I want some.

Where do I apply?

Zed,

"You were encouraged to believe that it was existential."

No...you've been brainwashed into believing breaking the law is just fine and there should be no consequences.

Democratic leaders constantly use guilt, shame, and moral posturing to shape how people think about immigration.

And you fell for it.

Zed,

Care to deny any of these are contributing to an immigration crisis?

Zed,

"Immigration was never a crisis."

It becomes one when border enforcement is lax for years while millions enter or remain illegally and we pretend the system can absorb it indefinitely.

It becomes one when sanctuary policies interfere with local and federal law enforcement.

It becomes one when cities begin struggling with overcrowded shelters, schools, overburdened healthcare systems and other financial stress.

It becomes one when people who followed the legal immigration process watch others just bypass it with little or no consequences.

It becomes one when criticism of immigration policy is automatically labeled racist just to shut down discussion.

And it becomes one when politicians use the issue for political advantage instead of creating realistic, enforceable solutions.

Zed,

What do I exaggerate about?

Be specific.

Snoofy,

"How did you personally come to believe that immigration is bad for America?"

You stepped over the line and lied.

I never said "immigration is bad for America."

Me and you are done on this thread.

Zed,

"Americans are not meant to live this way."

I don't know how much exaggeration is in your last post.

Some is to be expected.

In any case, it's not like Trump will be in office like Castro or Putin year after year.

ICE has a legitimate mission.

Democrats didn't want to see how their open border policy was going to backfire.

Very unfortunate.

I understand why people would want to come here.

Zed,

Paranoia?

You'll have to explain that.

It doesn't apply to me, so do explain who you mean and what are they being paranoid about.

I see unrealistic fears, on both sides, being spread to manipulate society all the time.

You have to be more specific.

Zed,

"Maybe I should have thought about the chances of fascist oppression against EVERYONE because people like BILL wet their panties over an issue that was never more than a mid-level problem?"

How crass.

Reducing opinions to "wet their panties" suggests you have nothing meaningful to add beyond insults.

Snoofy,

"You can't think of a single harm that was caused by what you allege."

I never said that.

There are all sorts of terrible consequences as a result of lax border enforcement.

I've said before I'd support a fast track to citizenship for vetted and qualified immigrants to expedite those who have lived here and are good contributing members of society.

I hate to hear some of the stories. It's terrible.

It's unfortunate this problem has been mismanaged for so long.

But the answer isn't to ignore the problem now which is essentially all I'm seeing from anti-ICE protestors who just want to continue the status quo of letting people live here without proper documentation.

Democrats even want them to be able to vote. Ridiculous.

Zed,

"Let me guess: It's unhinged."

It's probably going on 70 years old and falling apart.

My wife likes it so I have to repair it.

Snoofy,

Not feeling like a rambling conversation today.

I have screen door to work on.

Zed,

"The consequences are desrtuctive and much worse than the problem."

Maybe you should have thought about that first before supporting a party that was flying people in from other countries.

Zed,

"You don't have to wait for that to have an opinion."

I do have an opinion, for whatever good it does.

I think it's sad how America effectively rolled out the red carpet for people to enter the country illegally.

The Biden administration encouraged it, and now many Democrats are angry about the consequences that followed.

We should have continued the wall Trump started during his first term and stayed the course on border enforcement.

By all means, come to America, but go through the proper legal channels.

And this has nothing to do with race. The Hispanic community includes many good, hardworking, God centered people.

So stop with "racist" label every time someone supports immigration enforcement.

There's my opinion.

Et,

There are active court cases right now over some ICE enforcement tactics and the use of administrative warrants.

Until the courts fully sort out where the constitutional limits are, ICE will likely continue operating under the government's current interpretation of the law.

You raise valid constitutional concerns, but those issues are ultimately going to be decided through the courts.

jerks...so much for spell check.

Fiend,

No. I took advantage of opportunities and with a spirit of helping others, I improved my life.

Not all people I worked for were Jenks.

Now I'm retired and have a peaceful life, I am grateful to God for.

God might provide opportunities, but I did the work.

Db,

"rather than responding to questions you've prompted."

I've been insulted all my life. Comes with being a gay person.

My parents rejected me and it was ugly crap.

The military was horrible and pushed me out for being gay. The process was awful.

My career I have helped so many companies with their accounting and endured so much from them. It was usually a few months so I just took it. Most of the time I'm finding stuff people do wrong.

May last job was hell. There was the usual owners son who is so often an a%%. I am really quite gifted doing the work I did.

So...I come on here and take crap from ------ who are so brain washed it's pathetic.

If I feel like leaving....I leave.

Here I don't have to put up with it.

Db,

Good thing I'm not admin.

Speak,

You don't understand that a gathering like this isn't praying to Trump.

Trump is the last thing on their minds.

You got something you want to say to me?

How DARE taxpayers pray during a gathering!

Fiend,

I'm dropping out of this nonsense.

Let the experts talk among themselves.

Db,

What does linking to scripture have anything to do with ICE, the Constitution or amendments?

Doc,

"Probably not what you think it says."

No doubt neither does the 4th.

Snoofy,

How about the 2nd Amendment? What does it say?