Except you've spent an entire thread being a breathless reactionary turd getting it wrong.

#70 | Posted by jpw a

Other than insulting me you haven't posited one argument in response. that says a great deal.

Simple fact

Truth Hurts Donut

I'm guessing your spittle spraying tantrum is blinding you to the irony of this statement, eh?

#67 | Posted by jpw

I have the critical thinking skills to recognize an obvious huckster.

I was raised to not vote for a rapist, felon, insurrectionist, liar conman. That was sort of a base line of ethics teaching in my house.

Specifically, why did the American people CHOOSE him?

#17 | Posted by truthhurts
They didn't.

#66 | Posted by jpw

So Piggy didn't take the oath of office in January 2025? Thank goodness i was worried that would happen

So stop him. Go ahead.
Inaction means your evil. Are you evil?
Go touch some grass and disconnect. It's a holiday weekend, unplug for as long as you can.

#64 | Posted by jpw

Where are the mass protests?

Where is the general strike?

Where are the calls for congress to take action?

Why did the democrats surrender when they actually started winning the shut down in November?

The American people have allowed our power to be taken from us for nearly 50 years. We are reaping the rewards, and our options are becoming more and more limited.

But that does not change the simple fact that Piggy should not have been elected in a working democracy, in a country with any sense of right and wrong.

Be it actively supporting such evil or apathetically choosing social media over voting or choosing ignorance over protests we are all complicit.

That is a simple fact.

Again, the election should not have been close.

that it was is not due to Harris, or Gaza or inflation, those were just the talking points. the problem is a populace so devoid of compassion and critical thinking as to vote for piggy over a normal human being. Anyone with critical thinking skills should hear a man stand on a debate stage and say Haitians are eating cats and dogs and think this man should be in a mental hospital. Enough people couldn't even draw that simple conclusion. And more people just said "oh well" and didn't vote. And more people are fighting whether Bernie or AOC or Tom Bombadil would have won in place of Harris.

that is the problem. if it weren't the topics that were the excuse it would have been something else

Until we solve that problem our democracy is doomed.

The structure of our federal government is currently set to permit, to only permit, the irrational minority to rule.

That is a problem that needs to be fixed.

" #7 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT"
Fckk off you POS.

#63 | Posted by BellRinger

Your counterargument and its logic are noted.

Take a breath.
The electorate didn't choose him. He won because the same cultist idiots who voted for him in the past voted again.
But he didn't even receive a majority of votes actually cast, let alone support of the majority of eligible voters.
MAGA and the idiot progressives who took their ball and went home deserve this. Not everyone else. Use that anger to try and fix things.

#62 | Posted by jpw

He won because Americans chose him.

That is how our elections work, whatever the mechanics.

Not voting is a choice

Not having a mass movement rejecting his candidacy is a choice.

Not shutting the country down with a general strike is a choice.

I hate it too, but we are all complicit in this monster's crimes.

It really is that simple

The SC literally have found that the President cannot be held accountable for any crime he commits.

That is power that kings would be jealous of.

That is certainly and decidedly NOT liberalism

It is aristocracy.

This SC stripped women of a right they had for 50 years.

That is unprecedented. That a right, a critical right was just discarded.

That is not individual liberty, it is the state dictating what a woman can do with her body.

They have trampled on trans rights, essentially making them unpeople.

They have dismantled African American rights to representation. that certainly isn't the consent of the governed.

These actions are central to what they are attempting.

And this gerrymandering fight is terrifying in it's long term implications.

The one saving grace I THINK is that representation is by people so more populace areas should have more representation. But if the south has zero democratic representatives will that be offset by blue areas? IDK.

I do know that that chaos in the system runs counter to good governance and the rule of law.

@#55 ... The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy...
Is Liberalism about the right of an individual being supreme?
Or is it about the rights of the People over the dictated rights of the oligarchy and autocracy?
The people of Hungary recently had the ability to express their opinion on that topic.

#56 | Posted by LampLighter a

Liberalism is a political and philosophical tradition centered on individual liberty, the consent of the governed, equal rights, and the rule of law.

It is the essence of We the People...

It is the essence of representative democracy.

It is the essence of the declaration of independence and the consent of the governed.

this is what the regressives are fighting.

They are striving for a defeat of this system of governance.

They are striving for an aristocratic society-be the aristocracy wealth, race, gender.

They do not believe in universal rights or universal suffrage.

those are anathema to their essential beliefs

And they are winning.

People need to wake up to the fact that the regressives have won. We are witnessing the death of liberalism.

Regressives have been fighting for centuries to turn back the concept of representative democracy and equality. They want a return to the aristocracy. they firmly believe that some are inherently better than others and are inherently, divinely ordained to lead.

We are witnessing the death of representative democracy.

For the first time in 250 years the SC stripped a right from half of Americans. This court has stripped countless liberal policies from our governance, the latest of which is the right to representation. This court has made the President a king in all but term limit (and we will see where that leads)

That is the death knell of liberalism. The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy.

The regressives are plotting and planning to turn our country into a one-party rule. We should all be terrified of the radical gerrymandering underway. that is a path to one party rule. Making the House work like the Senate where entire states have one party representatives and then complete control of the districts will INEVITABLY result in 1 party permanent representation on the state level. When a state has all it's districts as one party and that party controls the state there is literally nothing to stop that permanent control of the districts through gerrymandering.

That is just another nail in liberalism's coffin.

So, spend all your energy debating trans or gaza or inflation.

When representative democracy is being stripped from you and your vote will no longer matter.

As an aside, my vote hasn't mattered my entire life. I live in a blue district in a blue state. My vote has never had any sway over president or policy.

They are extending that concept to the rest of the country1

#50 "And the people will only change when forced to."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#52 | Posted by A_Friend at 2

I know I usually am

#47 "The problem is the people."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#48 | Posted by A_Friend

And the people will only change when forced to.

That force usually comes from starvation or bombs

"Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem."
And you have an alternative?

Trump hammered Democrats on transgender issues. Now the party is at odds on a response
#44 | Posted by A_Friend

Yes I do have an alternative

Instill basic decency in the American populace.

I raised my kids to be decent people.

They wouldn't vote for a rapist

It will take generations to instill that in the American populace

Again, stuff like civil wars, global depressions and world wars are usually pretty good at resetting a populations' moral compass.

The regressive movement has been going on for centuries, they have won.

They have defeated liberalism.

Either start a revolution or accept your fate

"Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem."
And you have an alternative?

Trump hammered Democrats on transgender issues. Now the party is at odds on a response
#44 | Posted by A_Friend a

Piggy stood on a stage and ranted about people eating cats and dogs.

It should not have been close

The problem was not the message, if it weren't transgenderism, it would have been eating cats and dogs or the murderous raping gangs of brown people or the sky is falling because of Biden/Harris.

It would have been anything.

The problem is the fertile field that sucked that ---- up.

The problem is the people.

Sorry Lamp there is no subtlety needed, we are beyond subtlety

The problem with America does not begin and end with democracy the problem is America is evil

We are doing evil things and they are barely even mentioned as such.

they are not framed as the great evil that they are.

We fought world wars to stop countries committing the crimes that we are committing and abetting.

Evil deserves retribution.

A person so full of hate and LACKING compassion...

#26 "The American people are responsible."
Why, yes they are.
Why can you not take Yes for an answer?

#33 | Posted by A_Friend

Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem.

When the problem is an American electorate so devoid of morality as to hate an infinitely small number of people that they don't know, that have zero power and have zero negative influence on society.

A person so full of hate and compassion and so stupid to think that a transgender person has any impact on their lives is too stupid and to evil to make an ethical/rational choice

Messaging is not the problem. The problem is the 10s of millions of people raised without basic humanity.

#28 So?

#31 | Posted by A_Friend

Teach Americans basic human dignity, basic morals, basic empathy.

Nothing else will matter.

FWIW typically that will take a massive tectonic shift is cultural usually achieved through major wars or global depressions.

Starving to death will have a way of focusing one's attention on what really matters.

Post that a few more times A Friend it still won't be relavent.

The messaging wasn't the problem.

The problem is that Americans were not raised right, were not raised with critical thinking skills, were not raised with ethics

Dems could have spent a trillion dollars countering that -------- and IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED.

Eggs cost more therefore Piggy save us.

Americans had a duty to not re elect Piggy

They failed

This is on them.

#17 The American people did no such thing.
Less than half of those eligible to vote voted in 2024.
Barely half of those voted for the Trumpf.
Doesn't equate to the American people choosing anything (except, perhaps, apathy).

#23 | Posted by A_Friend

Not voting is a choice

They chose knowing the ramifications

The American people are responsible.

Agreed.
Can you not take Yes for an answer?

#18 | Posted by A_Friend

We are discussing why the dems lost in 2024.

I hear only myself pointing the finger at where it belongs. The morons who voted for a rapist, felon, conman insurrectionist liar.

NO MESSAGE WOULD HAVE CHANGED THAT

It shouldn't have been close

Israel and AIPAC had almost zero effect on the 2024 election.
Of course not.
Nothing did other than Harris being a woman of color.
Americans are just racist misogynists and chose and orange man over a black woman.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack

I contend this is not correct.

I contend Piggy would have defeated a lily white cis-hetero church going moderate dem

Because the American people are evil.

#12 Because Israel and AIPAC had almost zero effect on the 2024 election.
Thanks, Clown.

#13 | Posted by A_Friend

Why was Piggy reelected given he was so obviously unqualified and unworthy?

Specifically, why did the American people CHOOSE him?

#7 Gosh, TruthHurts ... nothing in there about Israel or AIPAC.
And, yet, you took me to task?

#10 | Posted by A_Friend

America is evil. Israel is evil

If America were not evil, Piggy wouldn't be president.

Prove me wrong.

Truth Hurts Donut

America deserves the destruction that he is reaping.
While I don't disagree with you.
I'd prefer it not to be happening.
But America isn't the first nation to fail because of the shortsightedness of stupid people.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack

---- that, America has become evil. Evil needs to be expunged.

I remind you we are aiding and abetting a genocide. We are aiding and abetting pogroms and land grabs and torturing children.

That is evil

We started an unjustifiable illegal war of aggression by assassinating a country's leaders with a cowardly murderous bombing that killed infants.

We did that during negotiations, without declaration without warning. TWICE

That is evil

We are killing Venezuelan fisherman on a regular basis

That is evil

We have put an illegal embargo of oil on Cuba resulting the deaths of children. There is no justification for that. There is no reason other than some Miami Cubans want to get rich with Cuban real estate.

That is ------- evil

America is doing this.

We are not stopping Piggy from doing this

America is evil and bad things should happen to evil people.