If a store increases their prices by 150% but later reduces that increase to a lower price (but one that is still higher than the original price), is it really a price reduction?

Do you celebrate that price reduction?

Do you give credit to the store for making that price reduction?

BOTTOM LINE:
1. The Stock Market is not fooled. The recent Stock Market increases still have not returned to levels that existed before this whole tariff fiasco.

2. There's little reason to give credit to someone who removes (or at least delays) the tariffs they imposed.

While this "transparency discussion" is all very interesting, WTF does it have to do with the topic of this thread?

The thread has been completely derailed since post #31. Hey, poster of #31, I'll acknowledge that you've very adeptly shut down the original thread and diverted all discussion to another topic. So, how about starting another thread instead of hijacking this thread?

A photon loses energy when it encounters a particle (e.g., absorption and scattering). That would not happen in a perfect vacuum. However, there's no place that a perfect vacuum exists.

"#2
Here you go snoofy.
www.phoenixnewtimes.com
#6 | Posted by willowby at 2025-05-21 11:28 PM"

Not only was this article from over 25 years ago, the salient point was it was done on April 1st:

"The article "Give Piece a Chance," though, was a hoax. A spoof. A prank. There is no group calling itself Arm the Homeless distributing handguns, shotguns and assault weapons to vagrants in downtown Phoenix.

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that President Trump was attempting to initiate talks with China, but those attempts by President Trump were being repeatedly ignored by China? China sure was acting like a country that was desperate to save their "crashing economy". It was painfully obvious to most folks that China was willing to wait until President Trump finally yelled "uncle". Seems like China had "all the cards" in these negotiations. Embarrassing President Trump by letting him twist in the wind was just a side benefit for China.

"Controlling the langue (sic). Right out of the left wing playbook.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-05-13 05:22 PM"

IRONY

"As they attempt to do transshipments to avoid tariffs - meanwhile, the economy is crashing. Factory activity the lowest since covid lockdown (www.cnbc.com)

Meanwhile - as a gauge of economic health - exports to the EU were up 8% but imports from the EU fell 16% - in effect, the one getting crushed in the trade is Europe along with China.

#193 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-13 08:33 PM"

Not surprising that factory activity would be down given the ridiculous tariffs that the US imposed (or now more accurately, threatens to impose LOL!). That would simply be a prudent business decision. China has a history as a trading nation going back more than two MILLENNIA. They are the world's leading exporter for over fifteen years. They consistently export more than they import.

Throughout this recent economic kerfuffle, China has comported itself with wisdom and patience. Something our President would be well-advised to emulate. No, 'The report of China's economy crashing was an exaggeration' (to paraphrase a report about Mark Twain's death). Again, the manner in which President Trump has (mis)handled the imposition of tariffs (especially with China) has markedly damaged his (and by extension, the US) reputation as a world leader.

Re: #182

If you have an issue with the data provided in the link above, take it up with the global times.

Speaking of data, please provide a source for all your recent claims.

"LOL, SE Asia and Europe were already putting in place anti-dumping laws. On top of this, Chinese manufacturers choose to burn European luxury brands by exposing only the logos are applied in France/Italy - everything is actually made in China.

Lastly, Chinese manufacturers shuttered their factories BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL DEMAND OUTSIDE OF THE USA.
#180 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-13 09:30 AM"

Seems like China is muddling through somehow LOL:

"Fun side note:
China's actual trade surplus with the world went UP under Trump's tariffs.
Good job, idiots.
#175 | Posted by Sycophant at 2025-05-12 11:10 PM"

Everybody having fun on this Economic Roller Coaster?

This is what happens when so many support a leader who can only be (generously) described as a middle-school bully with painfully little financial acumen.

So, now the USA has paused the onerous tariffs for 90 days (well, at least that's what they say they'll do TODAY!). Meanwhile, China (BTW, China is no neophyte when it comes to international trade. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking otherwise!) is hardly "bending their knee". They are more than willing to "play the fool" to stroke President Trump's woefully misplaced bravado/ego. China has been busily dealing with the present situation by developing other trading markets and investing diplomatic efforts to (what embarrassingly ignorant individual refer to as "-------- nations").

Bottom line: President Trump has blatantly shown the "Emperor has no clothes".

RE: #63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-05-13 07:04 AM

BINGO!

This is a quintessential White Elephant

Re: Posted by ScottS at 10:33 AM

"Biden has always been a liar"

It's all good because it's simply a case of hyperbole by a politician, right ScottS?

ROFLMAO!

It's one thing to be ignorant of what (then) Mr. Trump said he would do if elected.

It's quite another to support his plans thinking they would only be applied to "someone else".
This latter group deservedly should receive: no empathy, no sympathy, much derision, and much scorn.

They only want one thing: MORE

"Under a strong economy, people will vote for other issues.
Immigration, identity politics, education policies, and cultural values come to the forefront.
#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2025-05-06 08:31 AM"

Sounds like you believed the economy was strong at election time last year.

Several metrics agree with your belief and also indicate that the economy remained strong until after inauguration time this year.

How's that working out for you?

"yep - thanks to Zelensky and braindead Joe Biden for shipping weapons to Ukraine with zero accountability. But hey, Zelensky has a $35M home in Miami so he is fine with it.
#13 | POSTED BY SCOTTS AT 2025-05-05 10:06 AM"

Another case of hyperbole? LOL!

That claim about a $35M home in Miami owned by Zelensky is not true. It comes via Lauren Witzke. But hey, ALL politician's lie. Right? Maybe it's time to call out those lies and (even more importantly) stop propagating those lies!

"Lachlan Markay, an investigative journalist who previously worked for Axios and The Daily Beast, also traced Witzke's claim back to a post from DC Weekly, a website that's run by American conspiracy theorist John Mark Dougan, who fled Florida for Moscow in 2016."

"It was hyperbole - like when Biden said he would cure cancer. It is only a lie if you were dumb enough to believe anything a politician says.
#13 | POSTED BY SCOTTS AT 2025-05-05 09:02 PM"

B-b-but, Johnny did it, too!

Did that excuse work for you when you were a kid?

Classic whataboutism.

With a touch of gaslighting: "It's your fault for being so gullible".

ROFLMAO!!!

So, does this mean Mr. Trump committed perjury when he took the oath of office for President?

*sigh* tack on another felony.

RE: #7

If true, they are following USA's lead.

How about a compromise solution?

Alcatraz gets re-built and President Trump becomes a resident as a convicted felon. Win-Win?

"I already addressed this - it is an inventory build which will reverse in coming months. In Q2, there will be a net positive change as import value craters. The other part (other than imports) was government. All other actual aspects of GDP grew - consumer spending and net investment. That is why the headline number tanked the market but it finished up on the session as people read the report and saw it was actually positive.
#52 | Posted by ScottS at 2025-05-02 07:48 AM"

That prognostication might (or not) be true in the future, but how is that relevant to the claim ("GDP decreased by .3% due to cuts in government spending") regarding the Q1 2025 which is what the BEA link was about?

Re: #50

The Bureau of Economic Analysis disagrees. Their conclusion is the GDP decrease is mostly due to increased imports instigated by purchases ahead of the anticipated tariffs.

"Full blown depression?

#46 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2025-04-29 05:34 PM"

Reminds me of that old joke:

Q: Why are you beating your head against the wall?
A: Because it feels so good when I stop.

Since when do we have the right to give away another sovereign nation's territory?

Land of the free; home of the brave my ---.

SHAMEFUL!

So, after a bit over three years for a conflict not even close to threatening our home soil:

"This war has dragged on entirely too long.
#91 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2025-04-26 05:31 PM"

THANK GAWD our Founding Fathers didn't feel the same way in 1778 (five years before the Revolutionary War ended) or you'd all be sipping tea!