There are some things about the upcoming deportation of 20 million illegal immigrants that I don't understand. Once these people have been rounded up and put in the deportation camps that private prison contractors are going to construct, how are they actually going to be returned to their home countries? How is that going to work? Is the federal govt going to put them on buses and drive them to the Mexican border or put them on planes and fly them to their countries of origin--and then what? The Mexican govt and other govts around the world are just going to say, "Okay, drive/fly them in and drop them off, no problem and no questions asked."? I don't see that happening, that other countries are going to capitulate to demands of the US deportation policy as it relates to them. Maybe Trump plans on blackmailing and/or bribing other countries? "If you don't take back these 5 million people, we will cut off aid, but if you do take them back, we'll give you $100 million dollars."?

It's all going to be very expensive. First building the facilities, then staffing and maintaining them after rounding people up, which in itself is going to cost money. Providing food, housing and medical care will cost money while people are being held, and if that cost is comparable to to the cost of housing prisoners, the price tag will not be cheap. And taxpayers will be the ones footin the bill. I don't foresee Elon Musk and his fellow American billionaires absorbing the cost.

Color me skeptical that the guy who couldn't build a decent wall and get Mexico to pay for it is somehow going to pull all this off without a hitch and without also substantially affecting American businesses, supply chains and consumers and without tanking the US economy.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson
In no particular order....
#25 | Posted by BillJohnson

Thanks for the list, Bill, but you still haven't answered my question and I suspect you won't:

Okay, now make a list of the policies Republicans support that are genuinely unwanted or not good ideas, and then I'll believe you, too, realise what you wrote earlier:

"this knife cuts both ways.

Politics and elections have always been a pendulum swinging left and right responding to the current issues of the day."
Posted by Gal_Tuesday

12 against 1? Jesus ------- Christ. Can we call them animals? Vermin? Garbage? Scum?Deplorable?

#202 it's not histrionic. It's an angry response. A vengeful, revengeful response, which I heard was all the rage among MAGA voters.

#203 Oh yes, because Lumpers isn't meant as a derogatory term. LOL

PS Eberly, I posted #191 before I read your #190, so my post was not a response to yours. I wouldn't go so far as to say "I hope your daughter dies" or "I hope your mother gets deported" or "I hope you lose your healthecare." I will point out, however, that should those things come to pass, it will be very sad and ironic, and they will have only themselves to blame.

"-Leftwing persecution.
Oh, I assumed it was specific to the DR."

Specific to the DR. Yes, that's what I meant. Anyway I'm bowing out of this convo. If RCade wants to weigh in, he can. The rest of us are just speculating. I've offered mine, but I could be way off base.

I imagine he didn't like hearing from people he disagreed with.
#176 | Posted by oneironaut

He has been hosting people who have disagreed with him for years. Over 20 years in fact. Maybe he'd just had enough of it. I wouldn't blame him. He was a far more gracious host for 2 decades than most of the righties on here would have been for 2 weeks hosting a board with lefties who acted the same way.

Anyway, I'm talking about respect for him and for this site. Not respect for fellow posters or other Americans in general.

I don't recall riteistrite posting on the nooner or even TH posting there that much.

victim of what?
#167 | Posted by eberly

Leftwing persecution. Go reread the thread. He made the comparison to Christians complaining about being persecuted because someone wished them Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas at Dollar General.

RCade said the nooner served him no purpose and he was tired of providing a space for deplorable trumping MAGA posters to spew hate and lies.
#163 | Posted by ClownShack

Yes, the nooner didn't make him any money. It was just a place for rightwingers to come and shift all over the site. No respect for, or appreciation of, what was being provided.

He's not tired of leftwingers being --------.....which is aplenty on the nooner as well.
#164 | Posted by eberly

Because the leftwingers being -------- weren't also claiming faux victimhood. That's the way I read it.

They say success is the best revenge. Trump's successful implementation of all his radical plans will be the Democrats best revenge.

RCade did
Posted by oneironaut

He did? I read it, albeit not as carefully as I could have, and I don't remember him saying that.

I was just reading how a $50 pair of shoes will cost between $59-$64 after the tariffs kick in. If you need any major purchases and want to save some bucks, I'd recommend buying them before Trump gets sworn in.

Who said the Nooner changed? It didn't change. It was the same damn shift ad infinitum.

I enjoyed posting random things I found. No point in a whole thread, which was limited anyway.
How does one stay informed if they don't post random facts?
#147 | Posted by oneironaut

You could start a thread akin to the Friday night music threads and call it the Random Facts Friday thread.

"RCade was just upset Democrats had such a poor showing and decided to take it out on the one place people he views don't share his views like to go."

You keep forgetting that the one place people who didn't share his views liked to go was still a room in his house. That's what he meant about pooping where you eat. If you don't like his house, go create your own. No one is forcing you to stay.

RCade was clear on why he was disgusted. He was tired of righties on here pooping where they eat and claiming false victimhood.

Gal,
Your "greener grass" seems to imply you don't fully realise some policies you support are genuinely unwanted or not good ideas.
Border, people here unvetted, men in women's sports, parental rights, energy policies, government fiscal accountability, social engineering, intrusive government regulations....and more.
Regarding civil rights there are still some problems of injustice and inequity.
But attitudes need to change. Some perceived "rights" are just that...perceived... and are not defensible.
Long of the short...that's my opinion.
#12 | Posted by BillJo

Okay, now make a list of the policies Republicans support that are genuinely unwanted or not good ideas, and then I'll believe you, too, realise what you wrote earlier:

"this knife cuts both ways.

Politics and elections have always been a pendulum swinging left and right responding to the current issues of the day."

I'm not missing it at all. Has anyone formed a 12 Step Group yet for the hardcore posters?

Gal,
You have valid points.
But do realise this knife cuts both ways.
Politics and elections have always been a pendulum swinging left and right responding to the current issues of the day.
#7 | Posted by BillJohnson

I do realise that. The American people are not fully pleased with either party. Those swing voters are called swing voters for a reason. When Democrats are in power, the Republican grass always looks greener. Then when Republicans are in power, people suddenly recognize the appeal of Democratic grass. The biggest tragedy of this election, beyond all the coming tragedies, will be if Republicans succeed in King Trump and his court running the country in such a way and to such an extent, that democracy itself is lost. They have indicated they want to emulate Viktor Orban's faux democracy in Hungary. If they do that, all bets are off.

We are about to find out just how much hubris the Republicans have. As I was just writing about in another thread, if history is any precedent, they will do what they always do after a victory and massively overplay their hand. In the past what has happened when Republicans do this and royally screw up the economy, the American people turn around and re-elected Democrats as a check and balance to Republicans' bad fiscal policies and overreach. The thing that makes this election different is that the Republicans' plans this time around include "deconstructiing the administrative state" and consolidating as much power as they can into an imperial presidency. To the extend that they succeed, it may not matter going forward what the American people think as we will not be given the free and fair elections that have always allowed the American people to change their minds and course correct.

Theyre low information voters drowning in a right wing dominated misinformation news cycle of cable news and podcasts.
#20 | Posted by Alexandrite
Exactly. It wasn't the Democrat message or messenger, it was the people. Democrats don't need to reflect and change. The rest of the country needs to get it's mind right. Learn nothing. Change nothing.
#21 | Posted by visitor_

What I'm waiting to see is if the Republicans have learned anything, or if they are gonna do what they always do after a victory: massively overplay their hand. Trump and the Republicans' most extreme policies are not popular with the American people, and once those policies begin rolling out, the American people will see and feel those effects firsthand in their own lives and will not be pleased. The only question that remains, however, is if people will be able to express their displeasure through peaceful protests and through free and fair elections? My greatest fear has always been that the Republican-installed autocracy will not allow for that and so peole will not be able to recognize their mistake and course correct. The loss of one election, while disappointing, is not the end of America as we know it. The loss of democracy is. Big, big picture, that is what has been at stake in this election.

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot.
-Joni Mitchell

New generations can write new verses to that song. The only question is: will they have the freedom to sing them?