Dan,

"You told Laura very specifically she would NOT be seeing you in heaven."

Twice you accused me of directly addressing Laura by judging and condemning her.

Do not tell lies about me.

I don't write that like.

Now kindly crawl back in your hole and leave me alone. I will not respond to your lies and accusations.

Dan,

"You told Laura very specifically she would NOT be seeing you in heaven."

Christian doctrine holds that if anyone is not "saved", they won't be in heaven.

It's very possible I wrote something similar to what you're saying depending on the context.

Frankly...I'm not 100% sure of anything so it's unlikely I'd make absolute statements.

But I don't make blanket judgements about individual people. I don't know anyone's background or history if perhaps they might be "saved".

That's not my call.

On 6-19-22 I wrote the following,

Dan,
"Like when you told Laura you wouldn't see her in the afterlife?"
Find that post and share it.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2022-06-19 07:26 PM

It seems you have made that accusation before. Did you find the post and share it like I asked?
Now's your chance. Christian doctrine does include the belief that anyone who is not "saved" is doomed in the afterlife. However, me specifically singling out Laura needs to be proven.

I don't make it a habit of singling anyone out saying they are "going to hell"

Hag,

No...Dan is lying.

Dan,

I'm not Catholic so I don't follow the Pope.

Dan,

"You basically told Laura Mohr she was going to hell."

I only said Jesus isn't an enabler.

Also, I prefer not to discuss one poster with another.

I am changing one word.

change "gift" to "offer".

It's not a gift in the sense we all think but it is an offer of salvation.

Being a gay Christian is a test of faith.

There are conservative Christians who have not yet come to terms with the idea of being a gay person who is also a Christian. Actually, I don't entirely believe liberals have either.

I think some liberals way of justifying the conflict is by discounting the sinful aspect of homosexuality in the Bible. They have decided homosexual behavior is not a sin and just a misinterpretation in the Bible.

True story.

After getting out of the Navy I had no where to go and was not yet 20. I had been in the Navy from the age of 17 to 19 and discharged for being a practicing homosexual.

Once I was sitting with a friend in a restaurant, who bought me lunch in a big city, and was talking about being unsure what to do with myself. I had no where to go and no parents to fall back on.

A Pastor of a MCC church (Metropolitan Community Church) in the 70's that was newly founded overheard me and walked over to me and started talking to me and offered me a room in his apartment with him and his lover. There never was anything sexual about it and he was genuinely offering to help me....a perfect stranger. He was rarely home and we talked when he was. His lover got me a job where I worked until I started college, thanks to the friend I met at that rally I talked about before who helped me get enrolled in classes after finding out I was a Veteran.

So...my point. The Pastor and I spent time talking. I don't think his views were exactly like what I hear from liberal Christian churches today. MCC was known in the 70's as a church that encourages gay people to continue with their walk of faith. There were few options in those days and the prevailing opinion was being gay and Christian were mutually exclusive. MCC was founded by a man who felt compelled to minister to gay people.

My point is I personally have handled the conflict not by denying homosexuality is a sin.

Instead....I have chosen to believe I am forgiven because I believe in Him and He died for my sins. I accept my sinful nature as just something that's part of me. I am a sinner. We're all sinners and can never stop feeling the way I feel. That's the whole point of Christianity....forgiveness.

I am forgiven and that applies to all people...gay or straight...who are willing to accept the gift of salvation in exchange for repentance. I choose to believe Jesus was God who came to earth and was the final sacrifice for all mankind for anyone who decides to believe it.

I don't agree with what I hear from some liberal churches that deal with the conflict by saying homosexuality isn't a sin. In the Bible it is.

Back to my first sentence....being a gay Christian is a test of faith.

I am pulled in different directions by different viewpoints anywhere from crazy preachers who spread their hatred of gays and liberals who spread their hatred of Christians.

I am a gay man who is also a sinner and a Christian and forgiven.

Snoofy,

Even today, if a person came up in a non-Christian family and converted they might find themselves at odds.

Snoofy,

Specifically, the "context" of the times was Jesus and His earliest followers had the Romans and the Jews who didn't approve of them.

Anyone who converted would be at odds with their families.

Snoofy,

"Context?"

People don't usually like being told they're a sinner.

The Bible makes a comparison of shining a light illuminating the evil around them.

I think that's one of the swords Jesus might have been referring.

Laura,

People have been discussing that for centuries who exactly was He.

Is Christianity a religion of war or peace?

Matthew 10:34-35,

"Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."

If this story is true he should be getting a visit from the police and informed he is not allowed to encourage violence (only politicians are allowed to do that).

This is not Christ-like and only serves to give people "see I told you so" ammo (so to speak).

Laura,

Don't believe all the liberal Christian churches that teach distorted ideas of unconditional love and acceptance.

They're teaching lies.

Laura,

"Jesus Christ would be hanging out with people like me."

Yea...and He'd tell them to acknowledge their sins and change their ways.

He wouldn't enable you supporting your beliefs.

Dan,

You're tried to preach on here before.

You're simple minded 2 dimensional views don't reach me.

Laura,

"Your so called Christian bigotry towards Trans Women/girls is duly noted."

I've been suspecting the motivation for stirring up all this trouble is just anti-Christian hatred.

Liberals are who started all this trouble with their absurd demands putting boys in girls locker rooms and now attacking women in sports.

They're getting just what they wanted....a culture war so they can play the victim....it's the only game they know.

But why are they doing this? What is driving them?

Their hatred for Christians is so strong and the reason for suing Christian bakers and now Laura is trying to frame the conversation to tie it to Christians.

Laura...you've revealed your true colors.

Joe,

"She needed an abortion and couldn't get one because of Republicans, you stupid ----."

Her water had broken.

What?

They should have chopped up the baby and sucked it out?

Bell,

I'm doing good to remember your name.

People should wear labels if they prefer distinctive forms of recognition contrary to the standard.

Bell,

"I try to be respectful but 'they/them' requires me to improperly conjugate verbs and stuff like zhe/zhi? I don't even know what that means."

I bet when these people go to Starbucks they get offended if the person waiting on them doesn't recall what they like.

As if I'm going to remember anyone's pronouns either.

Sent,

"apparently it's an automated script that runs every so often on this site"

I thought Rcade actually programmed this website.

Check out books under his name.

Goodreads lists 45 titles of programming books under his name.

Rcade,

"Seeing young'uns embrace their LGBT selves in ways he never imagined at age 20 is too much for him."

Apparently it's too much for you too considering you felt compelled to delete occurances of the q word in quotes.

Yav,

In the 70's I marched in the streets and wore my lambda and triangle buttons.

Actually it was at one of these rallies I met a man I might could have.....fond memories....remember him very well...he gave me so much and changed my life.

But I wasn't mature enough and I moved away.

It wasn't an overnight thing but took years to find myself involved with a woman.

Of course I do wonder....

Over the years I met men who left the gay lifestyle for a woman and later divorced and later regretted it.

It's not all so cut and dry.

This "queer" generation think they understand it all but they don't.

Laura,

"You want out and proud to suffer because you are such a horrible coward."

No...I want to see gay people be left alone and not be subjected to open hostility by straights like previous generations always had to fear.

That's doesn't necessarily mean gay couples or individuals will be invited, accepted or even liked by all straight people...but at least be left alone.

As this article put it, "Live and let live".

The same would apply to straights who want to live and left live (in order words...leave me alone too)

Snoofy,

"Wouldn't this also apply to Trump?"

Weren't all the polls showing Hillary to win except for 1 poll don't remember who it was.