Monday, November 24, 2025

World Losing Climate War; Fragile Cop30 Deal Keeps Up Fight

From The Guardian: The world is not winning the fight against the climate crisis but it is still in that fight, the UN climate chief has said in Belm, Brazil, after a bitterly contested Cop30 reached a deal.

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"COP30 ends with a whimper - The climate conference acknowledged that more climate action is needed, then failed to provide it" via @economist.com [paywalled]: www.economist.com/internationa ... #COP30

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-- Michael E. Mann (@michaelemann.bsky.social) Nov 22, 2025 at 7:09 PM

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... The world is not winning the fight against the climate crisis ...

Simple...

Because Big Oil profits seem to outweigh the effect of those profits upon humanity.

See, simple.


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 09:10 PM

#1 Not to mention the fact that short sightedness is rewarded immediately.

After effects be damned.

#2 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-23 09:13 PM

It has some to do with Catastrophic predictions that don't materialize. You can only cry wolf so many times.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 06:35 PM

At least during the last administration Congress passed a bipartisan bill to build new nuclear powers plants and Biden signed it into effect.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 06:36 PM

#3 As usual, bell boi fails to understand difference between the scientific method and sensational headlines declaring science "wrong."

#5 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-24 06:40 PM

I wouldn't use "scientific method " to describe climatology. And I don't say that to denigrate climatology.

#6 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 07:21 PM

I wouldn't use "scientific method " to describe climatology.

We know. You use knee-jerk reactions and political bias.

#7 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 07:37 PM

Political bias has nothing to do with it.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 07:40 PM

Whatever, dude.

Can you even grasp the global heat flux?

Start with the basics, and I can help you actually understand what the ---- you are talking about.

No politics needed.

#9 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 10:02 PM

Anyway, we're on the RCP 8.5 track.

Adaptation and resilience is the priority, not mitigation.

#10 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 10:13 PM

#9 what's your problem?

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-11-24 10:44 PM

So, not going to start with the basics I guess.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2025-11-24 10:53 PM

#9 what's your problem?

Do you think I have a problem?

If so, that's your problem.

#13 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 10:59 PM

-global heat flux?

Is that a sister to the famous flux capacitor?

-the RCP 8.5 track.

Is that a cousin to the 8-track?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-24 11:10 PM

Earth's heat balance.

El Nino, Pacific decadal oscillation, and other quantifiable atmospheric teleconnections.

Oceanic circulation and atmospheric heat transfer.

Hadley cells and my personal favorate, the westerlies.

The quantifiable concept of seasons.

A myriad of understanding of other climate related phenomena, advanced through the scientific method.

All of which has furthered our society.

#15 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 11:14 PM

Is that a cousin and an 8-track?

You read 8-track and immediately confused it with how Kansas people procreate.

#16 | Posted by horstngraben at 2025-11-24 11:17 PM

16

Funny.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2025-11-24 11:41 PM

It has some to do with Catastrophic predictions that don't materialize.
#3 | Posted by BellRinger

That's a "science denier" way of thinking.

Several projections from early IPCC reports have not materialized as predicted, primarily due to underestimations of the rate and severity of climate change impacts. The 1990 First Assessment Report (FAR) projected a range of sea-level rise between 8 and 29 cm by 2030 under a business-as-usual scenario, with a best estimate of 18.3 cm; observations closely track this best estimate and lower bound, indicating the projection was reasonably accurate despite some overestimation of greenhouse gas concentrations.
However, the 1995 Second Assessment Report (SAR) projected that the Arctic sea ice pack would remain stable until at least 2050 or beyond, a prediction that has been dramatically contradicted by observations showing the Arctic is on track for an ice-free state in the coming decades.
Similarly, the 1995 SAR and earlier reports projected "little change" in the extent of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets over the next 50"100 years, but current ice loss is trending at least 100 years ahead of these projections.

The 2001 report projected a sea-level rise of 2 mm per year and a worst-case scenario of up to 1.9 feet by 2100, based primarily on thermal expansion, but observed sea-level rise has averaged 3.3 mm per year since 1990, with projections now ranging from 2.4 to 6.2 feet by 2100 when ice sheet melt is included.
This underestimation occurred because the IPCC excluded the contribution of melting ice sheets to sea-level rise due to scientific disagreement, a practice described as "consensus by omission".
Furthermore, the 2007 report projected a worst-case temperature rise of 4.3 to 11.5F by 2100, but current projections indicate a rise of 6.3 to 13.3F, with a high probability of 9.4F, largely due to higher-than-expected CO emissions and the omission of feedback mechanisms like permafrost thaw.

While some early projections, such as those for atmospheric CO concentrations in the IS92a scenario from the 1995 SAR, have closely matched observations, the overall trend shows that the IPCC has consistently underestimated the pace of climate change, particularly in areas involving ice sheet dynamics, sea-level rise, and feedback loops.
The most recent assessments have begun to acknowledge these uncertainties and include low-confidence, high-impact scenarios, reflecting a growing recognition of the limitations of earlier models.
--AI Summary

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 01:56 AM

Political bias has nothing to do with it.
#8 | Posted by BellRinger

Political bias has everything to do with it.
It's only conservatives, and then mostly only White English speaking conservatives, that deny global warming.
People like you aren't even called "skeptics" any more.
The evidence is so overwhelming that you have become climate change deniers.

If you don't know that, it's because you don't want to.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 02:17 AM

I'm going way back into my faulty memory, but I believe a BellRinger manifestation, among others here, was scoffing at the notion of any imminent climate change effects while the New York subways were full of water.

#20 | Posted by Dbt2 at 2025-11-25 08:26 AM

You get one shot at life. I'm not willing to give up modern living unless the private jet crowd does first.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-11-25 08:22 PM

#21 Yep.

Too bad you blew your shot.

#22 | Posted by A_Friend at 2025-11-25 08:23 PM

#16

Yes, funny!

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-25 08:27 PM

@#19 ... If you don't know that, it's because you don't want to. ...

Intentional ignorance is a frightening thing.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-25 08:34 PM

You get one shot at life. I'm not willing to give up modern living unless the private jet crowd does first.
#21 | Posted by visitor_

Setting aside that your entire "bargaining" shtick is just an excuse to not take accountability for how you choose to behave during your one shot at life --

What do you think you are being asked to give up?
Your precious drinking straws?
Your gas powered leaf blower?
You are a child who cries when mommy puts his toys back in the toy box.

That is a sad commentary on your one shot at life.

It's time to change your diaper.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-11-25 08:53 PM

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