If you had that ability, you win at the Belmont Stakes.
#17 | Posted by Corky

Exactly the point I'm making!
Where's the payoff from any of these prophecies?
There isn't any. Never has been. Never will be.

I mean, are you saying Zionists do in fact have JHVH on their side?

Oh, but they predicted something unpredictable?
Yeah, wall street analysts do that all day long.
They crow about it when they're right.
They stay shut up when they're wrong.

If someone could predict an eclipse, would you take that to mean they're also correct when they say your soul will spend eternity in the lake of fire if you don't adopt their religion?

These are parlor tricks.

"That appears to be an obfuscative claim sans any argument WHY it doesn't matter. Again."

How has the foreknowledge of these prophecies benefited anyone?
What earthquake or flood was avoided?
Nothing. These prophecies prove nothing.

"It gives credibility to the authenticity of the documents as credible writings credited to the revelation of God."

So what? Some old storybook has some true stories in it, and some made up ones.
Most of history is like that.
That doesn't change things for us.

Praying to Trump is about as pathetic as it gets.

Anyway, I have no problem with Trump stepping in to help here. But I doubt he'll even notice.

Also, why not just go to some other country to get this treatment, that part makes little sense to me. This guy's got moeny.

If you cared about fetuses, you wouldn't be cheering SNAP cuts.

Do you think we can't see right through you?

" if on the inside it's open season for abortion, on the outside it's birth and a person"

That isn't really the case under Roe, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.
As was mentioned earlier, Roe takes fetal viability into consideration and finds viability is present in the third trimester.
Republicans thought that was unfair to fetuses, so they undid it, and now it's a mess where women are dying from miscarriages that otherwise would have lived, and you don't give two ----- about it just like you don't give two ----- about all the fetuses that get aborted.

"Gotcha, it all boils down to what side of that abdominal wall this fetus is on."

Did you have an legal definition which is substantially different from this, that you wanted to share with the class?

"Or does it all boil down to what side of that abdominal wall it's on, and if it has an umbilical cord attached or not?"

Does it?
What's your answer.
Can either of you half-wits articulate the legal difference between a fetus and a person?

"That's not how it works."

It's not?
Define "person" under the law.
Please proceed, Governor.

"Many bible predictions that have come true"

And how is that different than all the predictions that didn't come true?
What impact does it have on our world?
None.

"If a fetus is removed from the womb early because of a condition, and it can live on it's own"

When a fetus is removed from the womb, we call that "birth" and that is when personhood starts.
And you claim to have raised three children. How in the hell do you not know the difference between a fetus and a person?

Both of you -------- know a woman who has been raped.
Have any of them told you about it?

You know what the first thing daughters with fathers like you say when they do report a rape?
"Don't tell my father."

"I don't support the abortion policies of any of those states."

You supported the ruling that gave the states the rights to impose those policies, JeffJ.

That's like saying you dropped a brick off the overpass but didn't intend for hit a car.

Hey moron, last time I checked, rape was a felony and it lands you in prison. Are you really that stupid that you'll die on that hill?
#223 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Oh, so you are this stupid.
What percentage of rapes are prosecuted?
What percentage of rape prosecutions result in conviction?

What percentage of rape victims by family members police reports against the family member that raped them?

At a certain developmental stage, yes. If that fetus could live outside the womb, would you still make the silly argument that "it's just a clump of cells"
#215 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That's effectively what Roe did.
Roe created the trimester framework with fetal viability occurring sometime during the second trimester.

It's cute how you think you thought it all up by yourself, though.
It's pathetic how the thing you say you wanted, you've been voting against your whole life.

This is a states issue. States have the right to regulate who gets killed and who doesn't.
#204 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Fetuses aren't people, so that's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Also, why would you say the Federal Government doesn't have the right to regulate who gets killed?
We're killing "drug dealers" in the Caribbean, how is that possible without the power you say resides only with the States?

Christ, you really are this stupid aren't you.

I'm also fine with ------ and rape victims having access to abortions so long as they file a police report.
#199 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You think they're gonna file a police report when it was their own family that raped them?
Are you really this stupid?

That's because another life is adversely affected by what she does with her body.
#205 | Posted by BellRinger

But that's a two way street. Her life is likewise adversely affected, especially if she has an unwanted life in her body.

"We only have what is told us through God's ancient followers that has come true, and what we can discern ourselves."

So what? What good is an ancient prophecy today? Why haven't there been other prophecies that come true?

It has no material bearing on anything in our world if your G-d exists or is a mythological construct.

He can't articulate his position on abortion with any nuance whatsoever.

It's because that language is not permitted into his right wing bubble.

Ultrasounds are performed ON the abdomen.
#159 | Posted by BellRinger

You refuse to educate yourself.
You live in a bubble.

I vehemently oppose bans.
#167 | Posted by BellRinger

You're still ducking the issue.
Was Roe properly adjudicated?
Was Dobbs, that overturned Roe, properly adjudicated?
Yes or no.