Lamp,

"Please describe the sense of modesty and standards of decency that you appear to want to make all others follow."

I'm not ignoring you.

Just don't feel like writing more.

Stuff I need to work on around the house.

Yav,

So I guessed you're gay correctly?

I actually didn't know but just seemed like you were.

"Not that there's anything wrong with it".

Yav,

I'm in different situation than most people.

I am able to closely empathize with what it feels like to be gay and straight.

Emotionally I'm wired to feel both gay emotional needs and straight emotional needs.

It actually was a devastating dilemma until my mid 40s when I finally figured out why I chose this life.

It was amazingly simple and not about religion.

Yav,

Didn't I say I dont see this bill having anything to do with drag queens?

It was this kooky Congresswoman who is making it about drag queens.

What are you going on about drag queens.

Yet another strawman.

Yav,

If you understood the straight world better you'd get it.

1. Most straight married men would be upset if their wife accidentally got a peek of another man's stuff.
2. Most fathers would be furious if their daughter saw some guy hanging out.
3. For the most part young women don't want to see it accidentally in their safe space either.

There simply is no justification for accidentally seeing male parts in a restroom or anyplace where women get undressed.

Since it is impossible to quarantee this won't happen, the only sane policy is zero tolerance.

Penis/No Penis.

Keep out if you have one.

Yav,

Gay pride parades in the 70s didn't have today's flamboyance. I was there.

Sure, there were a few drag queens and guys in leather flashing their hip pocket handkerchief, but overall people were fairly modest. Society was just beginning to see gays openly out so you didn't get too crazy.

Most men just looked like men.

That's why I don't get the drag queen fixation now.

Funny thing is most gay men I've known actually prefer men who look like real men.

Boaz,

Some people have been wallowing in filth so many years they've lost all sense of modesty and standards of decency.

Yav,

"An actual concern for kids"

Yes.

As the Church Lady put it, "Isn't that special".

It's this crazy lib that is framing the bill to be against drag shows.

I don't see it having anything to do with drag queens.

It is addressing what has been a concern of mine since the beginning.

Male junk in women's bathrooms that gets accidently seen by children in restrooms since "tuckers" have to untuck it to urinate.

If any minor sees it, however accidentally, this bill makes it indecent exposure.

Fine with me.

The only solution I think solves all problems associated with the whole trangender drama is penis/no penis.

If you have one, stay out of certain facilities designated cisgender only.

Simple.

Laura,

"Was you a swab jockey?? Just curious."

I worked in Avionics.

Dan,

Ok.

Alex,

"When I GIVE you an argument you didn't make, then attack it, THATS a strawman."

Ok.

Dan,

"But Bill scored near the top! Just ask him!"

Truth is, I only finished 10th grade before enlisting in the military at 17.

My Navy entrance exam qualified me for anything except nuclear.

After service, I finished my GED in two Saturdays without studying and scored high.

Later, a college IQ test put me in the top 2%.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

As Kermit said, "It's not easy being green."

Alex,

Ok.

When something not directly related is used to shift the focus off the actual topic, and we end up debating that instead, that's a strawman.

Alex,

toy?

Alex,

"Tell it to the 5 dead cops, one by stroke from head injury and 4 by suicide right after the insurrection."

That's tragic, no question.

But people dying, as awful as it is, doesn't make something a coup.

Framing it that way is really just a strawman.

Dan,

Calling Jan 6 a coup gives it way too much credit.

A real coup has a plan, a chain of command, and an actual shot at seizing power.

What we saw was a bunch of angry people storming around, grabbing souvenirs, and getting themselves arrested.

It got ugly and destructive and people died.

Some paid the price, but a well executed coup?

Not even close.

Speak,

"You cant deny trump attempted a coup"

Yeah, they stole Pelosi's gavel.

They were getting stuff to sell on ebay.

Not much of a coup.

Speak,

"You don't give a ---- about the integrity of democracy since you support a con man who tried to tear down democracy instead of admitting he lost."

Democrats propped up a president so unfit his aides had to run the country.

And Biden's final act was pardoning his entire family and their spouses.

That reeks of corruption.

Tell me again how that's democracy.

Dan,

The exception is absentee ballots because they are a necessity.

Dan,

"Where is your proof of ANY disaster?"

Every jet that crashes could have been transporting uncounted ballots.

Laura,

Ballots are the currency of democracy.

You'd never transport an unverified load of cash and just hope it arrives safely.

Why should ballots be treated with any less care?

To be clear, even if there was no fraud, I am still opposed to using mail-in ballots, other than absentee ballots.

I will not repeat my reasons. It is all through this thread and the posts I've made for years.

It is a disaster waiting to happen transporting uncounted ballots.

Dan,

"Ballot harvesting is illegal in Oregon."

Oregon law does allow third-party ballot collection ("ballot harvesting") if you're outside the restricted zone (100 ft from elections office), provided you meet the signage requirement, "NOT AN OFFICIAL BALLOT DROP SITE"