"WHERE'S THE FRAUD?"

Clearly, in BillJohnson's mirror.

" More like 5 presidental later you might have a point."

We've got lots of states with mail-in voting; no one coming forward.

Oregon has had more than 5 mail-in Presidential elections, as has the military. No one has come forward with your complaint. ZERO ... just like the sum total of your evidence.

Where is your proof? Oregon, 30+ years, the Military, 160 years.

WHERE'S THE FRAUD?

" Zero is an absolute."

As in YOU'VE PROVIDED ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF AFER FIVE YEARS ... ?

That kind of absolute???

" Great...we may not have experienced a major problem yet...."

Wait. Are you saying five years later, YOU STILL HAVE NO PROOF?!?

You'd have to be a moron to still believe that bullschitttt AFTER FIVE YEARS AND ZERO PROOF.

" The fact I was raising the alarm a month before the 2020 election"

What about the fact it's five years later, and you STILL don't have a shred of evidence?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far, you haven't shown ANY proof.

Put up or shut up.

"Bill is expressing theory without any evidence. real evidence."

Bill is expressing theory with LOTS of evidence against it, chief being NOT A SINGLE EXAMPLE.

Statistics, human nature, and lack of evidence actually DISPROVES the theory, especially by the 5yr mark.

"What is tolerable in small numbers breaks down when you expand it to millions."

Tens of thousands isn't a small number.

And the story would be a simple one: I got a mail-in ballot, and my (roommate/sibling/parent) took it, and voted for Biden.

After a close election, folks would've come out of the woodwork in droves, all telling the same story. Even if 99% of the victims never made a peep, that'd be HUNDREDS of victims coming forward.

Instead, after five years, we've seen ZERO voters make your claim.

Statistics and human nature teach us at least SOME of the tens of thousands would speak up. The fact NO ONE has come forward, 5 years later, and you're still clinging to an impossible scenario, just makes you look clueless.

Or worse: like you're purposely bearing false witness, for a political purpose.

Jesus wept.

"It's a matter of scale."

And the scale had to be so large (tens of thousands of votes), the victims would've identified themselves by now.

How many stories you can link do you have so far?

If that number is zero, please have the human dignity to admit it.

"Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean you're right."

What I get it, it's been five years, and STILL no one agrees with you enough to come forward and say it happened to them.

ZERO.

Just like your proof.

And being a math guy, I know with odds like that, where TENS OF THOUSANDS WERE DEFRAUDED, BUT NO ONE SPOKE UP, the only conclusion is: the fraud didn't happen on any scale but the usual garden-variety of someone voting for their dead mother-in-law.

Just because YOU don't get it, doesn't mean you're right.

If the fact NO ONE has come forward doesn't ----- you, you're too stupid for self-analysis.

""Absentee ballots have chain of custody. Mail in ballots like those in CA don't."

Bald-faced lie. Absentee Ballots ARE mail-in ballots. Same chain of custody, for both.

You're pretending an absentee ballot isn't subject to what you assume mail-in ballots are subject. That's either hubris, or ignorance.

Oregon has had mail-in ballots for 30 years; never a whiff of fraud. Military has been doing it for over a century and a half.

Where are the fraud cases from these long-standing systems? Or, more to the point, if this is so rampant, WHY CAN'T YOU FIND ONE CASE?

"Mass mail-in voting is a different story. Expanding that system to millions of ballots magnifies every weak spot such as lack of chain of custody , lost ballots, and the potential for mishandling due to human error or even fraud."

It's been five years. Why has NO ONE come forward with your scenario?

If your theory was correct, they'd be coming out of the woodwork, ESPECIALLY after a close election.

Why has NO ONE come forward, when they'd have every reason to speak up? There are only two options: they're complicit, or you're making bullschitt claims without a scintilla of proof.

Neither of us believe they were complicit.

"They must have borrowed Vernon's calculator for their total."

Official Calculator of the Republican Party!

" In doing so, Lott lumped together both legal and illegal immigrants in prison into a category for illegal immigrants, leading to an elevated crime rate for illegal immigrants"

In other words, the denominator stayed the same...

But the numerator lumped in a whole lot of extra "numers"

AMAZING how the numbers can change when you use Republican Math!

"I am going with yes, snoofy is promoting another lie."

That's multiple times you've accused others of lying, when upon further review it was YOU who was...let's call it "incorrect".

Are you being lackadaisical, or is this SOP?

" No one had ever been charged with them before"

WTF are you talking about?!?

Over the prior nine years, that office had filed a Falsified Business Records case, on average, EVERY TWO HOURS.

What "news" outlet has been bullschitting you?

"To follow the process you are advocating it would take dozens of years"

Even if you're correct, where in the Constitution does someone lose their rights based on how long it would take to keep them?

You're just barfing bullschitt because you can't defend it without lying about their rights

"Define due process for deportation."

The salient Constitutional phrase is ALL PERSONS.

When, exactly, does the illegal lose personhood under the Constitution?

"Deportation is within the purview of the federal government. Given that, I am not seeing overreach"

What you're not seeing is Due Process.

Following the Constitution has suddenly become "overreach" (to the former self-proclaimed Constitutional expert).

" Same crime, same penalty."

Except you backed wildly DIFFERENT penalties.

How about if both of your faces talk to each other and come up with one answer?

"Trump is doing what he told the American people he was going to do."

He told the American people he was going to bring prices down on day one. He told us the markets would rise, and he'd end the war in Ukraine in the first 24 hours.

Instead, the market is down, prices are up, and Trump humiliated America by showing once again he's Putin's bitch.

Feel free to explain why Trump failed to get the ceasefire he demanded. Putin told him to STFU about ceasefire and start using "peace accord".

So Trump came out of the meeting pretending he wanted something else all along.

"Everyone knows about the fake charges brought against (Trump)"

Then you should be able to point out the sham indictments for stuff you or I could do without fear of legal repercussions.

And since you pluralized, please provide TWO examples.

Of course, "Everyone knows" you've got nothing.

" ... do Republicans have a dual-standard?"

Obviously not.

First, they'd have to have ANY standards.

"Utah has been voting by mail for over a decade, and it has proven to be a secure and accessible way to vote."

Oregon: same thing, over 30 years.

NO ONE, in either state has ever come forward with BillJohnson's scenario.

After a close election, they'd be coming out of the woodwork. IF it was happening.

But 5 years, and NO ONE makes that claim?!? Only one conclusion: That means it NEVER HAPPENED.

" So BillJohnson aligns yet again with Putin."

He's desperate for any port in the storm.

It's now been FIVE YEARS, and a total of ZERO people have come forward confirming BJ's theories regarding mail-in ballots being taken by others in the same household, when the fact of the matter is there'd have to be TENS OF THOUSANDS of these incidents to overturn the results.