An organization with rampant pedophile sex scandals hidden by it's leaders preaching about responsiblity
Too

FARKING
FUNNY

All the more reason to not develop fiscal policy based on the interpretation of a bronze era philosopher.

I mean it is undeniable that he would not have understood stuff like mental health, generational poverty, food insecurity, lack of educational opportunities, addiction, and a whole host of other things that go into "would not"

But I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Piggy is the logical and inevitable endpoint for conservative philosophy.

that isn't even doubtful or controversial.

If your philosophy is the lifting up of the individual in a capitalist society and believes greed is good, the inevitable end point is a greedy, corrupt fascist.

Truth,
I see I shouldn't expect much introspection from you.
I'm simply interested in seeing whether anyone here is willing to examine what their own side may have contributed to the problems we're discussing.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Again, not my job and again, I do not believe that left wing policies or liberal philosophy holds a candle to the utter devastation wrought by regressives and conservatives

If you can provide a coherent argument, feel free, that ain't my job

I will allow the Dems have failed utterly at combating fox news propaganda for the past 35 years which has caused much of the destruction in faith in institutions.

I blame Obama for not seating a justice in the face of McConnell's theft

I blame dems for not being dovish enough for the past 30 years

I blame the dems for not having a backbone and confronting Piggy for the past 10 years, esp. Garland utterly failing his duty

I blame dems for not finding a story that protects trans people and throws them under the bus

I blame dems for too often siding with regressive conservative policies

But if you haven't noticed the problem dems have is that they are not strong enough, have become too complacent, have failed to keep up with the conservative movement. I don't blame that failure on the essential beliefs of the left, I blame it on cowardice and lack of imagination

I've said it before I'll say it again, the best parts of America are the result of liberal values, from the Declaration of Independence, to freeing the slaves, to universal suffrage to defeating fascism, to civil rights to the social safety net.

Every time they have been confronted by and overcome the conservatives

Same with Obama's

CSAMRUNT's child-raping hero is responsible for 30% of the national debt.

#78 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot

in 6 years and a lot of Biden's debt was from fixing the mess Piggy left him

The problem is that this is a heavily left-leaning site, and getting people to examine their own side's faults with the same honesty they demand from the other side seems to be in short supply.
Ideally, I'd like to see an honest critique from someone on the left examining what their own side has contributed, rather than just another conservative criticizing liberals.

#73 | Posted by BillJohnson

Its not my job to make your argument for you.

If you think the left is as much at fault as the right, provide examples, dissect liberal philosophy for the inherent problems it has.

And no "permissiveness" is not an answer.

"Permissiveness" is a nearly useless point.

Women's liberation can be considered part of "permissiveness" but I view that as one of the greatest things that have happened in the past 100 years

Drugs are not a result of "permissiveness". Drugs are a response to the human condition and have been around since the dawn of time.

Your argument holds no water

Dart likely blew an ACL and out for the season.
Being a Giants fan sucks.

#66 | Posted by truthhurts

Nabers now out with shoulder injury

But if we're ever going to understand why, don't we have to be willing to look at all the forces that got us here instead of assigning virtually all the blame to the side we already oppose?

Because EVERYTHING Piggy
Because McConnell stealing a SC pick
Because McConnell refusing to govern with a Dem president
Because Dubya and his war on Iraq, his tax cuts
Because of Newt Gingrich and his contract on America refusing to govern
Because Republican global climate change doctrine for the past 40 years
Because Republicans decade long attempt to keep healthcare from people with the ACA
Because Reagen ruining everything.
Because Rush Limbaugh and Fox poisoning our discourse
Because conservative SC saying corporations are people and money is speech and the president is above the law

NOTHING liberal policies compare to the destruction wrought on this country by conservatives and their nihilism.

There is nothing wrong or harmful in seeking goals of acceptance of all people, rational and reasonable regulation of capitalism, of seeking to help the citizens of this country afford healthcare.

I have asked countless times what policies republicans have advocated or passed that help the poor and middle classes of our country

I can name a bunch of democratic policies-universal healthcare, CHIPS act, minimum wage, infrastructure, medicaid, medicare, clean energy investments, medicare being able to negotiate drug prices,

What have the republicans done?
Cut taxes for the rich, gave 10s of billions of dollars to ICE, started wars, gave Piggy unlimited power, refused to check Piggy, ummm cut taxes for the rich.

Yeah thats about it

No Bill left and right are not the same

Dart likely blew an ACL and out for the season.

Being a Giants fan sucks.

Freaking Giants season is over

And some people openly challenged traditional social values precisely because they associated those values with Christianity and traditional religion. In rejecting the religious foundation, they were also willing to discard social standards that had helped hold communities together for generations.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson a

If that were true, which I do not grant.
Why?
Why did people challenge the values associated with Christianity?

Could it be because a more educated populace see the inherent inconsistencies, the inherent injustice, the inherent evil of christianity?

Couldn't be that Christianity's' values weren't worthy of accepting?

I was referring to the rose colored views of the "social values, social expectations or "social contracts," as they say, and standards of conduct were healthier or more moral in the past"

There is very little to compare between this glorious past and today.

Was the social contract better when blacks were being lynched? Or women regularly beaten by their husbands? or Jews excluded from society? Or uptight repressive -------- controlling what entertainment we could view? Or when politicians were lying us into wars?

The world is a vastly different place today. The number of people on the planet, the interconnectivity of societies and cultures, the higher education of people, far longer life expectancies, these are just a few of the changes that disrupt any comparison.

Take drugs, you think there wasn't a permissive use of drugs before the 60s? Well you'd be wrong, its just the drugs were alcohol, cigarettes and reds for the little woman at home.

You think there wasn't concentrated poverty? LOL

These alleged traditional social values were only permissible because the country had a massive economic advantage and far fewer human beings to accommodate

You actually have things ass backward. the "traditional" values were not the underpinning of society. The traditional values were permissible because we had the wealth to allow for some people to have a nuclear family.

Do you think things are going to get better if fewer people are willing to get jobs, work and support themselves?

Who are these welfare queens unwilling to work?

You're a bigoted idiot

"Permissiveness is destroying us."

LOL
Literally LOL

You're an idiot

In the 1970s usury laws limited interest rates to 18%

Loan sharks were called loan sharks because they charged higher interest rates than 18%

Today there is no federal limit on interest rates.

Today, loan sharks aren't breaking any federal law

Today, many people (i.e. payday loan companies) charge far in excess of 18%

Just 1 example of many of why we are where we are. Why all the money has shifted upward.

So? Are the workers not working for the pay the were told would receive after signing on the dotted line? In this free country workers are more than capable of putting in their papers and seek employment elsewhere if they are unhappy with the company's pay scale.

#15 | Posted by MSgt

Whew I was worried we wouldn't hear the moron's perspective.

MSGT did you ever contemplate the power differential between rich and poor?

Bill is one of those -------- who glorifies the 50s when, in reality, that was a singular moment in recent history.

The rest of the advanced world was literally leveled.

America was not

America had the resources to aid in Europe's and Japan's revival.

America benefited IMMENSELY from that

But even then

There was poverty

There was bigotry

There was misogyny

So, screw your rose-colored glasses

Bill blames the social programs that have ensured a booming economic engine for decades for the destruction of the nuclear family.

When the reality is due to far more complex factors-women no longer being second class citizens and having CHOICE, to Regeanomics destroying the middle class, to the great transfer of wealth from the poor and middle classes to an ever-shrinking number of uber wealthy. It is no mistake that the rise of single-family homes coincides with the destruction of living wage jobs.

The problem is not a "permissive" society, that is the excuse of idiots. Liberal values and individual freedoms are the goal of an evolved society.

The problem is with regressive -------- who think women, LGBTQ, black and brown people, and other minorities are less worthy than the straight white man.

Capitalism, by its essence, results in stratification.

It is the role of society and governments to assure that stratification is not oppressive.

Conservatives spit on that latter concept. They believe that exploitation is the natural state of being.

"The modern conservative is not even especially modern. He is engaged, on the contrary, in one of man's oldest, best financed, most applauded, and, on the whole, least successful exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."" John Kenneth Galbraith (December 13, 1963)

So, yeah we are sliding as a society

Because the regressives have prepared for decades for this fight.

They are accelerating the destruction of our liberal democracy to the age of nobility, where to be ruled is better than to be governed.

And President Piggy is the natural endpoint of conservatism. he is the epitome of selfishness and greed, which are the essential truths of conservative thought

Do you think the direction we're going is healthy?

Everything wrong with our country comes from conservatives and their philosophy.

He will claim republicans won all the mid term contests and were robbed

this is an obvious ploy to scare people into building it.

WE NEED IT FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE AND SECURITY

is how we get all sorts of ----

Apparently SA said it ain't shipping oil to European refineries for September and October

Going to get worse

Its only going to get worse

far far far worse

Maybe, now hear me out, christianity is a load of --------?