" Yes they are (Socialism)."

In which of them did the workers own the means of production?

(Checks notes ... )

Oh ... NONE of them.

Are you using Bellringer's Dictionary? It's like Republican Math, only for definitions.

" rebrand their megabill as "Working Families Tax Cuts,"

So ... they didn't change anything but the name, and thought Americans wouldn't notice.

It's not a bill for working families. It's a bill for rich folks.

"perhaps staving off possible electoral impacts."

Perhaps?!? More like by design. There's no way in heaven, hell, or anywhere in-between the timing wasn't done on purpose.

"It's not requirement anyway."

But they lied about it, regardless.

Hence my point: no reason to lie, other than it's completely ingrained.

Malignancy.

"(Subliberal) is a complete idiot."

Fun fact: he meant it to be "Subliterate", but misspelled it.

" some things ARE normal"

Not when everything is wrapped in a purposeful lie.

THATs the difference: no president in our lifetimes has relied on lies about EVERYTHING.

It's a malignancy.

"take away the economy, and there are still tens of millions of our neighbors who'd probably support Trump or his minions again"

If I was a betting man, I'd wager the price of gas will drop over the next three weeks.

"Texas officials are now reporting that a "GLITCH" is now holding off 600,000 voter registrations"

Paging BillJohnson. Remind us how many voters you're willing to suppress ... .

Remember: Texas, no slouch in prosecuting illegal aliens voting, has recorded 27 convictions over the past 40 years. Are they not trying? Are they inept? Or, are they looking and looking and looking, and can't find any?

It's all part of the "If you stop prosecuting, there is NO CRIME" crowd.

You know...the same group who wanted to stop that pesky testing for Covid, so there would be no cases.

'Hope they build a list of all the MAGA hat buyers!"

I own a red "TRUMP 2028" hat. It's still in the packaging. It was a gift from my Republican brother, knowing I'd never wear it.

But fair enough: I got him a pink ----- hat.

This year, he's getting a sweatshirt with a small Canadian maple leaf on it. For safety when traveling abroad, of course.

""The libs are forever stuck in a cycle of increasing fear and hatred for whoever happens to be the Republican POTUS"

Well, in my lifetime...George HW Bush wasn't as good as Reagan.
Dubya was much worse than his father; the most incompetent governance I'd ever seen.
Trump 1.0 was MUCH worse than Dubya. And MORE incompetent.
Trump 2.0 is the worst of all: TOTALLY incompetent.

If it were in 2-D chart form, "Republican Presidential Performance" would look like a downhill ski slope.

"The Top 1% includes people who earn more that about $800,000 per year."

And their marginal rate is the same as someone making 100X more.

"politics aside.....what's the alternative to putting those credits on the 1040?"

With welfare, it was monthly payments. With the AOC, they could do direct payments to the institutions. Same thing with Child Care credits, etc.

God knows, the government can get money to folks if and when they want.

"...how else would you determine eligibility and calculate credits like that if not on the federal return?"

With AOC, for example, you could put the burden on the institutions.

Earned Income Tax Credit
Child Tax Credit
Additional Child Tax Credit
Child Care Credit
Paid Family Leave
American Opportunity Credit*
Lifetime Learning Credit*
529 Plans*

*Can be used by childless taxpayers as well.

I left out EITC, because for a childless taxpayer to qualify, they'd have to make ~$10,000 or less. I can count the instances I've seen in 40 years of tax prep on one hand, and I won't be needing three of those fingers.

Other than the caveats, ALL of the above are child-rearing subsidies, plastered onto the 1040. It was literally the authors' goal to move the needle on the talking point about "who pays taxes".

And speaking of the richest...tax guy joke:

D'you know what a Billionaire says to Congress for not repealing Grantor Annuity Trusts?

"GRATs."

"The more taxes you roll into the calculation, the less the 1% pay as a total share of all taxes."

I've done an analysis, and if you ONLY COUNT inheritance taxes...

...the wealthy pay ALMOST ALL the taxes!!!

"your response was "bUh TrUmP wAs GuNnA wAnT mOrE bAiLoUt mOnEy"

Yeah...getting MORE of something goosing inflation will only goose inflation more. Duh.

It's like you don't understand the basic concepts of greater than and lesser than.

"I know enough to know"

You just took the position a 42% higher stimulus wouldn't have resulted in higher inflation. That answer will get you flunked from an Econ 101 class.

But congrats...you're top of the class at Dunning-Kruger!

"you're retarded, because Trump didn't get his way"

That's what happens when you lose a Presidential election.

"you're reduced to using a hypothetical to defend your opinion on the economy."

What a riot.

Never took statistics, did you? No idea what a Macro Dial is, right?

"But I'm not. I'm asking because to remove payroll taxes always skews the % paid by the wealthiest up significantly."

So...you ARE.

"folks who make less than the median line pay in total income taxes."

When we were kids, if a family paid $1000 in income taxes over the year via their W-2, they were scored as "paying taxes". If they got $100/month in welfare because they had three kids, that would be paid to them separately, and the family would still be scored as "paying taxes". Why? BECAUSE THEY PAID INCOME TAXES.

Now, a half-dozen child-rearing subsidies later, that SAME SCENARIO would be scored as "NOT paying (income) taxes"...which is A LIE. The subsidies are simply on the 1040 BY DESIGN, for the sole purpose of the talking point.

"Payroll taxes are regressive. "

Medicare is regressive, but Social Security is actually super-regressive, since it disappears entirely over ~$200,000.

"Almost
nearly
could've"

Wow

Now you've been reduced to fantasy. You have to pretend a newly re-elected Trump wouldn't have gotten his way.

You also have to pretend the inflation under Biden wouldn't have happened with a 42% larger stimulus.

That's MAJOR math moron territory!

Nice werk, Brownie!

" I'm asking because to remove payroll taxes always skews the % paid by the wealthiest up significantly."

Excellent, Sherlock!

Let's have Boaz put up a thread that only counts payroll taxes!

" I'll take $1M"

Apologies; I meant I'd TAKE your money for 2%.

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