Db,

"You'd be surprised how close we are to the same conclusion"

And what is that?

Corky,

"BJ seems to have missed that most people now don't approve of the direction that this country is taking"

I'm well aware a lot of people are discontented.

But they're discontented for different reasons.

(part 2)

We've now been married more than 40 years.

We're more in love than ever.

She loves me intensely. My heart hurts when I look at her. To think what I almost never had.

I have a life because of her.

And when I look back over all of it, God is so intertwined in my life that I can see He was always there somewhere, often working through people who appeared at exactly the time I needed them.

A pastor who overheard a lost kid talking in a restaurant.

A friend who helped me get into college.

Another man who packed up my belongings and moved me to another state.

And then my wife.

My career worked out too. I eventually went from being a high-school dropout who got kicked out of the Navy to teaching at a college. I taught accounting and network operating systems. I enjoyed teaching. It was one of the more rewarding things I ever did. God provided opportunities, but I had to do the work.

We bought and paid for a nice house.

Now I'm retired comfortably.

I'm not rich, but I'm comfortable.

You never know what's right around the corner.

A few months after retiring, I fell and messed up my hip. Now I walk with a cane.

Would have been nice if God had pointed out the icy sidewalk to me.

Being a Christian doesn't mean bad things won't happen to you. Sometimes the bad things are where you discover whether your faith is authentic.

Sometimes it's okay to get mad at God. That's because you still believe He's there and you just feel let down by Him. We are only human.

It's when you stop getting angry, stop talking to Him, and simply give up on God that you should be concerned.

Look at my life.

One other thing...

People have told me I denied my "true self."

You're gay. You should be out. You shouldn't be married to a woman.

But think about that.

I am living my true self.

My married life is my true self.

I'm living my values.

And one last thing.

Remember, back in the mid-70s I lived with that MCC pastor. I was young and still trying to figure out who I was and what I believed.

I asked him one day:

"Is being gay a sin?"

His answer has stayed with me all these years.

He said,

"It's a sin to live the wrong life."

That was his answer.

So, Db, that's my testimony.

I'm not saying I believe my life is better than non-Christians but I wouldn't want it any other way.

When I look back, I believe God was there.

He was always with me.

I believe He still is.

Db,

"You should be able to tell us proudly how, as a Christian, you exhibit a better life than non-Christians, as a testament to your faith."

Ok...actually I can give you my testimony. But a much more summarized version.

I joined the Navy at 17 after dropping out of high school.

I was kicked out of Navy in 1975.

While I was in the Navy, my dad divorced my mom and remarried a woman with two young boys. I was a supreme disappointment to my dad. His new sons were perfect for him. His new wife's family wanted me to stay away because I'd been kicked out of the Navy.

I never saw my dad again in my 20s. He never met my wife or his grandchildren.

Actually, to be honest, I was the one who kept everyone apart .

He had never really been a father to me. As a child he mostly ignored me. I was an only child. Dad was in the Army and we moved every couple of years or so, four times in the middle of a school year.

Enough of that.

The point is, by the time I got out of the Navy, I felt pretty much rejected by my parents and the military.

I ended up in a very big city without a penny to my name.

A guy I had met offered to buy me a meal at a restaurant. We were sitting there talking and I was telling him I had nowhere to go and didn't know what I was going to do.

A church pastor overheard me.

He walked over to me, a complete stranger, and offered me a room in his home with him and his partner.

He was a pastor with MCC.

There was no ulterior motive. They helped me get a job at the bathhouse I've talked about before. Another friend later helped me get enrolled in college after I got my GED.

The gay life wasn't for me.

I liked men, but the life I saw around me seemed to revolve around everybody sleeping around. The gay men I knew cheated on their partners. I met lots of people. I was unusually tall and good looking. I had "friends."

But I was still lonely.

Then I met a guy from another state. Talked over the phone. Exchanged photos. He got a trailer, drove to where I was, loaded up my stuff and moved me to where I live now.

That turned out to be another blessing.

He was gay too. He eventually became a Mormon and moved to Utah. We've stayed in touch all these years, although we've never seen each other again.

I started college at my new residence (big city to smaller city) location and got a part-time job.

That's where I met my wife.

We became fast friends. We even went to gay bars together.

It was about a year before we slept together.

My first time with a girl.

WOW.

But she still wasn't a guy.

We got married.

After I got married, I stopped messing around with men and haven't since.

Yeah...I still miss it sometimes.

What can you do?

You appreciate what you have and go on.

My wife was a Christian. She had attended church as a child with her parents.

When she was eight months pregnant with our first child, she and I were crossing a busy street.

I had just about reached the curb on the other side when I heard a car screech.

I looked to my left and briefly saw a headlight fly past behind me. Then I saw my wife twirling through the air and landing on the other side of two lanes of traffic.

Sure would have been nice if God had made us walk a little faster.

Or if my wife had kept up with me.

But she was eight months pregnant and ready to deliver.

That's life.

We came through it, and actually we became even closer. I knew how much I loved her.

Tragedy can bring people closer together. The baby was fine.

(part 1)

Clown,

I'm sure I am.

Db,

You are a piece of work.

You throw sand in someone's face, call them names, tell them they're a bad person, and then ask, "why won't you play with me?"

"Because you are threw sand in my face and you behave badly."

Then you tell other kids, "don't play with him...he's a complete idiot"

So who exactly is the problem here??

I didn't bring up mail in ballots.

Someone else did.

Eb,

When I look back at issues on which my views differed from prevailing opinions on this site, I often find that public policy eventually moves in my direction.

The border. Transgender issues. And now mail-in voting.

The USPS has now finalized a rule requiring states to provide a list identifying every voter scheduled to receive a mailed ballot and place unique tracking barcodes on both the outgoing and return envelopes.

The rule would apply nationwide to mailed ballots used in federal elections.

It originated with one of Trump's executive orders. The rule is currently blocked by federal injunctions, and the administration has asked the Supreme Court to allow it to take effect.

The rule would not turn every mail-in ballot into a traditional absentee ballot or require every voter to apply for one. However, it would require every mailed ballot to be part of an identified, voter-specific tracking system much closer to the way traditional absentee ballots are handled.

The system would provide better information for reconciling the number of ballots mailed and returned, tracking their progress and identifying ballots that were lost or otherwise unaccounted for.

It does not adopt everything I have advocated, but it moves substantially in that direction. The concerns I raised were not nearly as unreasonable as people claimed.

If the Supreme Court allows the rule to take effect, states will have only a small window in which to comply with the new requirements.

I hope they are already working on it.

Snoofy,

*"Like most Evangelical Christians, Westboro Baptist Church exists to annoy people around them."*

Who even talks about Westboro anymore except a desperate troll with nothing of value to contribute?

Do you seriously think Westboro represents evangelical Christianity?

Db,

"Lots of people seem to think Jesus spoke like the KJV."

I don't know who those people are.

No one I know believes that. It's understood to be a translation.

Besides, Christianity doesn't have an official language. And it certainly wouldn't be seventeenth-century English.

Laura,

"You know if you're minding your own business in said community. You won't be bothered by the call to prayer that these mosques are airing"

Minding your own business works both ways.

You're saying I should not offend them and just mind my own business?

What else could you be implying?

Their rights are more important than mine?

They should want to not offend people around them.

Dan,

"Bill, if you understood math, you'd realize there are more people who have a problem with it who DON'T live in Dearborn, than have a problem with it who DO live in Dearborn."

Probably true.

Mathematically there are VASTLY more people not living in Dearborn than who do.

If you played the attached video to this thread, I suspect it's going to go viral now that the Pastor brought attention to the city.

The Pastor was very articulate and not out of line in his request.

Then in the video a citizen who had personal experience said he hopes the FBI and other federal agencies come into Dearborn and investigate law enforcement and the bias given towards Muslims and against everyone else.

That video was effective.

And like you said, there are a LOT more people not in Dearborn who are going to learn about the city and the Pastor and be convinced this is an actual concern America should think about.

Dan,

I see people pick it up these days but never used to years ago.

People thought nothing of leaving piles in someone's yard.

Why are they picking it up now?

A city ordinance was passed.

Dan,

"walking my dog today"

Do you pick up the doggy doody?

Dan,

"So should a Jew who just bought a house be able to tell the neighboring Christian Church NOT to ring its bells???"

They'd have to go through legal channels.

This is America.

From my experience, you never want to make requests from other neighbors.

It usually starts a neighbor conflict.

You have to go through legal channels and let law enforcement deal with it.

Dan,

"So should a Jew who just bought a house be able to tell the neighboring Christian Church NOT to ring its bells???"

I'm sure there's a lot more than one Jewish family being annoyed by it.

If a community has a problem with it, do something.

Most of them have probably gone silent by now.

People are quick to complain these days and many people have a sense of entitlement about every little thing.

Bells...I wouldn't want to want to hear it either in my home.

Pump,

"Just be a man and tune it out you ------- -------"

Americans? We are independent and most will not tolerate being put upon.

Has nothing to do with being a man.

It has to do with people work their tails off to buy a home and they want peace and quiet.

That's not unreasonable.

Redial,

You are right.

They rang a long time.

Where I live there was more than 1 church ringing bells.

I think it was only on Sunday.

Not any more.

Redial,

"I used to live next to a church and sometimes the bells would ring for a half hour."

Do they still?

Where I live about 30-40 years ago bells rang downtown.

They haven't in years.

Noise ordinances have gotten pretty strict.

Redial,

"Is it not the same idea?"

Not exactly. Church bells are generally brief signals.

The call to prayer is a spoken declaration of Islamic belief broadcast over loudspeakers, sometimes several times each day.

Imagine Christian churches deciding to broadcast a comparable declaration over outdoor loudspeakers several times a day.

"God is greatest. I testify that Yahweh is the one true God. I testify that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Come to prayer. Come to salvation. God is greatest. There is one God."

That is considerably different from the brief ringing of church bells.

Clown,

His insults were the least of my complaints about him.

He kept telling me how I felt or thought about things and he was always wrong. He even made judgement calls about my Christian identity.

He wasn't as smart about reading me as he thought he was. I think he was projecting a lot of his bias he has decided he knows about people.

That grew old. No...it grew boring.

There are posters here I have totally stopped communicating with and they totally stop communicating with me which is alright by me.

He can go that way as far as I'm concerned.

We'll just have to do without each other.

You never know. I'm a pretty easy person to get over stuff.

Snoofy,

If a child in Sunday School was being rude to the other kids, you can be sure they would be asked to leave.

Maybe that's the problem with liberals today.

Bad behavior has been tolerated for way too long.

Db,

You actually sound like you're reaching to understand and communicate with me.

However, you mix your posts with insults and judgment calls.

Tomorrow, I can't see myself wanting to respond to anything from you.

You need to work on your shtick.

Db,

"Just what's your problem anyway?"

People like you.

Let's not pursue this any further.

Db,

Typo..

I could go on but I won't.