not most, issues.

#150 | Posted by BellRinger a

You're an ignorant fucktard

So, yet again, rightwing scum commit violence and the president blames "radical leftists"

Fucking a

White sone of a preacher/sherriff, in mormon Utah, son of a registered republican, raised from a very young age on gun culture, father wears assault style clothing typical of right wing militia (not saying he is, just that he appears to exist in that space), father likely very magat friendly, shooter apparently an online gamer memer

You know, your typical antifa-eye roll

A California woman is facing six years in prison for allegedly registering her dog to vote and casting mail-in ballots in two elections
I was assured that this wasn't possible!
Good thing she turned herself in, and was the only such case that the state election officials never 'noticed'...

#13 | Posted by easy_meat at 2025-

Your evidence is that of voting fraud is that she was caught, arrested, tried, found guilty and is serving 6 years in prison.

This is your smoking gun?

Patently absurd to compare the single statements vs the constant vitriol spewed by Trump. Let alone the actual unjust actions he had taken against so many people

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#736 | Posted by boaz

Neither Obama or Biden governed like a third to half of the country were the enemy. That is indisputable. Both regularly used conciliatory and uniting language. Biden bent over backwards to invest in red states and red areas.

Trump objectively does not. He regularly demonizes anyone who disagrees with him, he is attacking blue areas, he is obviously intentionally trying to divide us.

You are objectively wrong to say Obama and Biden did not act like your president. You can disagree, even strongly with what they accomplished or attempted to accomplished, but they were enacting a vision that they viewed would benefit ALL Americans, again, like Biden sending the vast majority of CHIPS Act and Infrastructure investments to red areas. That is a fact. Trump does not do that, at all, in fact is actively attacking blue areas and moderate to left wing institutions. That also is a fact.

Please stop being pedantic about terminology, you know what I mean, Republicans have, for decades, been trying to use methods that disenfranchise whole swaths of people, yes Dems do it, but to a FAR less degree and certainly far less effectively. That does not make either right, but an actual reality to deal with.

Boaz, your recommendation is wholly impossible to implement. This is NOT the mid 19th century where political beliefs can generally be divided along regional lines. Yes conservatives are likely the majority in many states as are liberals in many states, but there are literally MILLIONS of conservatives in blue states and vice versa. You are advocating for essentially a permanent second class citizenship for millions of people. Either that or a disruption on a massive scale as millions of people flee from state to state. Simply a bad idea.

#736 | Posted by boaz

Neither Obama or Biden governed like a third to half of the country were the enemy. That is indisputable. Both regularly used conciliatory and uniting language. Biden bent over backwards to invest in red states and red areas.

Trump objectively does not. He regularly demonizes anyone who disagrees with him, he is attacking blue areas, he is obviously intentionally trying to divide us.

You are objectively wrong to say Obama and Biden did not act like your president. You can disagree, even strongly with what they accomplished or attempted to accomplished, but they were enacting a vision that they viewed would benefit ALL Americans, again, like Biden sending the vast majority of CHIPS Act and Infrastructure investments to red areas. That is a fact. Trump does not do that, at all, in fact is actively attacking blue areas and moderate to left wing institutions. That also is a fact.

Please stop being pedantic about terminology, you know what I mean, Republicans have, for decades, been trying to use methods that disenfranchise whole swaths of people, yes Dems do it, but to a FAR less degree and certainly far less effectively. That does not make either right, but an actual reality to deal with.

Boaz, your recommendation is wholly impossible to implement. This is NOT the mid 19th century where political beliefs can generally be divided along regional lines. Yes conservatives are likely the majority in many states as are liberals in many states, but there are literally MILLIONS of conservatives in blue states and vice versa. You are advocating for essentially a permanent second class citizenship for millions of people. Either that or a disruption on a massive scale as millions of people flee from state to state. Simply a bad idea.

#736 | Posted by boaz

Neither Obama or Biden governed like a third to half of the country were the enemy. That is indisputable. Both regularly used conciliatory and uniting language. Biden bent over backwards to invest in red states and red areas.

Trump objectively does not. He regularly demonizes anyone who disagrees with him, he is attacking blue areas, he is obviously intentionally trying to divide us.

You are objectively wrong to say Obama and Biden did not act like your president. You can disagree, even strongly with what they accomplished or attempted to accomplished, but they were enacting a vision that they viewed would benefit ALL Americans, again, like Biden sending the vast majority of CHIPS Act and Infrastructure investments to red areas. That is a fact. Trump does not do that, at all, in fact is actively attacking blue areas and moderate to left wing institutions. That also is a fact.

Please stop being pedantic about terminology, you know what I mean, Republicans have, for decades, been trying to use methods that disenfranchise whole swaths of people, yes Dems do it, but to a FAR less degree and certainly far less effectively. That does not make either right, but an actual reality to deal with.

Boaz, your recommendation is wholly impossible to implement. This is NOT the mid 19th century where political beliefs can generally be divided along regional lines. Yes conservatives are likely the majority in many states as are liberals in many states, but there are literally MILLIONS of conservatives in blue states and vice versa. You are advocating for essentially a permanent second class citizenship for millions of people. Either that or a disruption on a massive scale as millions of people flee from state to state. Simply a bad idea.

#736 | Posted by boaz

Neither Obama or Biden governed like a third to half of the country were the enemy. That is indisputable. Both regularly used conciliatory and uniting language. Biden bent over backwards to invest in red states and red areas.

Trump objectively does not. He regularly demonizes anyone who disagrees with him, he is attacking blue areas, he is obviously intentionally trying to divide us.

You are objectively wrong to say Obama and Biden did not act like your president. You can disagree, even strongly with what they accomplished or attempted to accomplished, but they were enacting a vision that they viewed would benefit ALL Americans, again, like Biden sending the vast majority of CHIPS Act and Infrastructure investments to red areas. That is a fact. Trump does not do that, at all, in fact is actively attacking blue areas and moderate to left wing institutions. That also is a fact.

Please stop being pedantic about terminology, you know what I mean, Republicans have, for decades, been trying to use methods that disenfranchise whole swaths of people, yes Dems do it, but to a FAR less degree and certainly far less effectively. That does not make either right, but an actual reality to deal with.

Boaz, your recommendation is wholly impossible to implement. This is NOT the mid 19th century where political beliefs can generally be divided along regional lines. Yes conservatives are likely the majority in many states as are liberals in many states, but there are literally MILLIONS of conservatives in blue states and vice versa. You are advocating for essentially a permanent second class citizenship for millions of people. Either that or a disruption on a massive scale as millions of people flee from state to state. Simply a bad idea.

#736 | Posted by boaz

Neither Obama or Biden governed like a third to half of the country were the enemy. That is indisputable. Both regularly used conciliatory and uniting language. Biden bent over backwards to invest in red states and red areas.

Trump objectively does not. He regularly demonizes anyone who disagrees with him, he is attacking blue areas, he is obviously intentionally trying to divide us.

You are objectively wrong to say Obama and Biden did not act like your president. You can disagree, even strongly with what they accomplished or attempted to accomplished, but they were enacting a vision that they viewed would benefit ALL Americans, again, like Biden sending the vast majority of CHIPS Act and Infrastructure investments to red areas. That is a fact. Trump does not do that, at all, in fact is actively attacking blue areas and moderate to left wing institutions. That also is a fact.

Please stop being pedantic about terminology, you know what I mean, Republicans have, for decades, been trying to use methods that disenfranchise whole swaths of people, yes Dems do it, but to a FAR less degree and certainly far less effectively. That does not make either right, but an actual reality to deal with.

Boaz, your recommendation is wholly impossible to implement. This is NOT the mid 19th century where political beliefs can generally be divided along regional lines. Yes conservatives are likely the majority in many states as are liberals in many states, but there are literally MILLIONS of conservatives in blue states and vice versa. You are advocating for essentially a permanent second class citizenship for millions of people. Either that or a disruption on a massive scale as millions of people flee from state to state. Simply a bad idea.

#685 | Posted by boaz

Your missing my point boaz.

I agree that the rethoric on both sides is destructive. to argue who started it first is a pointless exercise, neither side will accept the responsibility

What I am saying is that there is literally one person who can change the course of our division.

No matter what you say Obama and Biden did not act anywhere near how Trump acts.

They acted like president of ALL of us and certainly far more than Trump does.

I know you won't accept that simple fact but it is true. Neither Obama or Biden, ON A DAILY BASIS, spoke with the way Trump does of his opposition.

I challenge you to post links to Obama or Biden speaking or acting in the way Trump does with his constant verbal and social media attacks, personal lawsuits against media companies, sending or threatening to send the military into cities controlled by the other party, etc. Trump's words and actions are FAR worse than ANYTHING Obama or Biden ever did.

I am not saying ordinary liberals and dems aren't using similar rhetoric, I freely admit I do

But I have no power, Trump does.

Trump can govern like a conservative, I would not like it, but I argue that we need a normal president.

He can enact all sorts of conservative policies, that is not the central problem right now.

The problem is that the man with by far the most power in our country does not govern like a conservative, he governs like madman authoritarian. He is attacking free speech (far far far more than any dem president has ever), he is suing or threatening media companies, law firms, universities and corporations to his will through the use or threat of use of the full power of the federal government (That is not conservatism), he is extorting businesses to either give him a cut or a stake in their companies-that is LITERAL communism. He is shipping ordinary people to concentration camps or warzones without trial, he is sending or threatening to send federal troops into blue cities over nothing AND SO MUCH MORE.

This is not normal, this is not how our politics have or should run.

The problem is that Trump does not govern like he is the President of all of us, he governs like the entire population are his subjects.

You will argue Obama and Biden did the same but you would be fooling yourself.

And with all that power Trump has he could, easily change the course for our nation. He could govern like he is a President, not a king, for the ENTIRE country and THAT means compromise and RESPECT.

Nothing that dems or liberals could do right now could effect the necessary change in our politics like he could. I would argue that we are in the place we are in because the democrats have been pitiful in responding to the non-stop attack on democracy that has been going on for decades-fox news propaganda, Newt Gingrich, Bush and his wars, McConnell and his efforts to make Obama a 1 term president and on and on. Dems have been pathetic in responding to this onslaught

And ever since Trump came down those escalators in 2015 he has accelerated that anti-democratic program like nothing before. He has broken norms beyond count, he has cowed the republican party and put dangerous people in his government. These people do not care about the constitution, ANY of it, they see no constraints on what they can do. That SHOULD scare even you.

And Trump could LITERALLY become one of America's greatest presidents if he led us out of this. It won't be smooth, but I think it would be a lot easier that people think. All he would need to do is STOP treating anyone who disagrees with him as enemies of the people or vermin, to STOP acting like a dictator,

Govern like a conservative not a dictator.

Blood is on the hands of Trump, the gun lobby and every member of Congress who supports them. I have fought them and won before. I'll do it again."

You don't think that those people/groups aren't even partially responsible for school shootings?

Donald Trump was the antidote to the divisiveness of Obama.

#648 | Posted by BellRinger

How can you take anything this poster says seriously?