This is exactly what I've been worried about for a while now. When I saw who was getting on the election committees. I didn't realize there were so many already in place. Wow.

I get you holding Zed and others that aren't Trumpers to a higher standard.
I hold myself to a higher standard, though you may disagree.
With so much on the line I won't bother finding fault with those that have serious doubts about what happened.

I've already said that I thought Trump was injured as the result of an assassination attempt.
I've gone back on forth on whether it was the bullet itself, or shrapnel. To me it doesn't matter whether it was a bullet or shrapnel from a bullet.

But the craziest conspiracy theories you've heard on here are being echoed in Congress today at the hearing with the Secret Service.
The GOP was accusing our Secret Service and the FBI of planning this assassination attempt on Trump.
They were saying Biden ordered it.

When you're measuring two sides on which is the craziest you have one side that's mild and not in power and posts here on the DR and has legitimate reasons for not believing the WWE Hall of Famer, and one side that's insane, in power, wants MORE power, lies, berates, bullies and has put in people in place that have control over election certification. People that have already stopped certification in some elections. THAT is why I believe Trump when he says "I don't need your votes." I digress...

I felt horrible for the two men before Congress being berated by total ------- Republicans, Cruise and Hawley in particular. They aren't human, or they have absolutely no soul.

#37 - Great example, Danforth. He lies about what he definitely knows about (we have too much video of him on this subject and at Heritage), so why lie? It serves him - and his followers. They don't need the truth, they just need their leader to say something so they can all pretend (or internalize it). They do this so much that when someone else confronts them with the truth they say "everyone lies" or "I have examples that say you're wrong."

This way the only "truth" that matters is what they "feel" - and that's how authoritarians equalize and neutralize the truth, leaving the poplace to choose who they "like" more or who they believe will help them. After all, they are both the same at this point. Without any objective truth in play, they fall back on believing the lies. Especially if they play to their prejudices, their base emotions.

Truthiness over truth.

I won't speculate on what he intends to do.......but I place zero correlation on what he says he is going to do and what he is actually going to do.

I directly hold him to his words on specific things, such as appointing judges, overturning Roe V Wade, gutting regulations, doing away with the DOE, Putting DOJ and the FBI directly under his control, and weaponizing the US Government against his perceived enemies.

All you have to do is see what he's done in the past, his behavior, his actions, what he sees as threats, and what he needs to do to consolidate power. Then match the words he says that fits that and that will determine if what he's saying is "true."

He lies in furtherance of the above. He constantly lies. He does it so the truth and lies are equal, that there's no value. You can't tell which is which because the flood of lies and misinformation are constant. This is a very old trick with authoritarians and fascists. It is spelled out throughout history.

maybe calm down enough to start properly using English.

You got confused over a simple question I asked in #5.
If you wanted to ask me what you finally did in #17 you would have received an entirely different response from that in #15.

are you asking that?

I said 'I wonder if people ask "why is he saying that? How could that work?"'

So no. I'm not asking. I already know.

Lots of blood, and they haven't learned a thing.

I take Trump "seriously, not literally"...
I believe he's serious about his intentions to do away with our Constitution, to be a dictator like all those he adores. I take him seriously when he says over and over again and again that he doesn't need anyone's vote.

I wonder if people ask "why is he saying that? How could that work?"

#21 - Exactly. You can't call out the 14th and pretend you can divide up what it says. If you don't repeal the 14th's birthright citizenship, you can't apply just the protections of it. The entire thing is stupid. And as I said, once you do that then we have to investigate where that union of the sperm and egg happened.

These people are morons.

"We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to children before birth."

The 14th states that if you're born here, you're a US citizen.
The RNC wants to confer the protections of the 14th onto the fetus, just like a child that was born here.
You think they can do that without conferring citizenship.
That takes a rewriting of the 14th, or SCOTUS reinterpreting the 14th.
That's why the RNC says they support another amendment. This is just talk. A positioning. A stand.

The point being that the GOP already did this without needing another amendment by using SCOTUS.
Like they did with the 2nd.
Like they did with Roe V Wade.

The point I've made just isn't that complicated.

#19 - Just like Murdoch's doing to his kids.
SUCESSION.

The mortality rate in deep red counties in red states was 6 times higher than deep blue counties in blue states.

Fourteenth Amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

If they want to hold that the Fourteenth Amendment is applied to children and to the unborn, then a fetus is granted citizenship under the 14th, not just for being born here, but for being conceived on US soil.

If they want to apply only part of the 14th to the unborn, then they have to modify the 14th. You can't do that except by SCOTUS or another amendment (which they said they want to do).

If they want to get rid of birthright citizenship as specified in the 14th AND protect the fetus using the same amendment, then they have a problem. As I said that would require SCOTUS finding that the parents have, as Trump said no "legal status." Which then sets up a conundrum of "is the fetus, conceived in the US, granted legal status, or is the "illegal status" conferred to the fetus?

Clarifying that would require another amendment and a sympathetic SCOTUS.

SCOTUS could split this by using the "AND" and declaring that the parents, or just the mother are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" because, as Trump said they have no "legal status" but hold the fetus is protected under the laws and jurisdiction, but not the parents. That would be another right-wing religious activist MESS.

And then you have the issue of "Well the father is a US Citizen and the mother is undocumented."

The entire thing is utterly ridiculous to me and seriously messed up, legally, morally, and logically. It's insane to me.

That's all I was pointing out. But hey, you got a chuckle out of me posting the RNC's plank, so there's that.

I've argued the same here before.
Just to be clear, I've always believed that is what our Constitution says.
That is why I said what I said.
I am consistent.

I don't make this stuff up. There's no need for me to do that. I just quote what the GOP says, what they put in print.
I did tell you where to look for it:

The Fifth Amendment: Protecting Human Life

The Constitution's guarantee that no one can "be deprived of life, liberty or property" deliberately echoes the Declaration of Independence's proclamation that "all" are "endowed by their Creator" with the inalienable right to life. Accordingly, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to children before birth.

It's good to see the media finally focusing on this, after, for the most part, giving the fat orange pedo a pass while highlighting every missed step by POTUS.

This is the problem with our media. Now that the media doesn't smell blood in the Democratic ocean they've noticed there's plenty in the Republican sea. Not only with Trump, but with Vance. Hoo boy. Gifts that keep on giving.

This media need for mayhem is also why, despite my loving Joe Biden as a President and still believing that if he would have been GREAT as a President in a second term, he was a liability as a candidate. Took me a while to get there, though.

All the news from the Democratic ocean is all good news so far. Stunning fund raising - breaking all records, incredible volunteering rates.

As long as the press keeps focusing on what actually matters we may have a Republic left after this next election.

So you trolling and got called on it, and now you're projecting your own character deficiencies on me.
Got it.
Have a good day.

$200 million in a week.
Volunteers coming in from all walks of life.
And you have outdated, meaningless blather.

"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

#88 - thank you.
His strategy is what must be defeated.

I'm so sick of this America-hating douchebag and his followers.
I'm so tired of him/them constantly attacking our Constitution, or Republic, our rights.
I despise him, specifically, for fondling and kissing our flag like it's someone's teenage daughter.
There is so much more they plan than just ending birthright citizenship. So much more.

Let me put it to Eberly and Sentinel a different way, then.
What's the Eberly/Sentinel approved way to discuss, on a blog, the horrendous plans to overthrow our system of government? The plans that are reinforced daily by Trump's own words?

I am open to effective suggestions.

Also I'm kind of surprised you two think this anonymous forum has that much power.

watch the damn clip!

Yeah, good luck with that. Eberly needs it paraphrased so it comes out the way he wants it to be. He needs the full context explained to him, which is what you (Gunslinger) did in #61. Apparently Eberly hasn't been paying attention for the past 8 years.

In his defense he did say he's not voting for Trump, and I believe he's said he's going to vote for Harris. So this is more an argument in cementing in a disbelief that anyone would be able to overthrow our democratic republic the way Trump has said he would. Repeatedly.

But everyone else? We're all children. Everyone but Eberly, or Trump supporters (of which there are none on this thread - for odd some reason /s).

#26 - All that is true, IMHO.

The bandage is gone, there's not a hint of any injury, and there's no evidence he was actually hit by anything. He could have been injured in the take down. This is why you get an actual doctor to look at you when you think you've been shot. This is why you release medical records. This is why you test for residue. This is why a full analysis and report should be done.

If you don't then you might just get called a lying sack of shht, AGAIN. He's already known to be the biggest lying sack of shht we have ever seen.