I was a big Sanders supporter. At this moment in time i think Harris is the preferable candidate among all realistic options. I'm just one person but you are discounting the level of pragmatism at play in these discussions.

#57 | POSTED BY JOE

Hey, I freely admit I might be wrong, I might be way off, but I can only see infighting if Biden steps down. Keep in mind Harris is an ex-prosecutor, she is at a serious disadvantage with the young and minority voters because of that. She SUPPOSEDLY is incompetent, I strongly disagree, she has done what a VP does. Then there is the donor class, that I don't know how they will react.

I do see a great deal of wasted effort and missed opportunities. Imagine for a second Biden did fine in the debate, didn't crush it, didn't have a disaster. We could be slamming ------- about him becoming a King implementing Project 2025, stripping reproductive rights from every American woman, while he and his SC destroy America and he skates from crime, him being a felonious rapist fraud and all.

Instead we have debated replacing Biden for nearly 2 weeks.

And he looks half dead and has millions of people wondering if he'll live until November. If we have a chance to do better than that, we need to talk about the pros and cons, because of the stakes you keep mentioning. This isnt a ------- game. We need to win. And a guy who can barely string together a sentence or stay up past 4pm is simply not going to be capable of waging the full-scale campaign against fascists that this election requires.

#55 | POSTED BY JOE

I don't disagree and if presented with a viable alternative I am all in, trust me.

I just think that Biden is our best bet and Dems spending days/weeks infighting plays into -------- hands.

the time for Biden to have stepped down was a year and a half ago. Now we are here. The ---- it out the donkey, time to make cake!

I dont take that as a given. If he throws his full endorsement behind Harris, his delegates will follow his lead. Do you really think Newsom or Pritzker is going to tank the election by stoking another month of infighting?

#54 | POSTED BY JOE

You don't think the party of cats will jump to a new leader without having to be herded? LOL

8 years later and Bernie Bros are still fighting the power. Now we are expecting the various democratic groups to just accept the nominee given to us by the DNC?

That won't be compounded by a supposedly unpopular choice? Who is center left and thus antithetical to the groups most needing to be brought back into the fold?

Then you will have republican and concern trolls like jeff right here in this thread stirring up -----.

Nah, recipe for disaster.

Biden is way worse now than he was 4 years ago. If you won't admit that you aren't being honest.
My main concern 4 years ago was this moment now, where he is much more clearly compromised and we are stuck having this conversation. A younger candidate in 2020 wouldn't be saddling the future of this nation with this glaring flaw.

#46 | POSTED BY JOE

Biden is worse, ------- is worse, truthhurts is worse, that is the truth of time.

---- your woulda shoulda couldas. If ------- wins in November there will be plenty of blame to go around and time to spread it-Biden, Garland, McConnell, SC Smith, the Supreme Court, the Democratic Party, Cannon-pick your villain.

Dwelling on that is foolish

------- is a felon, fraud, rapist, mental case yet is not being asked to step down.

Biden is the one person on the face of the earth that stands between fascism and the White House.

You have a duty.

#27 I gave you a NW flag, but your logic only applies after the convention. If there's still time to change candidates and it turns out Kamala has a better chance of beating Trump (two big ifs but not impossible), it isn't really time to start berating people who want Biden to step down.

#43 | POSTED BY JOE A

The REALITY is the choice is Biden's. Discussing this issue is expending massive opportunity costs to take advantage of the Immunity decision, project 2025 and a whole host of issues. Time and effort rehashing replacing Biden, when he has chosen to stay in the race is self defeating.

And make no mistake, assume for a second Biden stepped down, well, we would have a month of Dems tearing each other apart over the new candidate be it Harris or any of a number of others. All the while ------- is skating through not being tested, not being questioned.

Then late in August, a candidate will emerge and we will have 2 months to get the low information morons to become acquainted and comfortable with them. All the while not attacking -------. ------- is not going to debate whomever because it would serve him nothing and he will skip to re-election

So, yeah, i stand by my statement. Stand behind the one person on the face of the earth standing between fascism and the White house

You have a duty

So, what you are saying is that both candidates are old as ----. You will get no argument from me on that point. You WILL get an argument that the MSM has been ignoring Biden's age and mental acuity when it has been discussed ad nauseum for years.

The MSM wasn't colluding with anyone.

The MSM has been publishing article after article after article about Biden's age for YEARS.

Now compare that with the constant ignoring the cognitive issues from -------, who regularly expresses malaprops, expresses non-sequiturs, gets people's names wrong, wanders aimlessly in his speeches, frequently blanks out during speeches, can't drink water with one hand, can't walk down slopes, can't walk short distances, waves at imaginary people, yeah, the MSM is in the bag for Biden.

What a disgusting joke.

Most of the MSM colluded to try and keep Biden's condition hidden. Now they got caught.
#32 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

and

video footage of Biden looking just as clueless as he did during the debate. Hell, it was evident when he barely campaigned in 2020. Biden staffers and allies had been proclaiming that behind closed doors he was sharp as a tack and these people nodded and clapped along uncritically like circus seals.

#38 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

So the MSM was hiding Biden's "condition"-whatever THAT is, but were showing videos and the media evaluation of his "condition" went all the way back to at least 2020

You're an idiot.

FWIW, my personal experience is that low information voters who are aware of Project 2025 take at face value the denial by -------.

why release it?

to make money, ah DUH

Most of the MSM colluded to try and keep Biden's condition hidden. Now they got caught.

#32 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What a patently stupid thing to claim.

Biden has been subjected to non stop comments on his mental acuity since before he took office. A fine SoTU address quieted them a tad.

Now compare that with the ridiculous ignoring by the MSM of -------- mental acuity over that time frame-bing, bang, boop, H2O, sharks, batteries, Dr. Johnson, Nikki Haley was responsible for 1/6

truth-
they also want to end no fault divorce. its insane.

#97 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

They want to outlaw porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can take my porn when they pry it from my cold dead hands!!!!!!!!!!!

When ------- took office in 2017, he was surrounded by traditional republicans, lifelong government employees and incompetents. Thus, the majority of what he attempted failed, either thwarted by traditional republicans, the courts or his own incompetence.

There will be NO repetition of that. The courts have been stacked to his benefit. The SC has signaled they will protect this agenda OR have explicitly issued decisions designed to further this agenda-immunity, political coordination with the DoJ, destroying the administrative state. He will not be populating his office with traditional republicans, he has learned to empower loyalists. He has succeeded in bending the republican party to his will, gone are those whose loyalty was questionable (to him).

These people will come to Washington with an agenda and a plan to enact it.

Do not fool yourself they WILL enact Project 2025.

Our nation will be unrecognizable a year from now if ------- wins.

Whole departments eliminated.

Whole bureaucracies dismantled resulting in upheaval throughout society as the regulatory and administration of much of daily life is thrown out the window.

Executive orders being issued to destroy many of the rights we think we still hold, ex. enforcing the Comstock Act and poof reproductive rights are GONE for the entire nation.

Rounding up of millions of immigrants-imagine the disruption this will cause!

All of this disruption WILL result in protests and he WILL use the National Guard to suppress dissent.

2025 will be UGLY should he be re-elected.

FFS most of Project 2025 are policies ------- has explicitly stated he will implement or tried to implement during his first term:

1. Immigration expulsion
2. Use of military for protest and crime suppression
3. Tax cuts and tarriffs
4. Elimination of Dept. of Ed
5. Use of DoJ to pursue political rivals
6. Promotion of Christian nationalism
7. Adding citizen question to census
8. Abolition of protections for LGBTQ's including students
9. Use of Schedule to fire federal employees and replace them with loyalists
and more

The authors are former ------- staff, RNC members (remember the RNC is now a fully controlled subsidiary of his campaign, FULLY), attorneys who have helped with -------'s legal problems. All people who will hold high office in his 2nd term

This is not theoretic concepts this IS the blueprint ------- will use once in office.

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite
I think he wants our terrible candidate to step aside to prevent fascists from winning

#29 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

She, you mean?

Can you provide a candidate that will have a better shot at beating -------? If so, I'm all ears

71% of Americans said a president should not have immunity for official acts.

With all due respect. GFY. You act as if the Democratic party is entitled to votes. Clue phone here. They are not. Want our vote. Give us a candidate that we can vote for. Until then. Sit and spin. #20 | Posted by LauraMohr

I find this attitude INCREDIBLY infuriating.

Stop asking what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country

In 1776 colonial patriots put their lives and fortunes on the line to throw off a dictatorial monarch.
In 1861 millions of American patriots put their lives on the line to save the Union and defeat slavery
In 1941 millions of American patriots put their lives on the line to defeat fascists from taking over much of the world
All that is being asked of you is to vote for the single solitary person who can stop a fascist takeover of our country.

What are YOU doing to prevent a fascist takeover?

Life is a series of difficult decisions, adults understand this. Stop acting like your group should dictate who is the candidate. Alternatives had their chance; enough people did not agree with you. So, it is time to put on your big girl pants and do your duty.

You have a choice between a fascist and not a fascist, between a dictator and a not-perfect progressive, between someone who will take your rights away vs someone who will strive to protect them.

GROW THE ---- UP

Chicago has almost ninety times the population of Florence (Kentucky).

#8 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE AT 2024-07-08 02:17 PM | FLAG:
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50-100 every...single...weekend...

#9 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

You're right! America SHOULD ban guns! I am glad we can count on your support.

That is simple reality

You can take (as a society) 1 of 3 approaches

1. Live in reality and address the issues thus mitigating the damage
2. Live in reality and accept the costs
3. Live in unreality and act like the issue isn't real

Way back in college a earth engineering professor explained that water causes more death and destruction than any other natural phenomenon

The increasing threat posed by storms are a result of a number of interacting factors:

1. Strength and frequency of storms is increasing due to Climate Change
2. Impact of storms is being exacerbated by development, changing infiltration areas into areas that direct stormwater elsewhere
3. Encroachment of wetland areas giving storm water less volume to store during storm events causing flooding-the recent SC decision that isolated wetlands can be filled will significantly increase flooding-water, despite conservative beliefs, finds the lowest area, if you fill one low area the water will go somewhere else.
4. Infrastructure not designed to handle stormwater surges resulting in flooding, flooding damage and power outages.
5. Increased population meaning there are simply more people to be impacted.

With the re-introduction of ballot (stuffing) boxes by the Wisconsin Supreme Coven, we can expect 105% turn out for Biden in Madison, just like in 2020.

#26 | POSTED BY VISITOR

Do you have any evidence that this occurred?

There is an obvious reason the conservative outlets haven't been covering it. The policies are incredibly unpopular

They know that

They are intentionally hiding their intentions

Read the NYT article I posted. The obfuscation is stated directly

I'm guessing it has some scary stuff, but what kind of backing is it getting?

#38 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

The Heritage Foundation

Serious question: Are you suggesting that Project 2025 (which I have yet to look into) is kind of like PNAC 2.0 (which actually was implemented)?

#36 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

I am suggesting that it is the stated plan for a 2nd ------- term written by highly influential people who, if you read the Times article the authors are downplaying 2nd term goals for obvious reasons-it's proposals range from unworkable to unpopular to abhorrent.

Look at it's authors, they are a litany of ------- loyalists, inner circle people, people from his first administration, RNC folk and people who have shaped the courts.

The policies are outgrowths of policies ------- tried during his 1st term-immigration, Schedule F employees, stuff the SC has been teeing up-destroying the federal administrative state, moving towards more christian religion in the public sphere and policies that the right is certainly moving on-fetal personhood, suppression of LGBTQ rights.

Many of the policies are things ------- has outright stated he wants to enact.

Now the question is will jeff come back with a more honest position or will he continue to deceive?