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-That woman would need to acquire a birth certificate that may not exist
LMAO Now that's some serious stretching....

#71 | Posted by lfthndthrds a

the argument is confirming citizenship

At least 3.8 million adult American citizens do not have a birth certificate or other citizenship documents (like a passport or naturalization papers) at all. Additionally, over 21.3 million voting-age Americans (about 9.1%) do not have these documents readily available.

You're an idiot

Here's clue number 2:
Go back home and apply to come here legally.

#70 | Posted by lfthndthrds

how does not giving them a license achieve that end?

Truth,
How has the elderly black woman been voting without an ID up to now?
I think you believe Democrats are too dumb to take care of themselves.
People can get absentee ballots if they are immobile.
You think I'm too dumb to see through your nonsense.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson

You are simply not responding to my point.

That woman would need to prove her citizenship.

That woman would need to acquire a birth certificate that may not exist

These are irrefutable facts

These are irrefutable hurdles to voting

You refuse to acknowledge them

You refuse to argue how the legal votes prevented will be less then the fraudulent voters

Face it you are not a good person

Here's a ------' clue, quit handing out driver's licenses to people who are in the country illegally.

By all means more unqualified drivers without insurance!

Piggy already is a communist
Government Ownership of Companies
Critics point out that the Trump administration has taken partial ownership or financial stakes in various private corporations.
Taking partial ownership in chipmaker Intel.
Acquiring stakes tied to U.S. Steel.
Investing in rare-earth materials firm MP Materials.
Acquiring partial control in companies like Nvidia and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD).
Market Intervention and Price Controls
Commentators note that federal involvement in private business decisions mirrors centralized economic management.
Implementing guaranteed price floors for output at a California rare-earth mine.
Exercising veto power over specific corporate activities.
Using chaotic market interference to guide private sector behavior.

Why do some people have to be pandered to like a child all their life?
Grow up or at least find someone to help you.
#34 | Posted by BillJohnson

Why do you have to put hurdles in the way of people exercising their vote?

Oh, right, because you are a ------ human being.

Truth,
It's called growing up.
Unfortunately, a lot of people never do, usually because they were never expected to.
If you want to vote, you'll have to work through the system like everyone else.
Who ever said it was the government's job to treat grown adults like helpless children?

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson

Christ what a vile attitude you have

You are talking about as an example a poor elderly black woman in Louisiana who would have zero resources to obtain some ID.

Or a disabled veteran where travel is a massive burden

Or a poor single mother who has to work 3 jobs to keep a roof over their family's head

You are a ------- vile human being

How about proof of citizenship in order to register?

#31 | Posted by BellRinger

How does one do that?

With a birth certificate

I explained the difficulty people will have

10s of millions of Americans do not have birth certificates

I, fairly well off, middle class American had to exert significant time and money to obtain one for a passport

What will happen to the millions of Americans who cannot do that?

They won't be able to vote

I wonder what Xi thought of piggy showing him the picture of the auto pen he put up for Biden

America has a case of explosive diarrhea during the middle of sunday mass for a president

How does taking additional measures to prev it fraudulent voting automatically translate to disenfranchisement?

#28 | Posted by BellRinger

Because there are eligible voters who will not be able to meet the new requirements.

Take something as simple as a birth certificate.

I had to get a passport a few years back

I didn't have a birth certificate

I had to take time off work, travel several states over, present myself to the local clerk to get one

There are MANY people unable to do that simple task, age, distance, money, overseas..that simply won't be able to do that

I knew where I was born, which hospital, had some documents from my birth to prove my identity

There are many people who can't clear that simple hurdle

They might not know their birth parents, or the hospital they were born in or weren't even born in a hospital

Literally millions of people don't have birth certificates

To require one is to disengranchise a LOT of people

what measures could you take that wouldn't disenfranchise voters?

It is a simple irrefutable fact that you add conditions you add hurdles. those hurdles cause voters not to vote

Danforth,
What is your threshold whereby the number of non citizens voting becomes unacceptable to you ?
Also, why do you assume that all illegal votes end up being discovered especially on states where those in power don't want illegal votes to be discovered?
#10 | Posted by BellRinger

What solution do you propose that wouldn't disenfranchise far more voters?

Which is a bigger problem for democracy the limited (very limited) voter fraud or massive voter suppression?

Remember when the Fox News idiots lost their collective minds over Obama slightly bowing his head in reso?

I do

Someone needs to put up a big ass billboard where ever Piggy goes that says

"Yo, Piggy, no matter what you do your legacy will be humiliation. Every tacky gold decoration, every monument, every renamed American historical monument, every ballroom or arch will be torn down and sowed with salt the minute your ---- filled diaper covered ass leaves office

Your legacy will be the 2 (or more) impeachments, the insurrection, the felony convictions, the rape affirmed by jury, a nation that despises you.

Now ---- off and die"

What is piggy going to do about the 28 US bases destroyed in the middle east?

So if it really could have been done from the start, why wasn't it?
I think it took a real leader willing to push for it and get it done.

#4 | Posted by BillJohnson

Is it really needed though?

Anything the Iran war has taught us, or should have taught us, is that the nature of war has radically changed.

What good are bases in Greenland against this new warfare?

But keep building those billion dollar patriot and thaad missiles that are useless.

If piggy wants to protect our northern border, how come he isn't doing anything about Russia?

Only Piggy would brag about getting something he could have had without resorting to threats.

An agreement at the barrel of a gun is no agreement

When the president and the justices of the Supreme Court are corrupt and taking bribes and the SC finds the president is above the law, what is the ------- point

An organization with rampant pedophile sex scandals hidden by it's leaders preaching about responsiblity
Too

FARKING
FUNNY

All the more reason to not develop fiscal policy based on the interpretation of a bronze era philosopher.

I mean it is undeniable that he would not have understood stuff like mental health, generational poverty, food insecurity, lack of educational opportunities, addiction, and a whole host of other things that go into "would not"

But I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Piggy is the logical and inevitable endpoint for conservative philosophy.

that isn't even doubtful or controversial.

If your philosophy is the lifting up of the individual in a capitalist society and believes greed is good, the inevitable end point is a greedy, corrupt fascist.

Truth,
I see I shouldn't expect much introspection from you.
I'm simply interested in seeing whether anyone here is willing to examine what their own side may have contributed to the problems we're discussing.

#79 | Posted by BillJohnson a

Again, not my job and again, I do not believe that left wing policies or liberal philosophy holds a candle to the utter devastation wrought by regressives and conservatives

If you can provide a coherent argument, feel free, that ain't my job

I will allow the Dems have failed utterly at combating fox news propaganda for the past 35 years which has caused much of the destruction in faith in institutions.

I blame Obama for not seating a justice in the face of McConnell's theft

I blame dems for not being dovish enough for the past 30 years

I blame the dems for not having a backbone and confronting Piggy for the past 10 years, esp. Garland utterly failing his duty

I blame dems for not finding a story that protects trans people and throws them under the bus

I blame dems for too often siding with regressive conservative policies

But if you haven't noticed the problem dems have is that they are not strong enough, have become too complacent, have failed to keep up with the conservative movement. I don't blame that failure on the essential beliefs of the left, I blame it on cowardice and lack of imagination

I've said it before I'll say it again, the best parts of America are the result of liberal values, from the Declaration of Independence, to freeing the slaves, to universal suffrage to defeating fascism, to civil rights to the social safety net.

Every time they have been confronted by and overcome the conservatives

Same with Obama's

CSAMRUNT's child-raping hero is responsible for 30% of the national debt.

#78 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot

in 6 years and a lot of Biden's debt was from fixing the mess Piggy left him

The problem is that this is a heavily left-leaning site, and getting people to examine their own side's faults with the same honesty they demand from the other side seems to be in short supply.
Ideally, I'd like to see an honest critique from someone on the left examining what their own side has contributed, rather than just another conservative criticizing liberals.

#73 | Posted by BillJohnson

Its not my job to make your argument for you.

If you think the left is as much at fault as the right, provide examples, dissect liberal philosophy for the inherent problems it has.

And no "permissiveness" is not an answer.

"Permissiveness" is a nearly useless point.

Women's liberation can be considered part of "permissiveness" but I view that as one of the greatest things that have happened in the past 100 years

Drugs are not a result of "permissiveness". Drugs are a response to the human condition and have been around since the dawn of time.

Your argument holds no water