good point redial

At a certain developmental stage, yes. If that fetus could live outside the womb, would you still make the silly argument that "it's just a clump of cells"

#215 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Seems to me that would be a great basis for a compromise

Unfortunately magat scum like you elected -------

Talk about a poorly thought-out position.

State mandated rape will be the least of the problems when fetal personhood is made the law of the land.

Oh well, at least we have established one thing

jeff supports rape.

The constitution disagrees with you. This is a states issue. States have the right to regulate who gets killed and who doesn't.

#204 | Posted by lfthndthrds

So a fetus has a right to life, that is your position?

Why wouldn't it be any of my business? Because I'm not a woman, I have no voice in morality?
I'm completely fine with early term abortions and to save a mothers life. I'm also fine with ------ and rape victims having access to abortions so long as they file a police report.

#199 | Posted by lfthndthrds

That's mighty generous of you to allow women to do stuff to their bodies. also patronizing and misogynistic.

Doesn't say how it is any of your business what a woman does with her body though.

" Can you explain how it is any of your business?
#193 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2025-11-02 09:09 PM | FLAG: "
States and the federal government enact all sorts of laws regulating the medical / healthcare industry.

#198 | Posted by BellRinger

Ahhh wrong answer

Fed and state government role is to assure the practice of medicine is done by qualified professionals and setting standards for the performance of procedures and effectiveness and safety of drugs

NOT prohibiting a medically necessary and safe procedure

abortion and trans health are to my knowledge the only areas where restrictions are placed on procedures due to reasons other than safety

You realize that that position is irreconcilable with a 13-week abortion ban, right?"
No, it isn't, ----.

#190 | Posted by BellRinger at

How do you establish fetal age rape supporting ----?

oh with a TVU or IOW with rape

You can SAY it is reconcilable, but it isn't, factually it isn't

The only thing that will satisfy these people is allowing the mother to off the child from conception until the umbilical cord is cut.

#191 | Posted by lfthndthrds a

Can you explain how it is any of your business?

Twoothy,
You can quit your fake outrage about supporting women.
You support men in women's sports and men in women's spaces without their consent.

#188 | Posted by BellRinger a

When all you have are irrelevant distractions you have nothing at all

Here's a question for you.

How come you NEVER say anything about trans men in male bathrooms?

According to you those trans men are actually women and they are in men's spaces making them unsafe

I know why you never say anything about that end of hte trans issue rape supporter

Hey look jeff's sock puppet and/or ---- holster shows up right on time to defend him.

" Louisiana
Texas
Wisconsin
Mississippi "
4 states and your AI link is vague with the language. Regardless, I oppose any requirement of a TVU against the will of the mother.

#184 | Posted by BellRinger

You realize that that position is irreconcilable with a 13-week abortion ban, right?

You understand that, right?

You can either restrict abortions to 13 weeks

OR

You can require the coercive invasion of a woman's body to obtain an abortion

You CANNOT parse that

So you have moved on to the distraction phase, baffle em with irrelevant --------

We have yet to experience the full damage of chevron being overturned and Iran will likely have a bomb in a year or 2, but that is completely and utterly irrelevant

----

Answer the question

So either you change your entire philosophy vis a vis abortions
OR
You support rape
Which will it be?
Answer the question

" I already did ----"
No you didn't. You copied and pasted without attribution. That is plagiarism.

#179 | Posted by BellRinger a

LOL

that's funny

Google plagiarized first with their AI

but here ----, deny away

He can't articulate his position on abortion with any nuance whatsoever.
It's because that language is not permitted into his right wing bubble.

#177 | Posted by snoofy

It is simpler than that, his position is just poorly thought out

He wants to restrict all abortions (because he, like most pro-life freaks, hates women)

But he realizes that is truly barbaric.

So, in order to assuage his cognitive dissonance, he grants that women should be allowed to get an abortion in first trimester- he is unwittingly bestowing on women a privilege, not that he is capable of enough self-reflection to realize that.

He simply hasn't thought through all of the ramifications of his position.

He knows he is supposed to be against rape, but his position requires rape as I have established.

He simple cannot acknowledge any of the reality of 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions and why they are necessary.

Because he hates women too much

A woman who is 8 weeks pregnant goes to a family planning physician's office seeking an abortion

the state says you can get one, but you have to establish the age of the fetus before you can have one

Physician attempts to determine fetal size via abdominal ultrasound and is unable to confirm age of fetus

the physician is now forced to tell the woman that she must permit the insertion of a foreign object into her vagina (which is then waved around inside of her) if she wishes an abortion

The woman, already in a difficult and stressful situation is coerced to permit the insertion of the foreign object into her vagina to receive the medical care she seeks.

Coercing someone to inserting a foreign object into their sexual organ is rape

Jeff supports rape

[Abdominal] Ultrasounds are performed ON the abdomen.
#159 | Posted by BellRinger

yes captain obvious

what happens when that is insufficient to satisfy the state's statutory requirements to obtain an abortion?

jeff is now going to attempt to point out that the laws do not specifically specify a TVU

even though a TVU is often the only way to meet the statutory requirements.

Cause jeff is a ----

Now, the fact that women have to have a foreign object inserted into them against their will to receive medical care, which is rape.
Does that impact your support of restrictions on abortions?
Keep in mind that your whole 13-week abortion support fails, because that would have to be established, via rape.
So either you change your entire philosophy vis a vis abortions
OR
You support rape
Which will it be?

Answer the question

I already did ----

States that have laws requiring an ultrasound before an abortion, where a transvaginal ultrasound may be the only medically practical way to comply in the first trimester, include (but are not limited to):
Florida
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Ohio
Texas
Wisconsin
These laws often mandate that the clinician perform an ultrasound and sometimes require the patient to be offered the opportunity to view the image or listen to the fetal heartbeat, or in some cases, the clinician must describe the image to the patient.
The type of ultrasound (transabdominal vs. transvaginal) needed depends on the stage of pregnancy. In the first trimester, a transvaginal ultrasound is often necessary to determine gestational age accurately and meet the specific criteria outlined in some state laws.

You're too much of a ---- to acknowledge you were wrong

cause you're a ----

good for you ---- that isn't what we're talking about

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

--- off troll ---- if you can't figure it out

Now I predict an 80% likelihood of jeff no longer responding.

Sad how predictable you are jeff

Pathetic

Now, the fact that women have to have a foreign object inserted into them against their will to receive medical care, which is rape.

Does that impact your support of restrictions on abortions?

Keep in mind that your whole 13-week abortion support fails, because that would have to be established, via rape.

So either you change your entire philosophy vis a vis abortions
OR

You support rape

Which will it be?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

States that have laws requiring an ultrasound before an abortion, where a transvaginal ultrasound may be the only medically practical way to comply in the first trimester, include (but are not limited to):
Florida
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Ohio
Texas
Wisconsin
These laws often mandate that the clinician perform an ultrasound and sometimes require the patient to be offered the opportunity to view the image or listen to the fetal heartbeat, or in some cases, the clinician must describe the image to the patient.
The type of ultrasound (transabdominal vs. transvaginal) needed depends on the stage of pregnancy. In the first trimester, a transvaginal ultrasound is often necessary to determine gestational age accurately and meet the specific criteria outlined in some state laws.

LOL

Did I or did I not predict Jeff's 159 with my 156

LOL

TOO FARKING PREDICTABLE